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"The trouble with eating Italian food is that five or six days later you're hungry again." — George Miller (

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I'll take a plate of the meatballs and the sauce... ::drool::
A parte il vino, che forse è Chianti, tutto il resto non è italian food!!
Tony Savo
problem is that Americans think that this is what an Italian meal looks like..only accuracy here is the bottle of wine, and even that is wrong because with all that food, 1 bottle is not enough...meatballs are never in the same bowl as the pasta, which by the way is never white. Sauce is mixed with the pasta, not laid on top...the fake parsley insults me in more ways than 1...and the thick pizza does not exist in Italy..its thin and delicious...and not covered in all that ...(well, whatever). The bread is a full loaf, and not pre-sliced....and lastly, if that is a calzone, then trust me, there is nothing you dip it in the U.S, they dip everything because the food sucks and has to be drowned out by dippin' sauce... this is EXACTLY the opposite of what a real Italian meal looks like..
+Tony Savo Yep, we have a few authentic italian restaurants here in Quebec, and you have to reserve by table with minimum numbers because it is served as a table buffet, essentially. (So nothing shares dishes, like the pasta vs sauce and meatballs, etc)

'Italian' pizzas here are also thin-crust only; thick crust is american style, which is fine.

I make homemade sauce because most places serve the sauce sweet, which I can't stand. I'm actually going to make it tonight for dinner.

But, that said, just because one culture does things differently doesn't mean it is necessarily a good reason to be prejudiced against them for how they do things. They serve the sauce on top with the meatballs on top because meals aren't traditionally served together as a family in many cases. Large families aren't all that common, and in large families, it isn't uncommon for everyone to eat at different times. It doesn't make sense to put out all of the extra serving dishes when not everyone eats together.

But, the bread thing does bother me; if it doesn't come as a loaf, it isn't right. But, I live in Quebec and we take after the french in terms of meals. Easy access to fresh loafs of good bread. :)
Then try madagascan food please.
Simple, tasty and natural.
Bon appétit
+Rebecca Blain , I wasn't being prejudiced, just being real. If you are going to label something as Italian, then I will defend it as an Italian...Canadians are known for having some of the freshest water on the planet...If I took a picture of a glass of water that was yellow and dirty, and said it was from Canada, would you defend it? You would explain that it is NOT Canadian, and explain to us how good the water is in Canada and WHY it is so good. However, if +ZAGAT said, this is a MEAL made by Americans in an American restaurant, I would not have responded...rather, they call themselves a rating company...well, I rate +ZAGAT and give them 2 thumbs down and half a star...
+Tony Savo I... don't think Canadians are really known for clean water. I would probably ask which river you had gotten the water from, and talked more about where the pollutants likely came from. If you think we have pure, clean water, I think you need to come over here and get a taste of reality.

So, no, I don't defend things needlessly. I think you're being overly sensitive, though. If the water is yellow and dirty, and it came from Canada, well, that is just fine.

You're reacting to a quote, and an image they put with the quote. That is a little over the top. They didn't say it came from a specific restaurant, they didn't state where the food came from. So, they linked that style of food with Italian. And you're getting offended over something that simple?

I was under the impression that Italians were kind, generous and outgoing people who enjoyed sharing food, even if that food doesn't necessarily meet with the standards of the European Italians. I'm rather astounded, seeing as the Italians that I've had the pleasure of meeting were kind people who would share with others and welcome others into their homes for meals... and would even 'Americanize' things so that their guests would be comfortable and be able to enjoy with the family.

I'm rather disappointed that the reality is much different.
no +Rebecca Blain , I'm reacting not to the image and quote, I'm reacting to the labels. When someone says something is Italian, then it would be nice if the depiction was accurate. Olive Garden has commercials that they have great Italian food. When someone comes to me and says, I dont like Italian food because I went to Olive Garden, then I will explain that is not Italian. It may be simple to you, but I take food very seriously, as do most REAL Italians. And using water from Canada as an example, was just that, an example. Food is religious to us, and that is blasphemy...take it as you will. I will never Americanize anything in regards to food. If you can be so easily swayed and able to dilute your beliefs in order to be friendly and passive, then so be it.. I stick by my opinion and will challenge it anytime I feel it is necessary...thanks for your comment! :)
+Tony Savo I'm fine with agreeing to disagree. I just think it is a little sad you aren't accepting of other cultures. But, I grew up where I was encouraged to accept other cultures and beliefs.

That said, what I believe is what I believe, and you have no knowledge of my beliefs, so don't you think it is a little much to state I've diluted myself when you don't even know what I believe? That's a little silly as assumptions go.

Your example of Canada, however, is just an example of ignorance, though. If you're going to make an example, at least make one that is educated and actually matters to many Canadians. Like, Hockey. (My Husband is a follower of the Hockey religion...)

But, if you consider your attitude, and the attitude that Italians will not share their recipes and culture, are you really surprised when people 'get it wrong'?

Kind of a pity, really, since it just encourages that sort of 'Americanization'. :)
+Clovissia Touvent What are some Madagascan dishes you'd recommend? Any recipes you could share with us?
I'm very accepting of other cultures, especially because I lived in other cultures. And regarding the 'diluted comment', you mentioned that people will 'Americanize" their food in order to make them feel comfortable..and calling my example one of ignorance is ignorant within itself. We are discussing food, not sports. How would I possibly give an example about hockey? They don't call Canadian hockey players American. By the way GO FLYERS!!... and as far as the water, it is some of the freshest in the world. And please, do not rant about SHARING recipes. My goal is to educate everyone in eating. I will share all my recipes...and I will knock FAKE ITALIAN however, until the label of ITALIAN food is removed from NON ITALIAN food...By the way, Canada DOES HAVE some of the freshest water on earth, and are proactively seeking ways to protect it. Most Canadians are proud of you go, in case you were not aware....
Se questo rappresenta la classica cucina italiana le polpette sopra a gli spaghetti al pomodoro non ci devono essere.
bravo +simone marchi ... e proprio questo che sto provando a spiegare a questa gente....e mi offendo quando dicono che questo e cibo fai la traduzione di quello che ho scritto...vedrai che mi sento come te...
But the problem is that the recipe is not that, not a racial issue
Italian pizza sucks. But then pizza isn't really Italian food, it's Greek in origin but really perfected in America. In America Dominoes pizza is some of the worst pizza I've ever had but even Dominoes beats Italian pizza.
+Josh Brock ..born n raised in the U.S.A...would never knock my country...but since Im also Italian, don't like other people knockin my each his own...dip away fellow foodie...just don't say it's Italian...cause the only ignorance is people eating olive garden and calling it Italian...
Funfact: in italy noone eats past with meatballs.
That's not Italian food in that picture. That's an american stereotype of what they think Italian food should be (and the typical fare you tended to see in the old school "Red Sauce" restaurants that used to pass for "Italian Restaurants" all over the US). Zagat should know better and should be ashamed to post this nonsense. Outside of the bottle of Chianti The rest of this is good, but not really a typical italian meal.
If we all liked the same things ...there would be no variety and no spice of life...
+Tony Savo Whether it's authentic or not, it's the same as saying a hamburger and fries is American food...
+Scott Markwell - I disagree on the italian pizza sucks comment. I'll give you that roman style pizza sucks, but in southern italy pizza is very VERY good. It's just different from what you find in the US, not only in ingredients but also in cooking style. That's neither good or bad, it's just what it is. I'll give you that American style pizza is what most of the world has come to recognize as pizza, but the corporate brands such as Dominos are far from being a representative of what good american pizza is.
it was +Scott Markwell and he's just silly. He doesn't even have a clue about what a pizza is. Keep eating your synthetic, greasy, toxic pizza, you silly fat murrigan.
+Tony Savo - I respectfully disagree on that point. Modern Pizza (as most of the world knows it) is American style pizza, which was largely defined by New York and Chicago pizza making styles. Southern Italians definietly invented the dish and brought it to the US, but once here it evolved somewhat into what most of the world recognizes today.

My favorite style is capricciosa - with an egg please! Yum!!!
The food you see in the picture has nothing to do with Italian food
+E BOOK CULT Please, enlighten us, is this real Italian food, prepared the way Italians eat it? You sound torn.
+E BOOK CULT - I think that what he meant was for you to explain your blanket statement, much like others have done above.
+Gabriel Walsh Actually, I was just goading him on the fact that he was trying so hard to make his point that he felt it necessary to post the same thing several times. Funny, though - my friend's grandmother, who barely speaks a word of English (as she is from Italy, and lives there,) makes her pasta just like that - meatballs and all.
Never seen, nor have eaten something like that in my life, I mean pasta and meatball here in Italy. Period. That is a sterotype of fake italian cucina .... Same thing happens when you enter an "italian" restaurant or pizzeria in the US and discover that are all mexican...... Those are not italian restaurants and they offer fake italian meals...... and this is a classical example of what happens there. Other cases happen when 2nd or 3rd generatin Americans open italian restaaurants and mix their parents italian cucina with American style and american tastes, as somebody before stated.....
+Rebecca Blain Pasta meatball-covered = Hamburger chips-covered. ROTFL. You can eat it, but it's not "Italian". Italian means of Italy . Well that's not italian food but italian cheap lookalike food. Simple as that. I know that in Canada you eat Prosciutto di Parma (which is faked), so I don't blame you... in Italy we are so picky when it comes to food :^)
I agree with all Italians who have commented before. HERE IN ITALY nobody eats that stuff. Simply, that is not italian food. That's all.
Sono (e devo) sinceramente essere d'accordo con tutti gli italiani che sono intervenuti. Soprattutto con Tony Savo e le sue giustissime risposte a Rebecca Blain. Sono senz'altro consapevole che negli States ciò che si spaccia per Italian food in realtà è la versione molto americanizzata di una parvenza di "alimentazione italiana" ma mi sorprende di più constatare che una Rebecca Blain qualsiasi possa pontificare su qualcosa che per noi italiani ma soprattutto MEDITERRANEI è al limite della sacralità quotidiana. Detto questo, bisognerebbe una volta per tutte far capire che in Italia non esiste una cucina prettamente italiana ma bensì una cucina più regionale che tiene conto sì di vari gusti e tradizioni ma che principalmente si basa tutta su pochi ma fondamentali elementi (olio extravergine di oliva, grano duro, legumi vari,prodotti ortofrutticoli). Tutto ciò per far capire che la nostra è la vera dieta mediterranea tanto decantata da vari ricercatori e scienziati per la sua bontà nei confronti dell'organismo umano e non certo quell'accozzaglia di salse,pasticci,nauseabondi cocktail di cui si cibano non certo gli ITALIANI!!!!
checkered tablecloth, demijohn with wine and pasta with meatballs. Where did you get this photo? on
La cucina... c'è rimasta solo quella in iTALIA... :) Amici nord americani, non massacratela con i soliti luoghi comuni ;) . Quella foto non ci rappresenta
It is worth mentioning that the US does have tons of real italian restaurants. This is especially true of new york city. Over the last 20 years or so there has been a concerted move away from the old red sauce joints, toward exploring and more accurately recreating the food of italy (and other countries as well). The state of italian food in NYC has improved dramatically and there some truly exceptional restaurants representing different italian regions. Oddly, none of these restaurants seem to be in little italy, which remains largely a red sauce tourist trap.
+Harry Taylor Maybe your friend's Grandmother prepared pasta that way to please you or your friend, trust me: nobody in Italy makes pasta with those balls on top. We have a thing you might have mistaken for that which is called ragout or (misspelled) ragù, which is basically a meat based sauce, but has nothing to do with what you call Italian food.
If you like what's depicted in that picture then ok, be my guest and eat to your heart's content. They're just names after all and «That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet»
Only be prepared for whenever you should come to Italy: that is not the food you'll find here :)
+Alex Torres - In the city one of my favorites is Pepolino in tribeca (right on the triangle). It's tiny so if you don't mind being close to the kitchen, consider an upstairs table. It used to be a LOT better than it is now, but it is still very, VERY, good.

Overall, my absolute favorite, though, is Trattoria L'incontro in Astoria (a block from the last stop on the N/W in queens). The restaurant has grown from a little place to a huge spot that includes a wine bar around the corner. the food is out of this world. Make reservations in advance of when you want to go (I mean a week or so) and make sure to arrive early as the wait can be long during busy hours. The plus side is that you can wait in the wine bar or even eat there if you want.
+Tony Savo

Learn some manners little boy, and then learn to read. I'm not one to cite Wikipedia articles but the ironic thing is the Wikipedia article you cited agrees with me and says pizza is Greek in origin. Maybe try the Sylvan Learning Center. I hear they have programs for people like you.
One of the best food in the world!!! ;)
Penso che zagat non sappia assolutamente cosa sia il vero italian food e neanche Giorge Miller!
That looks really good, no I'm hungry again!
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