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Last time grilling out before winter comes.
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I could use some help resolving some of the arguments I have selected from a larger article written by one of my friends who calls himself a secular humanist. If you could give me some advice that would be greatly appreciated. I have already dealt with him about the problem of evil being reconciled due to God giving man a will free to choose God or sin. But since then he has added the idea that God must be evil since he will when we get to heaven be created without a free will but only able to choose him and therefore heaven would not be heaven but something that God should of created in the first place rather than creating a hell and an earth when he should of just started out with heaven... 
Here are some select points from the article: 
 
1.There are two possibilities: either there is sin in heaven or there isn’t. 

2. If there is no sin in heaven, do the people there have free will or do they not?

3.But if heaven is a desirable goal, those who make this argument must also claim that free will is a bad thing, or at least that the lack of free will is a desirable condition. However, this would violate the key teaching of theism, embodied in the free will defense, which states that God gave us free will because he wants us to choose him of our own accord, not have our love programmed into us like machines. Despite that, the ultimate reward now becomes the loss of our free will and transformation into mindless robots for god? 

4.Why not just throw out free will entirely and begin with Heaven, and not have to create a Hell at all? 

5.It seems, therefore, that a heaven with both free will and sin is unsatisfactory, and a heaven without either free will or sin is also unsatisfactory. 

The final option – that there is free will, but no sin, in heaven – is the most interesting, and the most potentially dangerous for christianity. 
6. Why didn’t god create us with this kind of free will in the first place and thus not have to create a hell at all? No believer has ever been able to square that circle. Assuming heaven exists, there are only four options to choose from: 1)There is both sin and free will in heaven. 2)There is sin but no free will in heaven. 3)There is free will but no sin in heaven. 4)There is neither free will nor sin in heaven.

7.This dilemma strikes at the very heart of belief – a god who would create evil, or create a world where evil is inevitable, despite having the option to do otherwise, would itself be evil, simply stated. If god would have originally created us with the sort of free will that excludes evil altogether, then no one at all would have ended up in hell. However, if god did not do this, and instead created us in a way that allows for the possibility – or the certainty – of sin, thus necessitating the creation of a hell and ensuring that countless billions of humans would be doomed to an eternity of punishment there, then the only conclusion is that he wants at least some people to go to hell. If god deliberately chose this poor option when a better one existed, then he is evil, and such a god would not be worthy or deserving of worship even if it existed.

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check out a map of our hopeful destination for our upcoming mission trip to Micronesia. 

I so wish... more people were on Google+

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I might try this sometime.
Need an inexpensive lapel mic? Cut the earbuds off of an Apple headset and buy a clip. Rode also makes a great recording app for the iPhone.
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I still love watching old cop shows and watching them run to a car and picking up the phone and talking like they were cool because they had a "car phone."
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