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Small things really do matter sometimes - and whilst this is only a name change (for now) it really dispels any potential for confusion over what the tool does.
The question of how best to present and enable software and system updates to users of Linux has resulted in different distributions doing things their own way. The Ubuntu-based Chinese distro Linux D...
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I don't know, it could cause a riot like changing the name of USC from "Ubuntu Software Centre" to "Ubuntu Software Center" :-)
It is interesting how even the smallest change associated with your brand can cause so much confusion and questions. Interesting point though you may not have actually intended to make it the point of this particular post!
I read the spec and it sounds like the new Software Updater will have only one window at any given time, unlike the current Update Manager which seems to open a new progress window in front of the "main" window whenever it does something, which is an annoyance in case you want to move the Update Manager somewhere else on the screen, for example. This is the change I am most looking forward to.

As for the new name, I could personally care less what they decide to call it, though I guess the new name is a bit better than the old one in that it is more explicit as to what the utility does. Additionally, an "updater" would probably sound less scary and difficult-to-use to a non-techie than a "manager" would.
The word "updater" feels wrong and clunky, but I don't know why. It doesn't feel like a real English word. (my phone even autocorrects it to updated)
I think "updater" is a word, but honestly it sounds like something George W. Bush would have come up with.
Really... keep your political ideologies to yourself. I do not want to start a flame war over this, so I will not comment again to any replies.
I think Ubuntu Breaker is a better name.
No one mentioned a political ideology...getting back on track for the humor-impaired...

I haven't had an update to Ubuntu break my system in a lot of years, +Brian Crowder . I know back when I first started getting into linux around 2006 it happened from time to time, but I guess I assumed that wasn't much of an issue. Are you saying I should be worried? :)
+Alan Pope Oxford Dictionaries don't even accept it... Also, (thinking in the localisation) in other languages the equivalent is accepted, but only in linguistics. Software Updates would be a proper name, in my honest opinion.
+R. Scott Kimsey I'm an Ubuntu noob so take this for what it's worth but my pc has broken twice in two weeks (once to 12.04 and the other doing a routine update) after updating using it. Judging from forums people seem to blame Update Manager especially when doing version updates. I think I have a graphics driver issue that I've spent a lot of time on. I'm hoping it's fixed for good now.
+Brian Crowder That's good to know. My current laptop is about four years old, so maybe the older hardware is less prone to breaking. I'm going to be upgrading soon, so I will keep that in mind. I used to simply not update in many instances, so long as everything was working fine as it was. I've never tried updating to new versions of the OS, having read about troubles people have with that.
+Ubuntu In The Wild Yes. Or for both :) My daughter has been using Linux since she was 11, and she's definitely not tech oriented. She's never had any problems with any of the Linux distros I've used (though she hated Crunchbang, which I love, because she hated Openbox). I think it is all a matter of what people are familiar with. Using Linux is no more difficult than any other OS in my view. It's just that if you already know one, like Windows, then of course that is going to be easier at first.
I don't really think the Name is (was) the Problem, It as always about as to how Ubuntu wants to approach the whole Problem of Emphasize Software/Application/System Updates to the User in a non-distracting way and a name change is a nice approach in general, but doesn't fix the main problem, the whole time Linux Communities tried to solve "How do we explain Software Packages?" while we really should be solving "Do people even care how it works?" and "How do users expect to update these days?"
why bother with this sort of things. concentrate on resolving the real issues that are crippling linux in general - POWER REGRESSION and OVER HEATING problems.... i get close to 8hrs battery life from win7 and a POOR 2.5hrs max on ANY linux distro ...
+Brian Crowder did you report the bugs? I've had issues with updates causing issues but "Breaking" the system would be a reach.
+tolga erok Kernel developers don't usually have pictures to show during development. I've never had that much of a difference in battery life between Windows and Linux...Could be something with the hardware in your particular laptop.
As long as this was not the result of a 3 hour bikeshedding meeting.
+Benjamin Flanagin I had the same problem this morning (thought it was fixed), power on but black screen and nothing else. I unplug power and take out battery then replace and it works fine. It does it intermittently. From the amount of things I've seen online in Ubuntu forums I'm sure they are aware of it. What is the formal way to report this?
+Brian Crowder is a good place to start it will require you to setup a login account, but if you use ubuntuone then you already have one. or conversely once you signup on launchpad you have an ubuntuone username and password. You could also try its more QA than bug reporting but someone may have a work around that isn't "official"

Benjamin Flanagin I totally disagree. I get the same poor battery performance on any laptop I install linux on. Battery performance is far superior on win os.
ehh cant see the problem only for ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, never use the thing any way or the software center ( bloated thing it it ) give me terminal and apt-get distro-upgrade anyday
+tolga erok If you are using laptops with two graphic chipsets (the intel and the nvidia one) this is likely to happen. It happened with my Alienware M11x, and I fixed it very quickly with Bumblebee for Linux (Google it :). Sometimes it happens with certain hardware incompatibility, but at least Ubuntu is much closer from working out of the box with most of the computers nowadays.

How much did it took the last time you installed windows and all the drivers it needs? (in my case drivers are needed even for the ethernet chipset...) Linux and Ubuntu developers are doing a pretty good job, I hope someday to join them =D
i can see where your coming from in regards to linux working out of the box opposed to windows taking ages to install and reinstall everything (drivers to updates) but when you have programs like driverGenuis you can back up your drivers into one autoinstaller and it takes literally less then 2 mins to reinstall your all of your drivers and then reboot. also with a program called Autopatcher, you can also reinstall all of the security updates and patches within 15 mins without the need of going online.
my argument isnt about windows being superior to linux or vis versa its just that alot of attention is concentrated on apps and visual correction instead of really fixing core issues (power and heat regressions).
lately, benchmark tests are showing that windows is starting to catch up and overtake linux by 40-60% . heck, open source drivers for intel based chipsets and gpu's are showing to be less superior and underutilized opposed to proprietary intel drivers.
Hi all, still relatively new to Ubuntu so excuse the novice in me. My girlfriend got me a silvercrest graphics tablets the other day, was just wondering if there was drivers or anything i need to use it because i only see the Wacom graphics tablets being mentioned??? Many thanks
+Aaron Delaney I would suggest plugging it in and seeing what happens. If it works great if not I'm sure something can be done about it
+tolga erok I agree with you on most of the points you make and commend you on defusing the Linux Vs Windows flame war that happens so often. And I get your frustration, but the point I failed to make earlier is this. Ubuntu has teams of developers but not all of them know how to develop the kernel. There is a world of difference between Apps and the underlining OS they run on, not everyone is equip to do one or the others job. But the bigger point is this, When someone programs or designs an application or in this case a reworking of an existing application there can be allot of "news" about it, because each step of the way the developer can show us the progress. Kernel development is a different beast and no single individual or even a group of individuals can add or subtract from it without allot of upstream consideration. +Ubuntu is great and they have been paving the way to a larger Linux adoption not because of kernel development prowess, but by application development. Does it suck that the ebb and flow of driver development puts Linux behind Microsoft, yes but sooner rather than later Linux will thrust ahead just as they always do and everything will be as is was or better. One only has to give it time.
+1 totally agree with you

but as "giving it time".. linux has been in the game for over the last 20 years....
Power regression has only been in the kernel for the last year and a half. I've been using Linux for 16 years....these issues are resolved in due time. Though to be fair laptop power consumption is low on the list for most large linux development groups. Which is admittedly a shame.
oic. but surely the kernel devs arnt THAT B L I N D to note that were heading towards the 22nd century and almost every corner of the world is soaked into the mobility world, may it be netbooks, laptops and or some smart device

I can say with confidence that the majority of tech users are or have started to peel away from the use of desktop environments ... yes indeed, extremely shameful and NO doubt this makes OTHER OS's more attractive in the consumer world other then linux
Define consumer. Consumer is concept that varies so much by the context you take it into action, yet people try to apply that to operating systems, especially Linux. Not everything is as people like Gates and Jobs envisioned it in their speeches. A consumer needs depends on the field taken under consideration, hence I could need a laptop now, in an office a desktop would be better, and right on field I could use the latest "quad-core" phone/tablet.

Now, for every need there is a product, and being a little realist here, it's not always possible to rule every person's needs. That's why competence exists, and it's the base of producing and consuming.

If you don't like something, move on into the next thing. Or even better, in the world of Linux being open-source as it is, join the community and help by developing and/or giving feedback. But please, there is no need for trashing other's work.
ps. I've been told that there's plenty of battery life inside a Razr MAXX [an Android/Linux cellphone], you could try that out ;)
trashing others work is far, far, far from my point of view, infact i take my hat off to those involved.

and i wish i could give back to the community even though i am a member to many open source forums, but REALISTICALLY (unfortunately ;-) ) have to work for a living and am unable to devote directly to the community in my spare time so no doubt i stand corrected there. although i heartily appreciate the hard work carried out by the voluntary dev's for their awesome OS's - the most noted FLAW in linux is the overheating and extreme power consumption that just simply bring the show to a stop and makes curious potential users re-lift their eye brow's back towards other, reliable paid for OS's.
+tolga erok blind no, near sighted maybe. Linux is still strongest in the enterprise. Its installed on servers ,graphic workstations, or dumb terminals. Thus the focus is found there. As for not looking toward the future, linux for arm doesn't suffer from the power regression that intel/amd laptops do. Since arm processors are fast becoming the dominant processor, thanks to the smartphone and tablet market, where linux is still far ahead of the competition.
+tolga erok sorry for the sudden second post ,but have you tried the suggestion about the issue on phoronix. I can post it later if google fails you, but in summary they suggest forcing power management on the pci express devices. This is turned off on most laptops due to the features limited testing. I turned on the feature on my laptop awhile back but forgot I had this may help your battery issues to some degree.
the power regression may have been patched but power consumption is still too much. I don’t like that… linux in general is great....
+Benjamin Flanagin thanks for the suggestions. i have tried every possible combination into the grub before a selected linux distro boots up, but neither one of them made a difference - ESPECIALLY with devices with a nvidia , ATi or hybrid gpu. i could conclude for myself that possibly linux is ideal or perhaps more suited on laptops/netbooks with dedicated intel gpu's (no nvidia or ATi) as ive noted that battery life last significaNTLY SO much longer !!! ... which imho limits linux grounds for flexibility in the mobility world
+Lixhjideny Mendez thanks, installed on mint13 and ubuntu 1204 and boy, it has made a big difference on my heat issues & alittle better battery performance. my laptop has dropped from 60+ degrees to a cool windows level temperatures like 40+ degrees. this has made a huge notable difference all round
The same thing happened to me, this is a life saver! The problem with the heat was that the discrete graphics card was always on. This program is the switch that Window's Nvidia drivers have. Glad your problem got solved too!
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