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Incredible and touching read for those who live in religiously divided families. Many thanks to my friend +Tim O'Reilly who authored this piece.
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I have read this. It is well written and well thought out. I recommend this to anyone in a two religion household.
This sounds a very moving read, and I have added it to my reading list. Cheers.
Touching. Thank you for sharing
"There are a thousand ways to God. Let us all honor the ways that others have found."
That was just beautiful.
Having experienced a "Multi-belief" household over the years it still amazes me how people can be so closed-minded especially when religious beliefs at their core seem to require an open mind. Thx for the book rec.
I'm just stunned that anyone can think that "religious beliefs at their core seem to require an open mind"!! Open to what? Evidence? Tolerance of people who have different (equally irrationally justifiable) religious beliefs and tell you that yours are wrong? The cross-cultural studies of the psychology and neuroscience of "mystical experiences"? The textual analysis of Bible documents? Evolution? Yes, I know this is a waste of time and will probably get me a fatwah or an excommunication or something, or disapproving communications from people whose religion of love entitles them to hate or threaten me. Jeez. Yes, open minds we need more of.
hahaha. Graham, we're more on the same page than you think. Funny how you read it that way. Sorry for the confusion.

I meant, it seems one HAS to have a very open mind to believe some of the things taught like miracles, mysterious explanations for events, etc in light of no or even contradicting evidence. How else could anyone believe them?

Unfortunately, as is my personal experience, that open-mindedness stops there.
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+Graham Lawrence, it seems you have some bad experiences with religion, which I can definitely relate to. But I will say that I agree with +Charles Godfrey's statement nonetheless. People who believe in something for which there is a lack of any hard science explanation do indeed at least start off with an open mind. Where it goes from there is up to the individuals (and those with whom I've had bad experiences closed their minds ages ago), but it was definitely open at some point. Anyway, the more dismissive we are of them, the more closed-minded and like them we become.
+Charles Godfrey thanks for the clarification. I had the same reaction +Graham Lawrence did when I first read your comment. I am a believer myself, but most religious people I know are not open minded in the least. I get now what you were trying to say. +Vic Gundotra thanks so much for sharing this. Great stuff!
Sorry Charles, it's difficult to pick up sarcasm in print (as I've found when trying to use it in emails!)
No, Chris, I don't have any "bad experiences with religion". Except reading about child abuse by Catholic priests in Ireland, or about the destruction of the World Trade Centre, or about abortion-clinic doctors and homosexuals being targeted by people whose sole (conscious) justification is words in old, old documents written by pre-Enlightenment very religious people in undeveloped and cruel cultures, who had extremely primitive technology and psychology, and thought leprosy and thunderstorms were caused by demons and spirits and sin, and wouldn't have known an astronomical or genetic truth if it bit them on the temple steps.
Beautiful read and thanks for sharing this. I am re-discovering my Catholic faith yet once again (which tends to lapse every few years) and so found this a great read. Tim O Reilly is a great writer (can see why he went into publishing :-)
+Graham Lawrence from what you said it doesn't seem like you have had any bad experiences with religion. You've only noticed other people's bad experiences. Even if it wasn't misguided, those people don't need your help. You're not some saviour, you're not some martyr. You're not here to save anyone from religion. These people are sharing something they feel is beautiful, if you don't want to join in, that's fine, but don't come shit on someone else's idea man. Why would you intentionally do that to someone?
This is a lovely piece. Thank you.
Of course, the religious split among the Irish isn't so much to do about doctrine, but politics.
Beautiful said +Adam Hartley I too have noticed that most atheists view themselves as some sort of saviors trying to "save" those who believe in a God. Frequently, but not always they tend to be pretty angry. Pretty pathetic...
I'm getting a little bit fed up with this becoming some kind of series of personal attacks on me. Firstly, it wasn't "beautifully said", it was the first bad language in the comments on this. Secondly, all I did was comment on the words of two other people who had commented here - isn't that the idea of a public expression in social media? Am I not allowed to, but other people are? Thirdly, I like to share stuff that I feel is beautiful - such as truth and tolerance and freedom from childish delusions and evolution towards greater understanding of the universe. Fourthly, there is something seriously wrong with anybody who thinks for one second that it is "pathetic" to be "pretty angry" with children being abused by priests or innocent citizens being murdered by terrorist fanatics - which includes people blowing up clinics, not just skyscrapers. Fifthly, the irony of people who believe in a saviour telling me I'm supposed to imagine myself a "saviour" ought to bring a sad smile to somebody's face somewhere. These comments here are the only time I've ever been accused of this, and I've certainly never claimed it myself. Go argue intellectually with the points made on and leave me alone.
Graham Lawrence, let me just say this ... feel free to not to believe in a God or any other "childish delusion" and please leave us who prefer to believe in such delusions alone! In much the same way you atheists hate people trying to force you to believe in a God, folks like me who believe in a God (actually a significantly large majority of people in this world) are sick and tired on you atheists trying to ram your beliefs (about the non-existence of a God) down our throats. Vic shared what I believed was a beautiful story about Tom O Reilly reminiscing about his Irish roots, father brother etc. I am sure most who read that story felt it was a heart-warming story which made their day a bit better .... that is until you hijacked it with your desire to convert us misguided souls.
I thought it was a beautiful and touching story. I was hoping everyone could appreciate the struggle Tim was writing about. I didn't want this to devolve into a religious debate. Just an appreciation that all of us have our own paths and often deal with this tension between belief and non-belief. That is all. :-)
I think we need to believe in good, but some times here in Ireland Good is not good enough. With the church it is so often Black or White! I think the church needs to find more COLOURS!!! Nice post +Vic Gundotra Thanks.
+Tim O'Reilly your content is good mostly this line "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee..."
Sad that families are divided like this - I come from mixed Catholic /Protestant parents. They didnt tell my Paternal Grandparents that I was baptized COE until i was 6 or so
That was a beautiful read. I'm quite thankful I get to live among similar landscapes touched on in that story.
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