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- I don't know nearly enough of the history of atheism to comment on that part. I am familiar with Gould's notion of non-overlapping magisteria, and have always been quite fond of the idea, but from the perspective of a scientist and a theist rather than from that of an atheist. I can certainly imagine that there were other social trends going on which led to that idea becoming less popular among atheists than the harsher ideas of the New Atheists.
But as far as "converting people to what," alas, there are quite a few atheists who seem to believe that it is their duty to either convert everyone else to atheism, or failing that to manifest their contempt for them in as vivid a manner as possible. These are assholes who happen to be atheists and use atheism as a vehicle for assholery, in much the same way that other assholes use various religions; but in the past few years, I seem to have encountered a surprising number of them. (That may be a side effect of living in Silicon Valley, where the atheist population is higher and thus, statistically, one would also expect the atheist asshole population to be higher, while the religious asshole population is proportionately lower. Some days, I think I shoulda been a proctologist.)Apr 25, 2012
- http://tmagickalhavoc.blogspot.com/2012/04/if-jack-chick-were-pagan-pagan.htmlNewly reposted:
I have no words for how much I love this particular tract.Apr 25, 2012
- Oh, I understand the whole atheists versus creationists business. What I find unfortunate is that so many people assume that everyone in the world is one or the other.
One thing which I've noticed and which has surprised me is that several of my atheist and agnostic friends believe that they've never actually known anyone religious. They're wrong, of course, but their perception of religious people is so dominated by the creationist stereotype that it never occurs to them that someone who isn't foaming at the mouth might actually be quite devout. And they'll then proceed to say all sorts of unpleasant (and quite untrue) things about religion, just sort of assuming who their audience is.
I've seen the exact same behavior in reverse, of course, but when someone bases their beliefs so deeply on rationality, I tend to just expect more of them. :)Apr 25, 2012
- Well, sure. Most atheists are pretty decent people and don't like being jerks to people for no reason. :)Apr 26, 2012
- I kind of like being a jerk to people for good reasons. I admit to overdoing it occasionally. I'm working on that.Apr 27, 2012
- Sorry, I missed your comment. Let me try and address it: you write "Religious believers do claim that they have extraordinary evidence."
They are welcome to present that claim, and argue it, and present their evidence, but if people reject it they don't get the recourse of demanding proof from those who reject it, because they're still the ones making the extraordinary claims.
It's also important to note that different religions are making different extraordinary claims. Their proofs contradict each other, and it's not the atheists... by and large... who they should be concerned about. If you want to build a mosque in New York City, or a church in Tehran, it's rarely the atheists who are trying to stop you.
About all you get from atheists is the far more reasonable demand that religions not be given special privileges. And even voicing that idea gets one tagged as a "militant atheist".Apr 27, 2012