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Bart Brenner
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I have completed Claims Extraction Templates for 1850-1920 US Census
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Claims Extraction Templates for 1910 & 1920 US Census
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In extracting claims from US Census records, I encountered the columns for "Born during the Prior Year" (1870 census) and "Born within the Census Year" (1880 census).   Is the "prior year" the 12 months prior to the 1 June 1870 enumeration date?  Is the "census year" the months in 1880 prior to the 1 June 1880 enumeration date?  Or do they both mean the same thing?  (What?)  I have looked at the instructions to enumerators for both years and did not find answers to my questions.  How do you read those terms.  It makes a difference in how I state the Claims.
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+Bart Brenner - Me either. Those are the two entries I will use IF I see them. I have looked at several Census records with those entries,but each were blank / empty. I thought I had one for the school question, but he wasn't in school yet, according to the Census Record.

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I am working with a downloaded image copy of a Mahoning County, Ohio, register of birth records for 1876. This includes the birth of Bell Brenner (daughter of John Brenner & Kate Welk) on 1 January 1876. The deposition of the Assessor prefaces the birth registrations: "I Wm Barclay, assesser [sic] of 5th Ward Youngstown City in said County, do solemnly swear that I have made diligent inquiry in every family in said Ward, & that the following is a full and correct report of Births for the year ending March 31st 1876." The birth registrations were entered into the Probate Court Birth Records book on 29 May 1876. I have no way of knowing what "diligent inquiry in every family" means.  I do know that 15 birth records for 1876 were recorded on page 108f.  Only two of these listed "by whom reported."  Bell Brenner's information was reported by her father, John Brenner.

Questions:  (1) Since this is the first written record of Bell Brenner's birth (albeit, almost 5 months later) is it an original source?  OR  (2) is it a derived source (clerk's copy) because it is the collected work of the Assessor over a period of time?  (3) Since the informant was Bell's father, is the information primary?  OR  (4) is it secondary information because we are dealing with the Assessor's information as entered into the record book (probably by the Clerk of Courts)?  (5) If the information provided is secondary, is the inclusion of John Brenner as the informant primary information?
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IMHO, I'd be inclined to say that it is an original record, in that it is not derived from another record.  Actually, it's a copy of an original record, but that goes to quality of the record.

I believe that the information is primary, in that the father, who supposedly had first-hand knowledge of the birth, reported it.  While the father may not have actually entered the information into the record, that is true of much "primary" information.  For instance, the date of birth given in a church baptismal record, when the parents are the informants, is still considered primary, even though the reverend, priest, or church clerk may have actually made the entry.
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I am facing somewhat of a dilemma as I categorize the information in claims for all US Census records prior to 1940.  Since the informant is not known, is the information in all the claims to be categorized as "indeterminable?"  Is it logical to assume that -- for a family with head of household, wife, and minor children -- either the head or wife is the informant?  If so, then information about the children would be categorized as "primary."  Of course, we don't know for sure that either the head or the wife was the informant. What about families with older children (teens or adults)?  If one of the older children was the informant, then the information is classified as "secondary."  What about individuals who are enumerated as the only member of the household? Is is possible that someone else was the informant?  How have you categorized the information in claims from US Census records prior to 1940?
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ok so the informant is known on the 1940 census 

"Informant.-Write an X with a circle around it, ®, after the 
name of the I?erson in each household who furnishes the information. If the mformation is obtained from a person who is not a 
member of the household, write the name of this person in the lefthand opposite the entries for the household, thus: "Information from John Brown, neighbor."

http://www.census.gov/history/pdf/1940abridged.pdf
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A fuller list of Claim Types (after comparing with RootsMagic, Legacy,, The Master Genealogist, Gramps, Family Historian, and Family Tree Maker)
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Thank you, Bart for a very useful list.
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The discussion on Claims Extraction Templates has put me to work.  I've been developing templates for the US Census (1850 - 1940).  Here is my work on the 1930 Census.
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+Bart Brenner Yup, I found the newer link and it worked fine. Thank you.

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I've been entering Claims for 1870 and 1880 US Census records for my gg-grandparents.  My gg-grandmother, Sarah Cole could not read (column 22 was checked).  That claim was easy: “Sarah Cole could not read.”  Column 23 (“cannot write”) was unchecked for Sarah.  Both columns were unchecked for her husband, G Washington Cole.  How would you enter a claim for that information (that is, the unchecked boxes)?  Here's what I have done:  “(negative) Sarah Cole can read (box not checked)”  and “(negative) G Washington Cole can read and write (boxes not checked).”  The first parenthetical insertion (negative) is to alert me later on when analyzing the claim as evidence.  The second parenthetical insertion (box not checked) clarifies the nature of the claim.  I suppose that the information on the census form actually claims that Sarah Cole cannot “not read,” but that is a little too pedantic for me.
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+Bart Brenner

If I were to deal with your question, and I may have a chance later, is to look at the Enumerators Instructions for those two columns. (the Census website has those instructions)

I think that I would enter "The <sources> claims that Sara Cole was not able to write", another Claim "... was not able to read" and for G Washington Cole was able to read, and another claim that he was able to write.

BUT, I haven't looked at those instructions for those two questions.

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I am a retired Presbyterian Minister who loves to fly fish. I've been "toying" with family history for over 30 years. I was infected with the genealogy virus in 2007 and genealogy is now cutting into my time for fly fishing. My long-term goal is to help my grandchildren understand that, while they are stardust, they have solid roots.

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    Philosophy, 1958 - 1962
  • Princeton Theological Seminary
    Old Testaent, 1962 - 1966
  • Ecumenical Theological Seminary
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