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The right-wing in this country is waging a war against women and, let me be very clear, it is not a war that we are going to allow them to win. But if they do want political warfare, we must expand the field of battle, and we must be on the offensive.

Let us wage a moral and political war against the billionaires and corporate leaders, on Wall Street and elsewhere, whose policies and greed are destroying the middle class of America. Let us wage a moral and political war against the gross wealth and income inequality in America, the worst in the industrialized world, which is tearing this country and our economy apart.

Let us wage a moral and political war against a dysfunctional health care system and fight for a Medicare for all single-payer system. Let us wage a moral and political war against war itself, so that we can cut military spending and use that money for human needs.

Finally, let us understand that when we stand together, we will always win. When men and women stand together for justice, we win. When blacks, whites and Hispanics stand together for justice, we win. When straights and gays stand together for justice, we win. When young and old stand together for justice, we win. When working families stand together, we win. - Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.)
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I'm tired of this "War against blank" thing. I will not take any statement seriously if it claims there's a war on anything. Wars on things that aren't other militaries don't work. Sorry.
And you talk about the Robthepublicans being divisive.
Bernnie, every time I start to think you are one of the good guys you come up with some "Oren Boyle" type rhetoric like this. Don't be a looter! Could it be possible that Govt subsidies and bailouts are a major cause of economic equality? Reinstate Glass/Steagall, break up too big to fails, and make businesses responsible for their investments again. Central planing is corruption! Give it back to the free market.
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What a joke. A political party is not "waging war on women".

And you wonder why people are so sick of bull-crap politics.

Why does everything have to revolve around getting elected to office (and maybe more so, the attempts to ensure that the opposition doesn't get elected).

Absolutely ridiculous.
It's about damn time for progressivism to go on offense rather than constantly hoping against hope Americans will see the light through the 13 layers of wool covering their eyes.
Anyone who doesn't think the Republicans are waging a war on women must have their heads up some orifice.
a war on women? thats what its about...? i dont get it...maybe its b/c they cant find another thing to talk about...even though there are many...the president cant cure all the ills...
Politicians will say anything to make one another look bad. Always's just gotten downright ridiculous in the past few years.

Saw a political ad the other day that said something about "Being a woman shouldn't be considered a pre-existing condition".

That's quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Historians tell us never to fight a war on many fronts, what we miss in the meaning is, a many front war is not limited to physical battles, but in economics, jobs, health and even politics and parties. I don't believe we need to evolve more to understand this, we just need to bring more empathy and compassion into our lives. Sort of relax our survival mode, if you know what I mean.
Now, it is still not the Thai air hot it is because of our European convert to all things natural, and it changed quite sympathetic to the rivalry just does not matter (to wear in the spiritual animal. the base of the heart that God created them to be at the San Tan said it was the home of our own that it was a cool thing exists.
to me, its all about agreeing on the big picture...sure there's lot of things to reference or to Americans...what should we focus on? should we leave the economy up to the federal government...should we leave it to the banks and other global companies?
Cody - have you not been paying attention to what has been going on or is it that being a man, it doesn't affect you? Do a Google search on the "war on women" and look for yourself - sounds like to me you'll still deny it. 
I don't see what the government has to do with it. Government coverage sucks. If you want good coverage you have to go private or deal with government. If it weren't for government and health insurance becoming an industry this wouldn't be a problem. There is no "war on women". There is a war on all citizens by the thieves in Washington on both sides of the aisle. I am not sure if I am going to vote third party, against all incumbents regardless of party, or a mixture of both, but if you think the Democrats are any better than the Republicans, you have much to learn. Fight the good fight!
+Arlene B - I pay plenty of attention to the news, and unfortunately some of the political garbage that comes with it.

I'm married to a woman, and my mother just so happens to be one as well. (Imagine that, right?) If I felt there was a "war on women", it would mean that my wife, mother, and every other woman who means anything to me were under attack; the fact that I'm a man has nothing to do with it. It doesn't make me immune to the effects of [fictitious] attacks on the opposite sex.

When I asked you to elaborate, it was so that I might gain a better understanding of your view on the proposed "war on women", because I've done my research and obviously disagree with you and the original poster.

If, however, you choose not to back up your opinion with anything other than a sexist jab and a request that I "Do a Google search", then forget I asked.
I'm against anything the federal government does outside of its constitutional duties. I don't care if it's named Feed the Starving Babies program. It is not the purview of the federal government!
+Pat Gunn : It is NOT. The federal government's power is very specific. It's the states power that is broad. It's called the 10th amendment.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Right, and if you read the Constitution, there's quite a lot covered, much of it quite broad. If you follow constitutional scholarship, you can understand how the reasoning goes for our current government. Or you could pretend to understand all on your own.
+Cody Mac : Fair warning. I am a liberty lover, but I am also an atheist. I find that many in my liberty circle are christians and many in my atheist circle are liberal. I get along with most, but just wanted to let you know.
+Pat Gunn The only broad pronouncement in the constitution is the ability to make laws pursuant to the enumerated powers therein. If I am wrong on this, please point me to the correct text. Thanks.
Fair enough. It is not your beliefs that decide your fate in my Circles, but the manner in which you state them while respecting others (and the content of your posts, of course).
+Alan Bombria Follow the constitutional scholars. Neither of us are legal scholars, and they're the best equipped to explain it.
The misconception is that the Federal Govt. can't do anything that's not specified in the Constitution. The 10th amendment reserves powers for the states and the people, but doesn't specifically limit them for the Federal Govt.
The point of the constitution is exactly to limit the power of the government, both state and federal.
+Alan Bombria Again, check with the scholars before you try to interpret law.
I don't trust a word from anyone in DC that is looking for a vote. Its all a ploy too tear Americans apart.
A ploy to tear us apart? Since when were we together? I've travelled around the country a fair bit, and there is a lot of difference between the politics of different areas.
I'm also against anything the feds do outside their constitutional charge. I think the difference of opinion between myself and +Alan Bombria on how far that charge extends may have arisen from me considering the 14th amendment part of the document rather than cutting it off selectively at the 10th?
+Pat Gunn These people will say anything to get a vote.

War? Really a war? Is the term war really needed? Or is it a term used to scare people. I might not agree with my neighbor or the guy in down the road but to use the term war is BS.
The GOP is more a threat to progressive ideals than is libertarianism, SOLELY because the latter shall always marginalize itself by appealing most strongly to an extremist minority notable for overidealism and superficial consideration of practical realities. Marginalized until the most severe fanatics among them decide to blow stuff up, of course...fortune save us if even their most moderate come to power.
+Steven D It is hyperbole, meant to point out the very significant shift away from rights women have had for decades that will happen unless this trend towards radical social conservativism is fought.
I don't even consider it hyperbole... orchestrated culture war is still war, just as the cold war was still a war though never was a gunshot fired betweenst the principals
Keith...don't use the word orchestrated...this has nothing to do with playing music.

If politicized topics are ostensibly attacked over semantic word is a pretty safe assumption that the speaker doing so is really more in disagreement at a fundamental -- but perhaps less socially justifiable -- core level. The semantic attack a weak surrogate for bearing out courage of convictions, where openly doing so would stand one apart unacceptably from the recipient audience.
Since Obama's election, republicans have stonewalled any and all legislation to fix the financial crisis of their own making, and have unfailingly found themselves a news camera to criticize the administration for not doing enough on the economy, joblessness, and so on.

Since taking control of the House and several state legislatures in 2010, those same republicans have been launching unprecedented levels of regressive, theocratic legislation targeting women's health, minority voting rights, same sex unions, and a hundred other issues that have absolutely nothing to do with the fiscal conservative stumping that propelled them into power.

Now when Bernie Sanders rightly calls them out on it as an election year issue that clearly distinguishes the actual legislative actions between parties, this is labeled "anything for a vote" tactics?

"People deserve the government they get, and they deserve to get it good and hard."
~ Timothy Moultrie
Agree in all regards...except the morons often drag the rest of us down with them, whether we deserve it or not.
Yeah it's like trying to paddleboat into the future with the anchor from a yacht tied on--The S.S. Koch
Cody...the term "war" on___ is only a simple way of stating the different political views. By entangling the views in the term "war" it amplifies the effort it takes to WIN. Bernie assumes we have heard the political discord and we have feelings/beliefs...and he is stating his. say there is NOT a GOP effort to retrograde women, youths, minorities, poor, blue collar workers, middle class, seniors, Medicare Social Security or any thing not "In the Christian Belief" while demanding tax cut for the corpulent rich is to say you do not care about facts and you won't let truth stand in your way.
The one FACT that you must face is "they" have been fighting against Obama for 4 and 1/2 years...not working as a government for the people...but working to distort, blame and lie to defeat him in 2012 or to get themselves elected. The tea folks have forced a lock step. Fox puppets repeat the propaganda...Have you ever seen such evil in government?
This is not the GOP my folks or their folks supported. This is not the GOP my wife supported. This is not the GOP my in-laws supported...nor my sisters, my ants, my daughter. This is not the GOP I respected...once upon a time...
I'd also like to know when taking an oath to Grover Norquist became more important than the oath to defend the constitution from all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC. There is some definite war imagery in that oath as well.

I would encourage anyone who is goofy enough to equate "war" terminology with actual political violence to take a step back, lest we have a real or imagined repeat of Tucson. However the notion that offensive political action is actively being waged in general upon the middle class and in targeted fashion on women, minorities, and workers, whatever you want to call it, is pretty self-evident at this point. Something needs to be done about it, and so far playing defense and letting republicans drive the debate hasn't been working. It's time to go on offense.

I only wish progressives would someday decide to mix offense and defense as part of a generalized communication strategy, rather than only switching gears and standing up for themselves once every 4 years.
Strolls in nonchalantly, Hangs hat and coat up

Seems that I have arrived late to the party.
Been slow...we may be wearing down the usual suspects a bit.
What I find interesting is that Republicans don’t want to government to pay for birth control, but they have no issue with it covering Viagra. Interesting double standard, don't you think?
They need help getting it up...pills...deviant paraphilia in thought and is tough when personality disorder manifests in psychosexual dysfunction ;)
Also quite telling with regard to the likely state of bedroom performance emanating from the average republican congressman.

Or airport bathroom as the case may be...
+Alan Bombria, Perchance are you a Constitutional Scholar by trade? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you aren't.
Your constant mention of one line of the constitution, while completely ignoring the rest is truly impressive. You do understand that no one has changed the document, right? It is a governments job to protect it's people from harm, internally or externally. Medical care falls under that bracket. And before you get all "SOCIALISM!!!!" about it, here's a fact for you.

"The Pledge of Allegiance of the United States is an expression of loyalty to the federal flag and the republic of the United States of America, originally composed by Christian Socialist Francis Bellamy (1855-1931) in 1892 and formally adopted by Congress as the pledge in 1942."

And I'll softball what christian socialist means for you
"Christian socialism is a socialist ideology that regards capitalism as a faith or ideology to be rooted in the mortal sin of avarice and claim it is a form of mammon worship.[1] Christian socialists identify the cause of inequality to be associated with greed that they associate with capitalism.[1]"
Oh just an aside, +Alan Bombria, if you really think that the government shouldn't provide services, here's some things that you should really never do.

1. Do not use Medicare.
2. Do not use Social Security
3. Do not become a member of the US military, who are paid with tax dollars.
4. Do not ask the National Guard to help you after a disaster.
5. Do not call 911 when you get hurt.
6. Do not call the police to stop intruders in your home.
7. Do not summon the fire department to save your burning home.
8. Do not drive on any paved road, highway, and interstate or drive on any bridge.
9. Do not use public restrooms.
10. Do not send your kids to public schools.
11. Do not put your trash out for city garbage collectors.
12. Do not live in areas with clean air.
13. Do not drink clean water.
14. Do not visit National Parks.
15. Do not visit public museums, zoos, and monuments.
16. Do not eat or use FDA inspected food and medicines.
17. Do not bring your kids to public playgrounds.
18. Do not walk or run on sidewalks.
19. Do not use public recreational facilities such as basketball and tennis courts.
20. Do not seek shelter facilities or food in soup kitchens when you are homeless and hungry.
21. Do not apply for educational or job training assistance when you lose your job.
22. Do not apply for food stamps when you can’t feed your children.
23. Do not use the judiciary system for any reason.
24. Do not ask for an attorney when you are arrested and do not ask for one to be assigned to you by the court.
If Christians would bother to take what Jesus actually said as their raison d'être rather than the completely opposite reinterpretations of it pushed by corporate shills in cloth and Fox News (but I repeat myself), they'd all be Christian socialists...
+Steven D, What war you ask, well haven't you heard? Oh No? Well that is quite absurd! It's the newest thing, it's quite the smash, there's no guns involved, because it's all about class.

Class warfare!
Jaunty Show tune Style

I'm writing show tunes to make points now
That's how little I think you have to offer.
Show tunes for Clown shoes.
+Matt Rodgers I swear if one more person mentions the 10th amendment I'm going to just start posting the full text of the 14th in every single thread as a starter.
Wow. Maybe the Zyrtec is making me loopy, but that was enjoyable.

+Keith Childers Honestly, I don't disagree. As Jon Stewart pointed out: "Conservatives read the constitution like Christians read the bible"
Half the idiots we go to town with on here think they are still fighting the civil war.
Except the people who actually fought in the Civil War for the south were many times over more educated and a lot more intellectually honest about what they were fighting for.
Well, it was all about state rights. Wait...state rights is another term for slavery, right?
What do you expect after 250 years of inbreeding and indoctrination.
It was about more than slavery, but yeah to hear a revisionist talk slavery wasn't even happening and it was all about the North just one day deciding "hey we want that cotton".
A black family had a better chance of staying together back then, from what I've heard,
You don't want to know what I've heard...
If you live in or near the south, I can only imagine.
Just like modern libertarianism, state rights advocates had some cogent philosophical and legal arguments about how the republic had swung too far from federalism. The disputed outcome of Lincoln's election only served to convince the last remaining members of the southern gentry who had more to lose from a war than to gain that their days were numbered, as the trend toward centralization was at this point unstoppable.

But also like libertarianism, the principles and the actual beliefs and actions of its advocates rarely reconcile. Look at the people who support Ron Paul. To hear him completely destroy the other GOP candidates in a debate on very good policy positions, you'd think his supporters must be a cut above the average rightbot, yeah? No. They're the survivalist gun nuts that hate government and they'll happily ignore Paul's stance on gay rights if they think there will be no government to stop them from shooting all the gays they want.

It was pretty much the same with the south; despite all the high minded political theory getting thrown around, the real motivation for fighting in the minds of the people actually doing the fighting was twofold:

1. protect the southern aristocracy from the northern aristocracy cutting in on its action
2. keep the black folk in line, and per #1 protect the "property" ownership rights of the aristocracy

Go figure, an entire lower caste of southern men being put out on the front lines to get mowed down in defense of an aristocracy that had made most of its money exploiting an even lower caste of human beings. Oh and those lower beings... they also got to count as 3/5 of a person for electoral purposes, and their votes went automatically to the aristocrat. What does this remind me of? Hmmm...
Senator Sanders, I admire you so much for your courage and taking the fight to The Man. Thank you for your service to our country.
So +Matt Rodgers +Pat Gunn +Keith Childers Is this war like the war on drugs or the war on poverty? Both are failed "wars".
I also love how people like to group everyone from the south in the same basket. I hate to break it to you but not everyone thinks that way.

Please give me more insight on this war against women.
Bernie is a liberal moron that, like any other liberal moron, will say anything and pick any battle to further his own political agenda. The "war on women" is just the flavor of the day. I hope that the women that read this are smart enough to see it for what is is.
Bernie may be a liberal moron in your books but at least he has the guts to speak up for the people`s rights unlike the conservative morons who just do as the rich say like a herd of sheep!
+Steven D just turn the news on. You are telling me that the attacks on planned parenthood, laws requiring anti abortion counseling and ultrasounds for women considering abortion, a refusal to consider birth control a medical health issue, or telling women who were raped that they can't consider abortion while at the same time removing anyone sort of social support system for children isn't something you've noticed? I find that hard to believe.
+Alexa mark the problem is that we are not, as you say, in this together. There is no middle ground here. Either you have a desire to see the steps that have been made reversed or you will fight to maintain the advances made in society. I don't even partake In what you refer to as the media. What the issue becomes then is that those who do have become nothing more than shills for the elites and honestly believe the things they say against all rational reasoning. This country needs to be fought for, not simply let's hope for the best. We've tried that, and look where it had gotten us.
+Matt Rodgers I never watch the news. If these are the issues your claiming, then this "war" has been going on since I was a kid. This is another endless "war" because the US is split on this. It will always be split. If people want this and they vote for it in the state they live in there is nothing that we can do change that.

I personalty think people should have the freedom to do as they choose with their lives, but I would never call it a war.
Unless we can get the people involved in their country again and vote, the country will never belong to the people again,Don`t just bitch about what our corupt government is doing to us(both parties are in my belief) Get up and take our country back from to big to fail and put it back in the hands of the rightful owners!
+Steven D So this is a linguistic issue for you? What would you prefer to call it? A debate colored by sexist, recidivist, hateful rhetoric?
That's what would be considered propaganda. Propaganda is a tool of war.
So, right back where we started then.
Look +Alexa mark I don't disagree with you. I truly believe that the rational discussion with these people is impossible. All they know is to scream talking points at others without looking for the facts. They don't want facts, facts would require them to rethink their opinion, something that would obviously pain them to no end.
+Craig Brunetti I agree, what say do you have over a uterus unless you have one? None. This is simply a religion fueled attempt to control women and gain the votes of southern fundamentalist "christians"
+Alexa mark We have tried. The left leaning individuals in this country have, time and time again, relied on the hope that the intellect inherent within their views will triumph over uninformed propagandist control. It has undoubtedly failed though, as you can see. Intellect cannot defeat emotional manipulation. They rely on Freudian methods to effect the subconscious of the masses, as first put into practice by Edward Bernay. You should check out his book "propaganda" if you doubt what you are up against.
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Alexa listen to what he's saying. Conversations only work when both sides are seeking a conversation. When someone is reading aloud from a talking points memo he is not inviting conversation.
I refuse to extend an olive branch to anyone defending a republican party that won electorally by trumpeting "jobs, jobs, jobs" as its platform, then proceeded to barrage the public with "values" legislation having nothing to do with said platform.

Culture war is war. The casualties are liberty, prosperity and human dignity.
Scientific fact and historical truth are not talking points...

As Matt said, there is no middle ground between objective truth and those denying it.
No one is defending Democrats Alexa. Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat. I am not a Democrat. I shower Democrats with equal disdain when they advance regressive measures like SOPA. I'm not a partisan drone. I'm a progressive, and aside from a very small minority of Democrats Bernie is my only representative.

I honestly don't care who wins as long as the liberneoconpublican loses. Conservatives have more than half the legislature and the courts. They have too much power for the % of the population they represent and they need to be removed for the good of the entire society, inclusive of those they have duped into voting against their interests.
Right, I'm a socialist +Alexa mark but as I said earlier this week, I refuse to stand idily by while those who would destroy freedom yell down those who want to save it. Yes, this is a better of two evils situation. I don't doubt that at all. I would rather have a centrist president and congress them a far right one. You want to know how to fix it? Facts, and a refusal to be intimidated by those who refuse to accept them. Do not take them seriously, and mock their idiocy as they have mocked those who hope for sanity. Only by fighting back against them can we regain what this country used to be. Otherwise we will continue to be overwhelmed, as we have been within the national conversation.
It's simple really. Fight fire with facts.
You're kidding, but the majority of people who think that way are dead serious...
And if facts become too much of a problem for you, there's an easy solution. Tear down education entirely by defunding it, or rewrite the history books as Texas has.

I am obviously on the side of education and educators. Should republicans one day take up that banner you'll see me here supporting them over any party that does not. Until then, yes, you'll see me eviscerating them for the sheer hypocrisy in making sure generations of their progeny are guaranteed an ivy league education but denying affordable community college or even effective secondary schooling to everyone else, and moreover attempting to vilify educated people as less American than the uneducated masses that keep them in office.
These "conversations" are anything BUT right leaning thinkers appearing in the spirit of intelligent discourse. Save for the very rare exception, these are hostile indoctrinated drones of far right and/or libertarian extremes, who arrive solely to spout ill-formed soundbites, from an unsophisticated understanding thereof, for the express purpose of shouting down the prospect of rational discussion.

At least one has been bold and stupid enough to proudly admit that very purpose many times..."as long as I am able to harass you crooked, commie, socialist, Kenyan libtards..." amalgamated across a variety of separate hostile quips...can you guess the progenitor of that conceptual gem?
I have seen some decent, sincere back and forth between people with subtle differences in opinion or base assumptions, but it pales in comparison to the volume of equine excrement that regularly requires vigorous shoveling.
That's just a side effect of debating someone who knows his position is logically indefensible. When you eventually ask the question that exposes the fundamental flaw, you can expect silence, diversion or hostility.

You'll know you're talking to the real deal when you do get a response that is not one of these three. That's the person worth having a conversation with.

You're doing the right things; keep it up.
For all this talk of having a conversation instead of sticking to talking points, this post by Bernie Sanders doesn't invite conversation. It's just heated and divisive rhetoric. I feel for him, because I realize how irrational the Republican party is nowadays, but escalating the Us Vs. Them sentiment isn't really productive except for fundraising.
I disagree. This is what progressivism switching from defense to offense looks like. The other side is all offense, all spin, all the time. They don't worry about divisive rhetoric, but are quick to throw that notion back in the face of any progressive who stands up for his values rather than just rolling his eyes and giving hypocrisy and idiocy free passes. Those free passes add up. It's time we started taking some back.
Honest and direct can be shouted over...sometimes the unreasonable must be met in kind....a conciliatory attitude and a soft voice, when addressing a fanatic, is akin to choosing the way of pain!
If intellectual honesty and earnest beliefs were enough...we wouldn't have so many rabidly ignorant dupes behaving and voting against their own best economic interests.
The honesty is what I am attempting to bring, +Alexa mark. And +Keith Childers has it exactly correct. This is just what it looks like when the rational minority refuses to remain silent anymore. Like I said before +Alexa mark, I don't disagree with you. I just think that that at this point in time, we must push back to a semi-rational place before conversation is even possible.
The opponents you find here are not interested in honesty. When confronted softly they disappear when they have no response...but their payload of poison has already been delivered...and they expect to return another day on another point and be greeted softly again (former invalid points yet unanswered), the better to dump a different load of garbage to detract and deflect from intelligent discourse.

My purpose is to confront them a bit more brutally...willing to risk dilluting my own credibility in the eyes of some, if only to diminish slightly the trolls' expectations of another soft welcome or likelihood of a rewarding return visit.
The funny part +Anthony DeTommasi, is that it seems to be working. I've noticed a diminishing number within the threads....or maybe that's just my magical liberal thinking.
If anyone lost out what was once coming to you(incured injury,physical,monetary,property)in the future or your past right['s] were infringed or impeded due to a lie of official capacity, sue tort then turn it into civil action agianst US (if official colored in law as of the US)For declatory relief when they say no repeal false statments general in title 28 and amend it to say" if a person colored under law and in official scope, diligant as any reasonable and in they're scope of employment by the US, KNOWINGLY AND WILLINGLY makes a false statment to an intended public audiance in any manner of communication, shall be held subject to an officer of the US punishment's". Our strife would decrease 40% in 5 years and. Depending on rightous and wicked repeals and civil litigation's in 10. More years following our leadership in onnovation will come back, and our hustling american arses can continue to enable the world to grow.
Praise GOD. ###ttt

1) Is it wrong that in a sick little way, I hope I did?

2) And as to that comment into between. What?
That is the new rage...non-sequitur spam-alation...with a mandatory side order of gawwwd thrown in for good measure!
I thought the debate had today over free market fantasies, was at least civil and had some thought involved...even if overidealized, impracticable and demonstrative of willful blindness to the actual real world effects being proposed. It is really only the angry nonsense and raw insulting quips that I look to discourage. If people want to debate differing politics, that is certainly a proper use of the forum.
David G
Bernie, how about let's stop waging war in the middle east?  
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