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Even if they told us it probably wouldn't be the truth.
 
You guys just tagged yourselves
 
Im in Canada - so no NSA here, besides, all they would get from my info is.. "BORING"
so not worried 
 
Kinda makes you wonder... Here we are complaining that our own government is eavesdropping on our conversations, all the while we forget the billions of privately funded tentacles reaching into our electronic communications and selling our privacy to financial institutions, insurance companies and countless other corporate conglomerates for pure profit. Yeah... The government sure is the bad guy here.
 
Does it make it better if you know that all governments are doing the same shizz?
 
If we tell you we violated your privacy it will violate your privacy! You gotta love circular logic like that!
 
I am going to go out on a limb and guess that we also can't know how much money they are spending to violate our privacy. Even though it is our money they are spending.
 
+Mike Metheral while you elaborate on the concept of "shizz", your very own phone carrier or ISP is making use of its own version of legal use of private information to make sure third party reach you with their spam email and telemarketing. Just for kicks I included in my cable bundle a phone line I never use but that I can access through my iPhone. Within a few weeks until today I kept finding voicemail messages from debt collectors looking for at least 20 different people... None of them were me.
I'm not worried about how deep they reach into my privacy, I got nothing to hide, I'm rather worried about the clumsy way my privacy is violated on a daily basis. A quote from "Goodfellas" comes to mind: "organized crime always seems very disorganized...". As much as I would love to feel paranoid, I'm more afraid of stupidity than actual evil.
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ignorance is bliss only if the ignorant don't know they are so
 
Using pattern recognition it's probably all of them!
 
There is no privacy anymore. Anyone who believes there is are living in a dream world.
Every time you use a C.C. or make a call  on a cell or wired phone you are being tracked. Do you have a job, a bank account you're being tracked. Own a car or pay your taxes you're being tracked. Supermarket, shopping mall, bookstore you're being tracked.
As long as information = money and security you will never have privacy again.
 
+Sabeena LoBello Every chance I get. 
 
Ba ha ha ha I need a plus lesson
 
From Wikipedia:

"On February 18, 2004, the Federal Trade Commission released a statement indicating that Bonzi Software, Inc. was ordered to pay $75,000 in fees, among other aspects, for violating the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act by collecting personal information from children under the age of 13 with BonziBUDDY."

This example of corporate stupidity is one of the many reasons why i will never be as afraid of the government's ability to spy, as i am of private companies using technology they have no idea how to properly handle.
When the government spies on me, i know exactly what they are looking for and where my data is being kept.

With a private corporation, who knows? They might as well be selling my bank account number to Al Queda for all i know. And who knows if they even know! Am i more afraid of some unpaid intern working on the tenth floor of some company, pushing the wrong button and forwarding my personal info to a bunch of Nigerian scam artists, than i am of the Pentagon? You betcha!
 
Sound point, +Fabio Basile.  But an intrusion's an intrusion, no matter the source.  At least the US government is admitting to spying (in a limited degree). Lots of others aren't as lucky.
 
Oh my. I can't think of anything polite to say except that it seems like an end run around logic...
 
I agree +Jude Williams , an intrusion is an intrusion... But how do you stop it when it's such integral part of a system we have grown to be so dependent on? Nobody likes to live in the woods and out of cell range, and nobody likes to walk more than a mile unless it's to lose enough pounds to feel good in a bikini, so while the Arabs sell us their gas so that we quietly tell our satellites where we drive, the Feds keep an eye on the neighbor's yard and make sure we don't walk around with too many laser targets on the back of our heads. I'm not a fan of civilian espionage, I'm just wondering what's the alternative? Google EyeSpy?
 
We can’t tell you for 2 reasons:
1.    Divulging that information would show the scope of abuse.
2.    We don’t answer to anybody so piss of.
 
Give me a moment...I'm feeling a little violated...
 
kevin johnson.
You got that right.
Maybe there's a way we can spy on them.
 
It's a Catch 22.. The simple fact that the NSA said "It would violate your privacy if we told you how many people we spy on" just bleeds guilt. 
 
+R. Harlan Smith actually there is: Google. Where else do people learn more about "classified" information, these days? We know about this very topic because we found out about it right here, merely through a notorious secret source of domestic espionage, code name: Wired.
 
The NSA, one of the agencies in the US that doesn't mind spying on it's own citizens to further agendas for getting their own pockets lined for the sake of making money, and completely useless at stopping real terrorists. 
 
It's not OK to violate OUR privacy in the first place you fascist fucking swine!
And once you violate the American people's privacy, you fucked up... time to pay the price. You might not go to jail like you try to do to your own people, but your career is in real jeopardy now. Enjoy you right wing pigs.. thanks for showing the country what some of us already knew was your true face.
 
+hugo isntbi  when it was put into civil law, that's when. That's the REAL reason they are refusing to release the names of the people they spied on unnecessarily, because that would leave them vulnerable to litigation.
 
It's nice to know our information is safe with them /end sarcasm. 
 
+hugo isntbi LMAO You think this is about social networking? How cute.
Oh and btw, you can't find as much about me as you think. Try. lol You can't even tell me what city I live in I bet.
 
this is  not only a tool for security but an option for lawmakers exempt from insider-trading repercussions to privately conduct corporate espionage on anyone with any net value, and pursue personal gains on interest bearing situations with undue influence.
 
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
 
Well put, +Gary Rea. What I actually gather from this statement is that the disinformation agenda is complete because the public finally believes that everything is false regardless. Paranoia is the primary tool of a successful disinformation campaign. 
 
Would I first have to have Privacy to have it violated? Or can they just do it anyway? (if that seems cynical, it might that because I am a frequent flier)
 
+Eric Weber would it be the capital of FL? Am I warm? Interesting thing to bet on...
 
Fabio, thanks, but what Casey said was NOT that the American public would BELIEVE everything is false, but rather, that everything they believe would BE false. There is a huge difference.
 
+Gary Rea you're absolutely right, it was merely my interpretation, kind of a "read between the lines" thing... As it seems with these matters the line between truth and lies is very blurred, so it feels logical that in order to prevent people from discovering one piece of truth, it's easier to feed them a hundred lies as decoys, to the point where a falsity-bias ecosystem is established in which either truth or lie lose their importance. This creates paranoia, which is a very malleable human condition. Once paranoia sets in, a person can be easily manipulated, as his/her reaction time to stimuli is quicker and less planned out.
It's not hard to believe if you think of hardcore audiences like Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck. Such pundits will push paranoia so that their audiences will stop thinking, and will just sit, listen and do as they are told... Like the rest of us on different degrees and under different influences, might that be left or right.
 
If you are not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. 
 
LOL. If our civil liberties are gone, we ALL have something to worry about, David.
 
I think they said that wrong it would violate their privacy -TYT
 
You DO see the obvious contradiction in that statement, don't you? Spying is, by its very nature, a violation of privacy, in the first place. Disclosing to us that we have been spied upon is not a violation of privacy, in itself, but an admission of having already violated our privacy.
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