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Jeff Van Gundy: Tanking kill credibility

The former NBA coach sounds off on teams tanking for entire seasons:

Teams tank. Not just the last 10 games. Now they’re tanking seasons. What happened to Michael Jordan [owner of the 7-53 Charlotte Bobcats]? This was the most competitive player during my time in the NBA. Dominant. Now he has an abomination of a team.

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I hate any idea that includes financial part to them as it means the rich teams can tank and get the best players and the poor teams have to stay bad as they have to fight for money! It seems to me (as a Jazz fan) being able to put positionally protect traded draft picks seems to be more of an issue then anything else! Warriors have such a huge reason to tank. Don't get under the 8th pick or they lose it! Not difference of a few places. Its have it or don't!

English Soccer's promotion/relegation system is the only real protection against tanking!

We have the same issue of proception of tanking here in Australia will our Aussie Rules league. It is a bit different here as a) no Lottery b) We have had a system were you can get an extra pick for being consistently bad c) Even if there was no draft reward, it still makes sense to tank (being send players for surgery early, play kids, get rid of veterns that are going to win you your next title).

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Tanking is awful. It not only renders the regular season useless but completely removes a fan's desire to attend a game. Also, I'm still not convinced that, from a financial perspective, tanking is more lucrative in the long run.
 
+Kaäre Wagner Ask the Spurs if getting Duncan was lucrative (not saying they tanked but shows the power of the number 1 pick). Ask the Magic if Shaq/Penny was Lucrative (and Howard). Bulls Rose, Clippers Blake! Cavs Lebron! I think the is value in tanking financially!
 
+Phillip Malone You've really only illustrated that getting the #1 pick is lucrative, which does not necessarily mean that tanking is lucrative. Sure you get a higher percentage chance at that #1 pick, but it's still only a chance. I mean come on, the year Chicago got Derrick Rose they were only the 9th worst team - no tanking required at all.

I think a lot of what people perceive as tanking to get the pick is really just ignoring the reality that there really is not much to play for if you are a team that has been eliminated from play off contention 4,6,8 weeks before the regular season ends. Why would anyone not expect team's to take a nose dive at this point even without the lottery? In a similar case of ignoring reality as far as the Bobcats cited in the article, news flash guys they aren't tanking, they really are that bad and Michael Jordan is an awful GM. People should not just continue to let him off the hook by acting like it's some kind of master plan where they are tanking the season to get more draft picks.

Where I do think tanking is clearly lucrative is if you are in a situation like Golden State where you have traded away a protected pick (assuming that you aren't going to need it) and now have to get under a certain threshold in the draft to be able to enact that protection. This is pretty easily fixed by banning the trading of 'protected' picks.
 
Oh yeah as far as Jeff's comment about devaluing the regular season, the league de-valued it when they decided coming out of the lockout to value quantity over quality when they released the schedule for the shortened season.
 
+Phillip Malone Provided those teams actually tanked to get those players, as opposed to got lucky in the lottery, you make a decent point. But again, great examples but not inclusive of everyone else jockeying for a high draft pick. What about the teams that tank only to end up with a 4th, 5th, 6th pick in a mediocre draft? What if you tanked to end up drafting Adam Morrison or Keith Van Horn (#2 pick behind... Tim Duncan)? I think it's financially lucrative if everything lines up beautifully, but rarely does.

But what if, like this year's Phoenix Suns, you put up a fight and keep the fans' interest? What if you can sell that many more tickets and that much more merchandise and don't alienate your fan base? Tanking might not be as lucrative as you think...
 
I'll tell you the only way to fix tanking is to hit the teams that do it in the pocket. The fans that go to games are the ones that get really screwed. You pay the same price for admission you do the first week of the season and you do the last week except when your team tanks you are paying the same prices to see all the scrubs play. I know it happens to good teams too as they clinch spots they rest guys too like the Celtics did but you aren't going to stop it and the fans still are paying top dollar to go to these games. When teams do this any fan walking into building with a ticket already purchased should get 50% money back and all tickets should be on sale for %50 off. The commissioner fining a team still won't help the fan, the fan still is stuck paying top dollar to see scrubs play or selling their ticket at a fraction of the cost to not go and see the scrubs. If you didn't have 15 million dollar a year player then you wouldn't have $250 $500 $1000 ticket prices. Its an absolute crime when you pay that and you are seeing Avery Bradley and company instead of Ray Allen Garnett Pierce and Rondo. The players should be held accountable too. Again if they aren't getting hit hard in the pocket though they won't care. I truly find it amazing that athletes have guaranteed contracts. I'm not even getting into the fact of the crazy baseball 10 year deals. Even on a one year deal even in pro football if you make the roster you contract is guaranteed for that year why??? I know you put your body on the line and an injury can happen and not be your fault but guess what if you weren't an athlete you wouldn't be in the position to be making all the millions. My job doesn't even give sicks days. The boss's feeling is you are too sick to work you are too sick to get paid. He rather give you an extra week of vacation then a weeks work of sick days. So if you get hurt and you can't go to work you go on disability and collect a fraction of what you make regularly. Why shouldn't athletes be like this too hey you get hurt or you don't want to play in a game to rest for playoffs or you want to tank a game you don't get paid for missing the games. That will stop a lot of players from being missing games. These athletes could never live in the real world.
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