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FirefoxOS is looking mighty damn impressive. I would point out the obvious "one has been around longer than the other" but, actually, I guess that's moot since Ubuntu Touch has apparently been in development for longer.

Either way, this two necking it out, along with today's Bada news, is creating much--needed ruckus in the mobile space. Regardless of which one wins the coveted '#3' spot, and which fail, we as users will ultimately benefit. 
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The 3rd and 4th are already locked down between BlackBerry and Windows Phone. Tizen and Symbain have 5 and 6 locked. Firefox and Ubuntu will end up capturing the rest of the market about 0.1%
 
+Ed Hewitt See, I don't agree that they are locked down. Maybe in the "west", and maybe for a good few years yet, but Mozilla's strategy of targeting emerging markets could see them get significant share on shipments alone. 

$100 phones with, tbf crap specs, but crap specs that run the native OS as fluid as water, will prove popular. There's even a precedent for it in the low-end Chromebooks. 

Cheap + capable will sell.
 
Nobody knows Tizen... Hundreds of millions know Firefox and Ubuntu... Its all about brand and apps... You have to have both.


 
+Benjamin Kerensa As much of an Ubuntu-ftw-yodeller I am, I'd say Firefox has Ubuntu beat on both of those for now, too.

Ubuntu is a big name, but it's not as big as Firefox in "general consumer" circles. Likewise, it's ecosystem - "the web" - gives it an insane advantage (technical specifics aside)  over virtually all other platforms. No need to invest in some SDK, or hire a QML/Java/iOS dev. Just HTML5. 
 
No one will ever know about Tizen. Its designed to allow carries to customise the OS. So Verizon or Spirit may use Tizen, customise it and rebrand. Its been invented and designed for the carriers.
 
+Joey-Elijah Sneddon true, Ubuntu is still seen as "that geek os" Firefox is accepted by the wider market. Firefox is also being realistic with its aims, Ubuntu is not.
 
+Joey-Elijah Sneddon my Ubuntu trumpet is somewhere.... I do hope Ubuntu Touch becomes real and makes deals but the approach Canonical has to marketing and product strategy has been less than lack luster. Sometimes I wish Canonical had as good of marketers, PR and business people as it does developers. 
 
Most consumers don't know what their buying. Tizen will work and carriers will love it and push it hard. Its only us geeks who knows about the skinning of android 
 
+Ed Hewitt Ubuntu will have the "lure" of being "new". It won't carry any connotations with it for most users. Firefox does (for good and for worse).

But re: the aims - I totally agree. It has its goals firmly laid out - and it's working. My jaw dropped when I saw all those execs on stage at the press conference yesterday. I mean, that's serious momentum. 
 
Open Standards based platform for developing markets instead of competing with high-end lock.in like iOS and Android. That's the sweet spot that FirefoxOS is focusing on. Very well planned.
 
I love how the mood has changed in a matter of weeks. Every getting excited by Ubuntu, now Firefox. I think everyone's opinions will keep switching until both platforms have officially released. I don't care, stick with the tried and tested. #android
 
+Ed Hewitt Symbian is abandonware. I have a Symbian phone, and it was amazing a year and a half ago, but it isn't updated any more, and feels very dated (application ecosystem is pretty weak too).
 
I see firefoxOS just flying in India, replace those hundreds of millions feature phones of the same price. 
 
+Ed Hewitt the "mood" hasn't changed, it's the normal PR cycle. Ubuntu was in the press due to our two recent launches. Mozilla have a big announcement so they're in the press now. 

As I said to you before, nothing is "locked down". Step back to 2005 and you'd have said Symbian and Blackberry had the market sewn up. Apple came along and changed that. Then when Android was launched many people said they couldn't possibly compete with Apple. Now look where they are. 

Markets, user taste, technology and relationships change, they're not locked in by any stretch.
 
+Alan Pope  exactly, how do people come to this conclusion so quickly that an OS will never pick up? the moblie world goes upside down in 2-3 yrs!
 
+Alan Pope  Mood, just from initial reaction from press and people on Google+, it appears people get Firefox's model rather than Ubuntu's. 

Regarding to market share, granted things do change, but certainly in the next two years, the rankings wont change. Both Firefox and Ubuntu wont get going until 2014, plus, Canonical has still got to show us some hardware. So does that mean Ubuntu is 2 years away. 
 
I'd expect an Ubuntu phone sooner than that.
 
being "late" to the market means nothing, unless it is a brand new market. You don't tell a new car manufacturer to not bother, because Ford and BMW have already done a car. A new entrant to the market might not make much impact quickly, but if they have the stamina to last 3 or 4 years with unspectacular impact they might pick up steady growth in particular segments. I do worry that the Ubuntu option is squaring up to android and iphone rather too directly though.
 
+Soumyadeep Chanda its quite easy. Mozilla have shown us devices and apps, and explain to use how it hopes to gain more device, partners and apps. Also, it has more realistic market area to aim for. Ubuntu has no apps, no devices, no partners, and no plan we have heard of yet to achieve those goals. Again, Ubuntu market seems to be everyone, which is quite broad and unrealistic.
 
+Alan Pope agree, if suspect we will see a Dev phone in 2014. But I am talking consumers devices to sell. Mozilla had a Dev phone last year, and now consumer devices to sell later 2013/early 2014.
 
From what I can tell, Firefox OS has a pretty solid and safe strategy for capturing marketshare in emerging markets and for building an app ecosystem.  Firefox OS seems like a safe play with decent hardware and carrier support, and it's goals seem quite reachable, though perhaps not that high.
Ubuntu on the other hand is making a pretty daring play that could really shake things up in the next couple years if it succeeds.  We've never seen a platform that can bridge every single computing form factor from mobile through PC to servers before, and honestly I don't think we really know what that kind of convergence means either.
It's a riskier play with a lot of moving parts, and a lot depends on partnerships which haven't been announced yet.  Of course there will be skeptics at this point.  Everything great and powerful in mobile seems to have gone through the phase where people call it crazy.
 
+David Jordan We have seen cross-screen platform before. You can argue Apple are trying to do it. Incorporating iOS features into OS X. OS X on servers. iOS on Apple TV.

Microsoft are certainly doing it. Metro interface on Windows Phone, Xbox, Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012.
 
+Ed Hewitt I should have been a bit more precise in my wording there.  I think we've certainly seen some attempts at the cross-screen platform before, but I'd argue that the nature of Ubuntu's plan is a somewhat different and more complete.  I would argue that OS X and iOS are quite different beasts in use, and Apple lacks a plan to bridge their differences in a satisfying and complete way.  Historically, Microsoft's mobile and desktop products were so far separated it wasn't funny, and even now with Metro, it feels like two unrelated things bolted together.  Not to mention the software ecosystem differences between mobile and PC on each of these platforms.  Ubuntu's efforts feel qualitatively different to me, a far more graceful transition from one device to the next, with a lot of potential for interdevice collaboration as a result.
 
Very true, Microsoft is using the same NT kernel across all their products and trying to fit a touch-only interface across all screens. At least Unity is both touch and mouse optimised. 
 
we don't know how graceful that transition is going to be in any way yet. There is an aspiration for it to be possible, but right now there isn't even a way to transition from landscape to portrait on the same device.
 
+Alan Bell True, but handling screen rotation is a much easier technical issue than say making Metro and traditional desktop feel like they're meant to be together.  When just considering a phone that stays a phone, a tablet that stays a tablet, and a PC that stays a PC, Ubuntu still seems (based on what I have seen so far) to feel more harmonious across between them...they feel like variations on a theme.  As far as one device to rule them all, there are a lot more technical issues to solve, important details to get right, but it's a far more straightforward task than say making Metro and traditional desktop feel like they're meant to be together.
 
David is right, for Ubuntu right now, transitioning between form-factors is an implementation problem, it can be fixed with code.  For Windows 8/RT/Phone, iOS/OSX and Android/Chrome, it's a design problem still.
 
fair enough, I don't know much about Windows and iOS designs and certainly android/chrome don't really relate that closely, Chrome seems more like firefoxOS than android
 
Its rather odd to comment on the form-factor transition of Windows Phone, OSX, iOS, Android and Chrome OS. Since all of them currently only focus on one form-factor. Either touch interface (Phone/tablet) or Mouse interface (Desktop/laptop)

Granted, I will give you Windows 8/RT, since it is used in both touch and mouse environments.
 
+Ed Hewitt that's kind of the point, nobody else has a single platform design that covers all those form factors. They will all have to make significant design changes to one or more of their products in order to accomplish that.
 
No, I mean design, and not just visual design
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