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Verizon just told me, "Our filing speaks for itself." Indeed.

Verizon has filed a brief (Verizon vs. FCC) with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the "freedom" to edit your Internet, dear customer...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13510_3-57470566-21/verizon-wireless-wants-to-edit-customer-internet-access/
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DIAF Verizon. After my current contract runs out, we're through!
 
I am SOOO glad I have never trusted Verizon.  Never do business with them.
 
This such bs, ISPs should have no right to block or edit material it feels is not a priority or in their best interests. 
 
Isn't it odd that ISP's say 'don't hold us liable for the things our customers do because we can't control that" and, at the same time, say "We'll control what you can do"?
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maybe ppl should just pull their peering agreements with them :-) how's that for editing?
 
Love it +C Bird! Unfortunately, those peering agreements would kill a big part of the Internet lol
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My read of their filing was that the first amendment argument was just another way to skin prioritizing traffic of "partners" on their wireless network.  Then the other constitutional argument was that their private property (wireless network) was being taken via the equivalent of a "permanent easement" (since it is being mandated without just compensation).  It seems like a more hyperbolic way to express their arguments all along: wireless networks are different, so they should be able to manage and charge differently than wireline networks.

I'm no lawyer, but I don't get the "corporations have personal rights" (speech, protection against government abuse) argument.  If there were a draft, you can bet Big Red's name isn't getting drafted for the army.

An aside: if not VZ, then what's a viable option for wireless internet?  AT&T, Sprint, T-Mo?  Same attitude, different technology and coverage.
 
"I'm no lawyer, but I don't get the "corporations have personal rights" (speech, protection against government abuse) argument.  If there were a draft, you can bet Big Red's name isn't getting drafted for the army."

Unfortunately, ever since the "Citizens United" decision (and others before it) corporations do have civil rights, and (as you note) no concomitant civil responsibilities.

Welcome to the the age of the corporation.
 
+P Park I think that's the problem: they are all the same. This decision won't just empower Verizon but all of the wireless ISP's in the future. I suppose the only real solution would be ISP co-ops like what they're trying in Oregon. But that doesn't seem to be going well. 
 
So this is definitely Verizon Wireless (VZW) this time and not the company Verizon Communications (VZ) that only owns 50% of Verizon Wireless? A lot of times these doom and gloom announcements come out about Verizon Wireless, it turns out that it only concerns Verizon Communications.
 
So according to "editorial discretion", instead of me choosing the TV channel/package, Dish, DirecTV and Comcast will decide what I need to watch.
 
Time for deep VPN to be built into Android.
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Ya, but who's going to carry your VPN traffic?  Somebody's still gotta haul it from point A to point B.  And unless you've found a way to do it for free, it still involves Big Red and their ilk.
 
I'd contend that if you were under contact as a Verizon customer and then suddenly they wanted to no longer provide you the full internet, that is breach of contract and you should be free to walk away without paying terminal fees on your contract.
 
Carriers are shameless. The 4th Amendment violations are deep and plentiful and the collusion with three letter agencies "for wartime security" is disgusting. Who is getting paid off at the EFF to not have brought class action lawsuits against the carriers and the various 'ahem' "social networks" for 4th Amendment violations, fraud, collusion with malicious intent, monopoly etc. And to top it off entities like this one don't even pay taxes on the money they steal from you mining your own data!
 
T.J , also promote other carriers on the net , blogs, dump their stock shares, do the best to nock down. I never practice a theif services like Verizon
 
Corporations need to realize they do not have rights like an individual does.
 
I was literally looking for a new cell phone provider the day I read about their claims on Ars Technica last week. It was because of their claims that they think censoring certain sites or throttling/favoring traffic is protected under the 1st amendment that I went with Sprint over Verizon.
 
In times where corporations are granted personhood and the Constitutional privileges associated with such a status, these kinds of things are inevitable.

I would tend to argue, however, that the "speech" here is being generated by the search engine and that, if any corporation's speech is protected here, it would be that of the search engine.

What's next: phone companies can bleep dirty words in phone calls?
 
But the supreme court has ruled that corporations are to be treated as individuals. Until the supreme court is changed or congress passes a law making corporations not persons you are stuck.
 
Skeux - Exactly.. or at least not the same rights!
 
You have freedom of speech in that the government doesn't have the right to hamper your free speech. That doesn't mean speech is without consequences.

Verizon is claiming all the content on their network that they carry is "their speech". The moment they are no longer a common carrier, they risk losing safe harbor provisions. They could be found liable for child porn, death threats, etc. that flow through their network.
 
The newspaper editor analogy is a complete BS.  They're not pushing us news like newspapers do anyway.  We are pulling stuff we want and they should not have the right to control that.  Also, data caps are a big shakedown.
 
Fuggin puuuke! I just effectively "edited" my wireless provider: I switched from Verizon to Sprint.
 
After getting hosed by multiple contract renewals several years back, dropped them like a rock
Never ever trust those bastards
 
+Violet Blue Interesting, do they really want their filing to speak for them? Sounds like it's saying all the wrong things if they want to keep their customers.
 
Just another chip away at American freedom of speech...
 
Lol if they drop net neutrality and common carrier status, don't they become responsible for ALL traffic on their network?
 
Just SSH tunnel your traffic and Verizon can't say Jack or **
 
The floodgates are open. Soon, ISPs will seek to monetize their customer base by selling "preferred search" results to corporate customers.

The battle for the internet's soul is being waged, and if we don't do something, we will all wind up with implants in our brains that tell us what to buy and craft our window to the world in the name of advertising.
 
Verizon should be careful or they might just get their wish. And with editorial powers come great responsibilities. About every little bit that might fly through their wires.
 
Just use a VPN thru your local carrier.
 
Sorry, more to say... So why aren't we all using Virtual Private Network (VPN) connections for our 4G & wifi connections? It's cheap, works on most any service, and masks your Internet traffic thru your ISP.
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Also (especially wifi), it adds a significant layer of protection when you're soaking up the bandwidth at Starbucks. 
 
There's a word for the term "editorial discretion"... It's "censorship"
 
Ok, if they get that, we should be able to take away their "safe harbor" status and make them responsible for the legality of every single byte that they "edit". They can't claim safe harbor neutrality with one side of their mouths, yet claim to have editorial-like responsibility with the other.  Let them eat Limewire-level liability!
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They compare the internet to cable television?  That's like comparing the telephone to the radio.  If they can edit the internet then AT&T should be able to edit a person's phone calls.  What is wrong with these evil people?
 
and just think, you also have the right to cancel :)
 
Verizon is my carrier too smh.  I wish we had more completion the mobile market. We all know if Verizon succeeds the rest will flow. The same way with their new data plan smh. 
 
+Brad Johnston But if they win, then all ISPs will be able to do the same.  What do we do then, quit the internet?
 
Let them do it. It will just accelerate the deployment of SSL, which is a good thing.
 
If corporations are people can we draft them and send them to Afghanistan, and bring our boys home.
 
This is absolutely disgusting. What can we do to express our outrage tangibly?
 
Done and done, and I hear you on that. But how about tangibly in a sense that hits harder at Verizon itself?
 
If companies r allowed to do this then where is the customers' rights then. We pay for services to be able to use it. So if they r going to control it. It should be completely free with no hook to it.
 
So , I guess i'll be switching service providers when this contract ends.
 
If enough Verizon customers would drop their service and make it known that just filing the brief was the reason, Verizon and other ISP's would get the message. We simply have to start hurting these corporations finically every time they try something. Run one of these corporations out of business by dropping their service in mass and other corporations will be very afraid of the public.
 
Brilliant. I think after (buy our products) Verizon manages this, everyone and (give us your money) their cousin will start. They'll come up with more and (you know you want to spend) more clever ways to abuse the system, like maybe injecting subliminal messages into our posts.

Not to mention (new family plan - only $100) the total violation of privacy this creates.
 
But wasnt the scotus decision based solely on political speech and the ability to donate to causes without liimitation? This whole argument they are making is to stifle competition. And because they are monopolized in certain channels, they can fight to keep us from freely choosing to get services elsewhere for a better price. It is like leasing a house to someone and then saying they can only live in the kitchen. Outrageous
 
It is simple vote, with your wallets. If you are on locked into Verizon make yourself unprofitable. :)
 
If this is true, my goodness, screw Verizon wireless! 
 
I swear I will leave VZW if they do not reconsider this ludicrous stance.
 
I hope everyone here is taking their message to Verizon as well. It's one thing to talk about it here, it's another to make it matter to them and their shareholders.
 
It is true. The internet removes their monopoly in so many ways. People are
dumping paid tv for Netflix. Vz puts on data caps. Everyob e us after the
internet because it is destroying legacy business paradigms.
 
They don't care. It is survival forvthem and with their market share, we
don't have any choice. Most people don't care and don't understand.
 
What is it talking bout...
 
It's stupid, yes. But it is completely legal. You should already be using SSL for Google, Facebook, email, etc. If not you are just whining.
 
Definitely need to see about setting up a VPN server on my home machine that I can tunnel out to from my phone. Useful on so many levels.
 
I'll be dropping Verizon when my contract is up, this is just wrong...
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This round is all about erecting the toll road: charge content providers for "preferred" access to the clients on VZ's network, even though the clients already pay for access.  Even if you're using SSL, VPNs or some other technology that doesn't allow them to readily inspect the contents, they know from the IP layer where it's come from and where it's going to.  They'll still put their "preferred" traffic first, all others to the back of the bus.

If they really want to inspect/alter content, then requiring use of an SSL proxy would be a simple step on the provider's part... I'm sure that would never happen.
 
SSL does not protect against man-in-the-middle attacks or "edits".
 
Class Action? Maybe you missed that part of the EULA. Class actions are supposedly dead.

Welcome to the world of megacorporations, where the corps have more rights than individuals.

Scary.
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Glad I don't have them as my carrier. SMD Verizon!
 
u kidding me the browsers already do it
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+[Miloslaw Smyk] to the back of the bus for you, then!  More dropped packets, latency and jitter.
 
Our corporate overlords just can't leave a good thing alone.  I'm growing really tired of fighting these battles it seems almost daily.  SOPA, PIPA, ACTA, CISPA, now bullshit like the ISAA and this....

This battle will never stop until a) the public is finally subdued, and privacy/free speech is killed, or b) the public demands constitutional amendments to protect privacy and free speech.
 
Guess that's a good excuse to not use Verizon.
 
Shame. Makes me wanna not renew my wireless and residential account
 
Ok....this is the last straw....been fighting to keep my Razr from being updated for the new software "Ice Cream Sandwich" which Verizon has requested Motorola to make mandatory on all Razrs n Razr Maxx phones...hmmm..lets see they want to update a new software(mandatory) and edit the internet access....sounds like Verizon wants to be in control of it all!

Remember....Verizon slogan..."Rule the Air"...
That's what they are working on
 
Well, they're throttling data access now anyway, so soon I won't be able to get to the internet. Not to mention that my phone will be a brick by the time they get around to an OS upgrade. Having a high performance network is useless if it's not open and accessible. 4Q2VZW
 
change da company,  massive migration for better options, this is da right answer, we have da power, this is da easy way
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+[Brian Aldrich] - don't get me started about my supposed "unlimited data" plan, which is now "grandfathered" because Big Red is so nice to me and my old phone.  But, if I want to make the jump to a 4G phone, bye bye "unlimited" and hello metered and overages! #4Q2VZW - I think a new hash tag is in order!
 
"Big Red" strikes again. It's the evil empire I tell you!....although I am a FIOS customer. Yo check out their HD channel lineup! Switch to Verizon today! ( ;-) )
 
I personally believe that the first amendment gives me the right to say "I hope the folks at Verizon Wireless who thought this up die of giant, ropy hemorrhoids, after about five years of suffering and shame."
 
My only thing is, if the 1st amendment gives this right to ISP's why is Verizon the only ISP out there that's voicing this??
 
I guess nobody actually reads the small print where it says the company reserves the right to change, alter or discontinue service without notice. Not allways, but I have seen it.
 
The only way is to pull the plug there is no stopping bwahahaha
 
Are they not afraid of losing their safe harbor? If they exercise editorial discretion aren't they are responsible for the content - even if that content is illegal?
 
I've ended long term relationships before and will certainly end this seven year relationship if the bitch gets too naggy!
 
I shared this over to FaceBook as well.....this really is oppressive
 
+Randy Dockery I'm starting to think the same thing. I haven't been a Verizon customer for seven years, but I'll be exploring my options when it's time to trade phones. (I like how you say it better than how I do).
 
using freedom of speech as an argument for your "right" to edit/limit someone's freedom of speech is ri-damn-diculous
 
I think after my 2 years are up on my galaxy s3 me & Verizon are going to part ways
 
Lets see what happens if this goes through. They'll lose one customer here for sure.
 
Anything to make a buck, right Verizon!? Not cool yo.
 
Internet access controlled by you, $200/month. Internet access controlled by big red, $125/month. That's how it'll end up!!!
 
So I guess if this does really fall through, and we can't forget that Apple will most likely come out with a patent for this type of BS, I think the time for a second revolution against these BIG BROTHER corporations is in order. I wonder if they can track online sales, and if they can, would they notice the purchase of firearms from everyone of their customers?
 
I cancelled my Verizon Wireless phone.......it's ridiculus what they charge anyway!!!
 
Their base argume t is flawed: isp's provide the digital highway for content (newspapers) to travel on. According to verizon's base argument, the owners/administrators of roadways should dictate which newspapers can be delivered on said roads.

What a crock.
@Verizon : STOP BEING ASSCLOWNS
 
an individual decide for an individual. are there any superior benefits or just a monopolistic urge to playing the big daddy. 
 
+Violet Blue  So they are giveing up common carier status Jezus US Mobile companies realy are the "Kids on the varity club sunshine coach" of the telecoms industry.

for US readers I mean the kids who go to the "special schools" no wonder other major telcos laugh at US companies.
 
Well if an ISP can censor a search engines results... wouldn't that mean we could see Google Vs. Verizon... heh.
 
power control freaks unleashed welcome back to AOL
 
Probably time for government to treat internet cables as roads and do somewhat what UK did in this regard. In UK now internet is much cheaper and faster.
 
Ok I was a child once with a not so great parent now a phone company wants to be like a parent.? "Edit" what I can or can not see?? How much better would they do? How much better would the web experience be? Yeah no! I dont need another parent to try to mess up. Be a phone company. Not a parent.
 
Rather than VPN, which can be a tad demanding on the phone and cause significant lag, I would suggest that people check out some of the DNS switching apps already available.

"DNS Changer" from +Eddy Pey (although the author may not be the same as the guy on G+) is the only one which seems to work on 4G phones, and it allows you to specify any DNS service you please.  Verizon can't censor you when you aren't using their DNS servers and it incurs no lag or CPU/battery cost.
 
Welcome to the new USA, now with added great firewall of china. At a Verizon dealer near you,
 
Sprint is waiving their $36 activation fee, and giving you $100 amex card to pay early termination fees... Hurry, you have until the 14th! :)
 
You vote with your dollars. If you like this, stay with Verizon, if you don't. Switch.  
 
+Jason Ferris where did you read that about sprint?  I was waiting till next month to switch because not wanting to pay 50$ in termination fees.
 
+Joseph Harry It's the first thing that pops up in the "welcome to sprint" headlines... Or just go browse the phones and you'll see "get an extra $100" next to the qualifying phones, quite a list of 'em! We switched from AT&T 3 years ago and haven't looked back! Good luck!
 
We must stop this! We are paying to use their pipeline to a free Internet. It would be like them telling what we can say on the phone. Just power hungry ridiculous! 
 
I really want to quit Verizon. I really need providers to step up their game in Atlanta. There just isn't another viable option for me.
 
Reading this make me grateful I have xfinity.
 
What our lawmakers and the isp s think we forgot is that the internet was created and paid for by US taxpayers. The ISPs provide the pipe through which traffic can travel but the internet, the technology and the content belongs to the people. Had we a government concerned with the 'general welfare' of its citizens, they would have provided the pipeline at a one-time taxpayer expense instead of giving our money away to dictators, communists, and socialists in the hopes of buying friendship and votes. The TOR network (along with bridges, although a bit cumbersome) is one way to keep them out of our business.
 
+J. Arthur Lee you can opt out of G+, you don't have to +1 anything, and more than anything else, google's services are FREE, not binding in a 2 year contract.
 Furthermore, "tailored search results" is not censorship. it's something, but it's not censorship.

+Carlos Lopez Google already went head-to-head with China.... I doubt they're scared of Verizon.

+Verizon ASSCLOWNS! stop it! bad corporation, BAD!
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