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Oh America. You lose a few people, another few injured from a bomb, and it trends on G+. International headlines are written about this. War takes so many, every single day. Disease and starvation that could be cured at the cost of the deaths that we cause, run rampant around the globe. If only you'd start caring about the rest of the world, as much as your self.
... and my dear Americans this is what the People in Baghdad experienced on almost a daily Basis for the last TEN YEARS! #PrayForBoston
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+Jason Jones Well that's a feeling many have about many things, reasonable or not. Look through history and you'll see eschatologists perpetually thinking that the end is near... right back to Matthew 16:28 and earlier.

The talk covers how often we killed our own prehistorically, and covers some of the wars of our early civilization. It compares these deaths to the second world war, which pales beside our previous nature.
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Motion: The human race should voluntarily go extinct.

I'm arguing in the affirmative. My primary argument is that breeding can be seen as the cause of all trolly car dilemmas. Having children creates a life that may be enjoyable, but may also be a horrible experience. Meanwhile not having a child does not propose this ethical problem, nor is it generally unethical to abstain from reproduction.

My lesser argument is one of how humanity chooses to end. Unless we appeal to transhumanism (which I'll address if it comes up), humanity will die off. In general, nature does not care about how we die. None of the major common doomsday scenarios look like they would prevent suffering. Meanwhile, a concerted effort behind population reduction would be a comparatively peaceful end.

I'm going to pre-empt a common argument here, as I find it wastes time. When I say this, people tell me that the unwilling will simply continue to breed. Notice that in the very motion, there is no indication that this debate is about implementation. If this debate goes well, I may post one on implementation methods.
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What is our societal obligation to those living in poverty? Are we sociopaths, when it comes to being aware of the suffering of most other people on this planet?

I have few conclusions on this subject. My overall conclusion thus far, is that humanity is generally a horrible species. If it were our own family starving, we would take immediate action. When it happens on the other side of the world, we tend to simply indulge in the luxury provided by our cultural exploitation. I see little difference on a local scale in poorer nations, from a global scale.

I have any number of follow-up questions that I'd like to write, but I'd like to leave this thread fairly open. However, there is one thing I don't want to discuss in this specific thread...

For this debate I am introducing a single axiom: religion and spirituality are empty concepts.

I am distinctly not posting this thread as an invitation for superstitious conjecture about ethics. Religion is the constant derailing topic on this forum, and it gets enough attention.
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+Thalida Noel gives a good argument for why you can do a lot more good if you invest abroad. gives you some very trustworthy and efficient charities, and the research to let you know all about them and what they do. So you can know where your money is going, who it's given to, and what's being done with it - if you care to look. Your distrust of the big charities is fair enough, they aren't very efficient, though that doesn't effect your obligation to give to the better ones.
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Religion  - 
This is a continuation from a derailing started here:

The post that started it, by Cosette Holmes (I can't + him, unfortunately) read:
It depends on who you're talking about. It's difficult to group all faiths together into "religion"; I am a Christian, and I do not think that God calls us to war against other religions, if you are speaking of the crusades or something. Actually, Christ tells us to have compassion on people. When Jesus came, He did not kill every one that disagreed with Him; He explained the way to heaven to them. Accept the way of salvation. God loves you. Believe on Christ's saving power; it will fulfill that God-given empty spot in you. visit here:

My response was:

+Cosette Holmes Why would you think that there was ever a man named Jesus who performed miracles? If it's the bible, why do you believe what it has to say?

And now I await his response.
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God Question debate time everyone. Where is your evidence for a god? Why do you consider it good evidence? Does the method lead to a god specifically, or simply to any thought up idea that is capable of  explaining everything?

If you think it's personal experience alone, don't bother posting. I've addressed this issue numerous times on other threads, and I am satisfied that it is an empty claim
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+Dan Thering +Amber Thut +David Coulter  Thank you all for the great discussion! I appreciate you sharing holes and flaws you perceive in my writings. I would like to share an updated and restructured response to the original questions for your considerations. If you would prefer to comment more inline, here is the link to the Google Doc ->

Which God is being verified?
I will be supporting evidence for God, defined as the person being the pinnacle of living, as the person who is always wanting to be, as well as being, and sharing the means to freely be perfectly patient and kind, even in the face of unjust cruelty, for the experience of limitless happiness with unbreakable peace.

What is the evidence for God?
1a. All lives have needs, and freer forms of life have wants.
1b. When a life doesn’t get what it needs, the life is dying, which is opposite of living, and therefore, the pinnacle of living must include getting everything one needs.
1c. When a life gets what it needs, it experiences contentment, and when a life gets what it wants, it experiences pleasure.
1d. An act which causes contentment through the fulfillment of needs in challenging times is termed patience, and an act which causes pleasure through the fulfillment of a want is termed kindness. 
1e. Therefore, the pinnacle of living, no matter the kind of life or the location of the life in or out of the universe, is to have all of one’s needs and wants fulfilled.
1f. Therefore, the life which is getting everything it needs and wants is God because there is nothing greater in life.
2a. The only way for a human to have all of his/her needs and wants fulfilled is to always want to be, as well as be, perfectly patient and kind, even in the in the face of unjust cruelty, to the point of death.
2b. Jesus Christ is the first and only to demonstrate the way for humans to the pinnacle of living, when He wanted to be, as well as was being, perfectly patient and kind, even in the face of unjust cruelty, to the point of death. This was when He embraced unjust crucifixion.
2c. Therefore, Jesus is God because He is the person who is always wanting to be, as well as being, and sharing the means to freely be perfectly patient and kind, even in the face of unjust cruelty, for the the experience of limitless happiness with unbreakable peace.

Why is this “good” evidence?
1. This is “good” evidence because it is accurate, observable, and testable.
2. This is also “good” evidence because it leads followers to experience the greatest amount of happiness with the greatest amount of peace.

Does this method lead to a specific God?
Yes. This method specifically leads to Jesus Christ: The Holy Trinity: 3 distinct persons that are the same person.
The First Person: The person who is always being this without beginning and without end.
The Second Person: The person, who although is always being this without beginning or end, this person is assumed by another person to act outside of this being.
The Third Person: The person who begins being this at a particular instance and then never ends.

Is this method capable of explaining everything?
No. This method is not capable of explaining everything, however it is capable of explaining the means to achieve the experience of limitless happiness with unbreakable peace for an unlimited amount of persons.
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It's that time again... Why is the claim of a, "personal spiritual experience" good enough to justify belief in any major religion?

Dana Thornhill, you use this response all the time. Can you justify it?
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+Dan Thering u can call me lazy, but there's a lot of anger in this forum (quite understandably, its religion after all) and in these posts. Quite frankly, I read almost half of the stuff and not have my answer and found myself wasting time, to be honest. Hence, the question.

+Ryan Graham interesting, that is very interesting...I understand what you are saying, however, logically, that is not a valid conclusion (from science pov). What you are doing is allowing some confounding. Our brain lights up when we feel emotions or are having a spiritual experience, vice versa. I understand that. What you have proven is that you can create a spiritual experience...

That's like observing when someone is naturally happy, they jump. Now I make this person jump by throwing him a party, I now conclude that the person must not be happy since I have created it authentically.

I do agree that spiritual experience does not automatically mean the existence of God. However, it can suggest it though. I believe.

if I see someone holding an umbrella, it COULD mean its raining. And if I say, its raining, coz someone is holding up an umbrella. While this statement is flawed, it does not follow the opposite is true - it must not be raining.

I don't know if I have explained this very well. But I did my best.
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Could one of the anti-choice sorts please explain what on earth this trial has to do with outlawing all abortion? Wouldn't we just be creating more guys like this, and worse?
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Yeah, I can see now how you might get that impression from my comment. Apologies for the ambiguity. 

I was more agreeing that the trial isn't about outlawing abortion, but about whether abortions are done in back room dungeons. The pro-baby murder people want it done in the open (which is also an unacceptable outcome for me).

The anti-baby murder people want to outlaw it period. Just like you don't make rape legal because it happens anyways. 
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Chefs Talking Shop  - 
So I'm hauling along in my new adventures into the industry. I'm on day 3 of working at a retirement home kitchen. I have access to basic ingredients, and I can do sort of slaw based salads with my own interpretation. I'm considering doing my own mayonnaise from scratch, if time allows. The problem I'm facing is keeping the thing from breaking for the time it'll be held. What's the best common stabilizer for this sort of thing?
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He is right it's a 1 day hold and remember the old and new borns are the easiest to get sick. Not a good idea. And no stabilizers needed its a permanent emulsion. And only for a day just make sure it's whipped enough. 
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Hi everyone,

I'm a foodie just starting in the industry. I picked up a job with a friend doing dish washing and prep at a retirement home. I'm finding the work easier than I had anticipated, and I'm glad to be finally following my long-time dream of working in the food industry.

I'm mainly here to learn how to progress my career. My current plan is to rack up some experience, and head to culinary school in a couple of years. I'd ideally like to get to the point where my experience allows me to find jobs easily, so that I can use my profession to travel around a little.
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+Chris Szelagiewicz It's not the most challenging place, but I'll take what I can get. I'm not in the best of situations with my life right now, and I'm glad to learn what I can from where I am. I'm promised 27 hours, but already being handed 40. Once I'm back in decent physical condition, and I have decent hours on my resume, I can push for better. How bad does it look to leave a stable job in this industry?

+Phở Shizzlê PEI I'm fine with all 50 of the items; nothing significant is new to me. So long as the rest of my life isn't spent working 12am to 12pm, I'll be fine. Graveyard shift turns me into an asshole.

I realize that a kitchen is what most people call hard work, but I've done far worse. My last job in the stone industry saw a freshly immigrated Somalian quit due to the level of danger, and exertion... along with 90% of other new employees in the first week. I can't afford to work for free right now, but that will change in the following months.
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I have been given 1.5oz of preserved black Perigord truffle. I know what it tastes like, I know how to use the salts, but this is my first time with the real thing. What should I do with it? I'm trying to avoid pasta, and pair it to a protein.
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I posted this back in March 11th about an Aquaculture company here in FL raising Beluga for caviar and restocking efforts.
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Abortion debate: Is it ethical to have an abortion, once pregnant? If only under some circumstances, which ones?

I am of the opinion that life begins at conception, but not all human life deserves the right of personhood. Much as tissue cultures for skin grafts don't have rights, I think that anything without the capacity for active awareness should not have rights. If anyone cares to get into the neurology side of this, I am happy to discuss neurological fetal development. As a side note, I am willing to be cogent; certain animals deserve the rights of personhood.
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+Amber Petchey yea... I know... you used to be the first Amber on the list that popped up for me. Stupid learned behaviors.

I agree as I've done the reading before; possible to save at 24 weeks. Shit outlook, but possible.
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For anyone who likes to debate with theists, I'm finding quite a number over here:

We get tons of them flooding in every day, trying to challenge everything from evolution to logic. The arguments you'll hear definitely fall into the range of, 'exotic' most of the time.

Despite the group size, it's only maybe a dozen of us who represent atheism regularly. I think we deserve a bigger voice in the major debate group for G+.

And for full disclosure, I am in no way a representative of this group.
Urgent. Global. Intelligent. Debate now.
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+Dan Thering Your (not personal rather group) expectation that your viewpoints be heard while not allowing others to have theirs on the same is what I have an issue with. Ofcourse if you would rather not have them on you 'property', why share its contents publicly? keep the community closed where non conforming others do not come across it. banning people simply smacks of double standards. :)
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