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Since 2008, controversial changes to state election laws have spread across the nation to restrict voter registration drives, scale back early voting periods or stop people from registering to vote on Election Day. Opponents say the new laws discriminate against minority voters.
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Yup, because opposition to 'legal voting' is more important than investigating things like SWAT'ing, voter intimidation, and Fast & Furious.
 
TOP DOJ OFFICIALS WERE OBAMA BUNDLERS WITH WALL STREET TIES
Attorney General Eric Holder: formerly of Covington & Burling law firm, in 2008 Holder himself represented big banks such as UBS and MBNA Bank. Holder was Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign co-chairman and raised $50,000 for the president’s campaign.

Associate Attorney General Thomas Perrelli: a managing partner at Jenner and Block law firm, whose clients include Merrill Lynch, Perrelli stepped down from his number-three position at DOJ in March. A former member of Obama’s National Campaign Finance Committee, Perrelli bundled$500,000 in campaign contributions.

Deputy Associate Attorney General Karol Mason: Karol Mason of Alston & Bird previously chaired the firm’s public finance group. She also bundled $500,000 for Obama. Holder awarded her a “Distinguished Service Award” for her work at the Department of Justice. Now, after almost three years at the Department of Justice, she has returned to Alston & Bird to work on their real estate finance and capital markets group.

Associate Attorney General Tony West: West was a partner at Morrison and Foerster law firm, whose clients include MF Global, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, and Bank of America. West was also co-chairman of Obama’s campaign and, according to the San Francisco Chronicle, “was instrumental in helping the candidate raise an estimated $65 million in California.” Formerly the head of the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division, West is now number three at the DOJ and bundled$500,000 for the president’s campaign.  

Despite Holder and Obama’s “get tough” rhetoric against Wall Street, to date, there has not been a single criminal charge filed by the federal government against any top executive of the elite financial institutions.
 
I have to have an ID if I drive, if I cash a check, or if I am accepted for a job. Why don't I need one for something more important than any of the above?
 
+Adam Winkler this is correct many do not have IDs.Maybe we can find a way they can get them easily. I know I've had one since I've been sixteen and it certainly is useful. I'm an independent and I would like to see everyone have IDs who want to vote. There are three million people without ID's which is very small considering there are 300 million in the US. Since voting is a privilege similar to driving (which requires a license and ID) everyone who votes should have ID.
 
If there were way to get ID easily and inexpensively, the debate would likely be different. Here in Wisconsin, we are hearing from Republicans that ID can be obtained for free. They dont mention that it could take a Milwaukee resident without a drivers license 3+ hours on a bus (one way) to get to a DMV.

My grandmother is in a nursing home and has no drivers license. Her nearest DMV is about 20 miles away. With Medicaid cuts, coming elections will directly affect her. She can't get to a DMV so, once the new law in Wisconsin is in effect, she won't be allowed to vote.
 
+Ryan Hill you made a good point; however, I think the voter fraud far outweighs the extremely small number of people who fall into your grandmothers category. A one size fits all law may not be the answer in her case but where there's a will there's a way.
 
Voter ID should have been passed years ago...
I will not change my mind.
 
+Stephen Tatasciore can you cite any situation of overwhelming voterfaurd sweeping the nation? from every study i've seen VoterID would disenfranchise more people than are trying to vote illegally.
 
Overwhelming? What constitutes overwhelming? We all know it occurs and that's the issue.
 
Start with Acorn and work from there to Chicago, Indian and all points south.
Then 'Go west young man' 
...disenfranchise is another word for 'bullshit.
 
concerning people already having IDs, there are some states that only offer IDs at cost, others that require other forms of identification that require still OTHER forms. how many people, especially those under the poverty line, have access to their original birth cert?
 
A loser has excuses, a winner doesn't need them...
 
What difference does it make? You can't possibly make everything fair and equal. Like I said if you want to vote you'll find a way to do what it takes to get the id or whatever the requirements. There should be NO question that those voting are legally allowed to vote.
 
not think!where do you live?how old are you?i'm sorry
 
+Stephen Tatasciore Unless everyone has a free and easy access to an ID all you are essentially calling for is a new form of voting tax, which is highly unconstitutional. Even if voting fraud were a problem worth caring about, what is an ID going to do about it? Last time I checked, fake IDs aren't exactly hard to come by. Just ask any college student.

No, all this stuff about requiring an ID to vote either comes from well meaning people who haven't thought through their idea at all (sorry, you don't escape blame just because you may have a good faith worry about voter fraud), or it comes from people with the insidious agenda to disenfranchise others.

You are right about one thing, though, voting is a core aspect of our democracy, and the right to vote must be protected. That includes protection against half-baked ideas concerning voter fraud that are really just a disguise for discrimination.
 
+Stephen Tatasciore this has been studied in Wisconsin. There have been fewer cases of fraud in 10 years of elections than the number of disenfranchised voters the new law would create in a single election. It's not just my grandmother. College students can't use their student IDs. The people in Milwaukee who would have to find 6+ hours to sit on a bus. Less than 100 cases of vote fraud in 10 years, thousands of affected voters every election. I'm not opposed to going after fraud but not when it affects lawful access to the polls as the Wisconsin law does.
 
This seems to clearly be a way of pushing the numbers towards the favor of the GOP in the upcoming election. From the numbers these laws will easily hurt more lawful voters generally found within the support of Democrats than it will stop voting fraud. Which as many of you have stated is not a large issue. Now that I think about it, wouldn't the electoral college itself make those small accounts of voter fraud negligible already?
 
+Stephen Tatasciore you need too look at the facts before you can make blanket statements like this. The reason that these laws are passing have nothing to do with fraud. They started to make these bills in Republican led legislatures right after a Democrat was elected president. The question that needs to be asked BEFORE you pass this type of legislation is, what percentage of people cast fraudulent votes vs. how many legitimate voters will will lose their voice? That ratio would lose far more legitimate voters than we currently experience in fraud. If you really want a fair electoral system you should remove money/donations. Some of these superpacs with millions of dollars, that are going to influence the election, have 10's of peoples interest in mind.
 
+Stephen Tatasciore, just to corroborate +Ryan Hill 's comments, you are incorrect about the degree of voter fraud (http://bit.ly/I6bBEz). That is literally a myth. There is basically no polling place voter fraud (and the cases sited by Fox have been debunked). So, there is only one actual effect of this legislation; to disenfranchise people without government IDs.
 
Any time you require something that costs money to vote, you keep someone from having a voice.

If they offered free ids an set up stations in low income areas, then I'd be ok with it. But just expecting everyone to have their paperwork, their homes, and everything in order is just insane. Not everyone has the same ability to get a special id. 
 
A requirement for an ID to vote amounts to a tax on voters who can't afford the fees to pay for an ID. The more affluent in society do not see this as a problem because they do not live day to day or worry about how they will pay for their families next meal or rent for the week.
 
Dear Mr. Hemming,
I am sure you speak from experience, being poor is hard on the finances however, it seems your internet bill is paid. Does the name 'Acorn' ring a bell? voter fraud is well documented throughout America. Oh! I almost forgot, in this election around half the votes will be counted in 'Spain' by a company headed by a guy from guess where? Chicago, after they are counted, they will be deleted therefor making any challenge quite impossible, this cute trick was done by the obama administration without any approval from congress, no medals, no photographs, no ceremony, all done very quietly. 
Be sure to vote...
 
+Milo Rambaldi How about some actual references supporting your statement alleging an impending attempt at mass voter fraud for this upcoming election?  And actual valid references too, not just some links to some blogs that all reference each other which in turn reference some pseudo political organization's half-cocked research and newsletter.
 
Google my good man, google...
That's all the research I will do for you
...seek and ye shall find. and perhaps learn
 
If you make public allegations of that nature, it is your responsibility to support them. Otherwise, my good man, there is no point in any of us taking you seriously and for anything more than an anti-obama troll.
 
I could care less what you think!
This may be above your metal capabilities to understand however.
Hamlet Act 1, scene 3, 78–82
"To thine own self be true"
 
you can be true to yourself, but politics isn't completely about your beliefs. its also about fact and how that pertains to people who don't share your beliefs. if you want to be true to yourself that is fine and commendable. but whenyou start arguing policy with others, you have to accept that concessions and factual information will be required. 

so no, you can't just say "i think this, and if you want to know more than google it." you need to cite information, give us a link, SOMETHING that will support your argument. i mean hell, if what you're saying is true then i will back your play 100%.
 
+Milo Rambaldi  

How's that nutshell, Milo?  I suppose being a king of infinite space is better than a fool here on earth.
 
People need to take a bus three hours to get a state ID, but wouldn't have the same issue in voting?

It is a straw dog argument. The percentage is minutiae at most and those that do fit in the category need to make an effort to get an ID.
 
 
+Russ Bliss there are more polling stations in more places than there are DMVs. with recent state budget cuts across america there has been a reduction in the number of DMV offices. in my area, we had two that people had reasonable access to. one of them is now closed, and if you don't have a car it takes three buses to get to the other one, through three or for towns. 

just to get your id renewed. thats basically you taking a weekday to get there and get home. you can't go to work when you're basically on a bus for three hours one way. 

on the flipside, we ave the correct amount of polling stations in each town. some have three because of their population. it is a federal law that you not get in toruble with your rmployer if you take time off to go vote. they are open before and after normal business hours. 

in summery: the time to get from Amherst, MA to Easthampton, MA on a bus during no school schedule is probably about 3-4 hours one way, comprising 4 buses. wait time at the ONE DMV in the pioneer valley can be up to an hour and a half depending on the day. then another 3-4 hours back to Amherst. and I live in a fairly affluent and educated area.

this isn't a case of lack of effort on anyone's part. its the fact that in many areas people just don't have the time to travel 9 hours round trip to wait one or two hours to get home just to vote. and yes i said "just to vote." if we want everyone to vote, we need to make it easy for them to do so, and not call them out for "not putting in the effort." the reality is completely different from this, especially in low-income areas where they might not even HAVE a good bus system. 

in conclusion i say you're silly and your argument is silly. you big silly goose. 
 
Mr. Rimbaldi, I do not think these allegations are factually sound. If so it would be all over  the GOP propaganda machine Fox News. I guess I could still question the 2000 election stolen by George Bush his brother Jeb and the State of Florida but that would be calling our country a Banana Republic where the opposition majority is discouraged from voting through long lines in the rain, disappearing ballot boxes and faulty counting methods. Over the next 20 years that won't be a problem do to the landslide elections in favor of Hispanic voters who will be comprised of the Democratic majority. 
 
Janra - How often is a license renewed, every six years, maybe for for some states? Again, minutiae at best.
 
+Russ Bliss again, you're thinking from the perspective of someone who has no problem with this - many low income people don't have a driver's licence. why would you have one if you can't afford a car? a driver's ID isn't required to live in the USA, it just is helpful in some situations, many of which don't apply to low-income and elderly persons. if you don't drive, you need an ID. if you can't afford the fees associated with GETTING said ID, then you won't get an ID. 

as said before, the amount of reports of voter fraud is very very low. i'm not saying it doesn't happen, but requiring a state issued ID that costs money and a significant amount of time to acquire takes away is cutting off your nose to spite your face. if these IDs were easily obtainable and at the very least affordable (if not free) then i would probably change my position. but the base fact is that this will, in effect, bar many people from voting because a few bad apples got in the bunch. 

give me a better way of stopping voter fraud without these downsides and i'll be right there with you. 
 
Janra, a state issued id does not have to be a driver's license. More on point, I have driven people to get licenses and to polling stations. Funny how it is so simple for Democrats to pick up people every single year in November to vote but sure cant find their houses every six years to renew an id
 
+Russ Bliss in many states (like my own, MA) they are IDs that are issued by the DMV. i am interested where other state IDs could be issued.

i applaud your work driving people to polls and to the DMV... and i think you are special in that act. driving people around isn't according to party, its according to your good heart.

but even if all the people with good hearts tried to drive as many people to where they needed to go to get the ids, and then to vote, that still wouldn't be enough. kind people such as yourself have things to do, jobs to go to. and honestly, ablebodied, independant people shouldn't have to depend on the kindness of others to vote. they should be able to get what they need to vote without it possibly causing them to miss a rent payment.

until there is a credible study that determines there is, in fact, a noted problem with voter fraud, we shouldn't be focusing so much on draconian measures to fix a problem that isn't there. this is like making every american get an official passport so they can work legally in the US. yes, there is a problem with illegal workers, but getting a passport is tough even for those in the middle class. it just doesn't seem needed to enact voterID at this juncture.
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