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Cord cutting is for real. So how long has regular TV got? We debate the answer, on this week's Frame Rate with +Brian Brushwood

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I cut the cord in 2008, using Plex as my media technology. Saved $55/month
 
not long;. I watch exclusively from Xbox.
 
My wife and I cut the cord a few years ago to save money and we really don't miss it... Between Netflix, Hulu and Amazon we can pretty much whatever we want whenever we want... The fact that it saves us about $130 per month is gravy...
 
We cut the cord at the beginning of last year. We have a Roku box and Netflix and Amazon Prime. Our cable bill for Digital Cable and Internet and no premium channels was about $135 per month. We pay $8/mo. for Netflix and about $6.50/mo. for Amazon Prime and $49 for Internet service.
 
I think we might cut the cord, but my wife likes to watch Tennis and there's nothing on-line for a lot of sports. Sports may be the last and best anchor for a lot of broadcast/cable TV.
 
I pay for my parents cable subscription and I use that account information to get things like HBO GO. I guess it kinda furthers the cause, as I don't have a cable subscription otherwise, though obviously that's not ideal.
 
With Hulu Plus, Netflix, Kylo and podcasts I haven't missed cable these past two months. With two young children (1 & 5) "live tv" hadn't appeared on any of the screens in my house in quite a while. While I may end up buying MLB, I'll still end up saving over $1,000 by not paying for what we weren't using.
 
I cut the cord 3 months ago and have not looked back but I'm wondering how long it will be before cable companies decide to jack their Internet rates.
 
I cut the cord over 12 years ago and haven't looked back. With more options like netflix and huluplus over the past few years, I'm satisfied for sure.
 
I cut the cord about 2 months ago. I haven't watched cable for quite sometime. The wife factor was the hardest to over come.
 
I cut the cord years ago. The biggest issue is live sports but when I watch TV it is something I want to watch rather than a random search for nothing..
 
We quit last year. It was kind of rocky convincing the family using a home theater PC, but after giving up on the PC and buying a couple of Roku boxes there have been no complaints. I also put up an antenna so we could still get network broadcast and local chanels. We're saving over a hundred dollars a month even after paying for Hulu and Netflix.
 
Cord cutting is not going to happen for a while... Ok here is my example on why Mr. +Tom Merritt. Iron eagle the movie was brought up in conversation, and i was like darn i totally wanna see that movie. I tried amazon, hulu, and netflix. All of them did not have the movie for streaming. Amazon even told me hey we dont have it due to lic. issues. The Movie is 27 years old. There is lic. issues on a 27 year old movie??? Go suck a tail pipe movie studios... I cant access the content i want to. IPTV or whatever you wanna call it is too slow. Only good way to cord cut now is if you are a full on Pirate. Then you can just steal your shows. So to conclude it will be MANY MANY years before cord cutting works.

Invest in Dreambox, and pay some to hook up multiple transponders on your dish and get crazy. possibly the best option of them all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreambox
 
Its good if you live in a larger center where you can get HD from an Antenna but where I live that's not an option nor is getting locals, Also if your outside the USA its not much of an option either lol as most or next to all of the internet services are simply not available yet, Netflix is but I already got rid of that since it has no useful content in Canada, and if your a sports fan forget it at this point but that could change in a couple of years. So Cable or Sat is needed in smaller centers and will be for many many years to come yet. not to mention the Data caps that are on the way will pretty much kill most of the Internet TV stuff in a couple of years most likely, unless they all get along and I don't ever see that happening, You also got to remember while us geeks are up to speed on whats happening with tech stuff 90% of the folks out there have no idea nor do they care. they just want to watch their favorite show on the proper night and post on Facebook.
 
+Ashley Sommer Respectfully disagree. Haven't had a cord in a long time. Depends on where your priorities are. Works great for me. If it doesn't work great for you, then that's not evidence that it's wholly unreal.
 
Cord cutting for the masses won't happen until we are allowed to legally watch live sports without blackout restrictions through online services.
 
+Tyler Hardeman Probably. Good thing my wife and I don't care about sports :P But I hope it happens for everyone else's sake.
 
Why can't the NFL and NBA make an amendment to their contracts that licenses the games to a NBC or CBS but it also states in their contract that either A they will be streaming the events on the respective sport website. B make the company winning the bid stream the games online as well. Also they need to set a base price such as a season pass for 40 dollars.
 
I'm getting closer to cutting the cord, but I'd really miss college basketball. If ESPN Full Court was available for online streaming, I'd be done with cable TV.
 
Cut the cord over a year ago and haven't looked back. NFL football is a little tough, but no problems with everything else.

Cheers, Jim
 
If I could pickup local channels without 3 antennas I'd totally consider cutting the cord. 
 
The only reason I have (basic) cable now is because it's free with my rent. I TiVo everything on an old Series 2. The only live TV I see is what I have on in the background while I'm doing other stuff and fortunately I'm not a sports fan. Anything else I watch comes from Neflix and Amazon Instant on Roku. Like +Marc Reece, though, I'm a little worried about ISPs jacking up their rates. I'm on TimeWarner and recently noticed my internet bill has increased by around $5/month.
 
Get a Google TV and use PlayOn or some similar software to stream online video from your computer to your Google TV from websites that block Google TV. Legal? Yes. Ethical? Depends on who you ask, I say yes.
 
Interesting question, +Nicholas Layton. Do ethics even have a role in consumers' decisions? Legality, perhaps, but ethics? Where does that line get drawn? Is it questionable ethics to use Hulu Desktop on an HTPC to watch shows that are absurdly limited to "web only" and therefore won't plan on Roku and Xbox? Screw that (IMHO).
 
It will catch on as SOON as live sports become extinct. In other words, never!
 
not sure of the other 29 comments but I do think that ethics plays a role in decision making whether or not it's consumer qualified.
 
+Richard Gunther I think playing "web only" video on Roku, Xbox, Google TV, or anything else is perfectly fine. You're playing it off of the web, and it's still web no matter what device you use to connect to the Internet. I don't know why or how these companies can draw a distinction between different devices and say a Mac or PC is "web" but a Roku isn't. It's completely absurd and really just shows their ignorance.
 
This is why you have Android phones instead of iPhone. That way you can have cheap htpc's all over the house running Ubuntu with xbmc installed and not have to worry about itunes compatibility.

Just built a bedroom entertainment center with a 42 inch vizio and a foxconn brand brazos nettop all for about the cost of a new iPad.
 
A lot of you are talking about wild workarounds. But some of us just don't care. I don't have a TV not because I'm bent on doing it with XBMC. I simply don't have one because I don't care :)
 
I particularly noted how straightforward and relatively simple it is becoming to cobble together cheap commodity hardware and open source software for those daring to tinker. At this point all I would have to do is move the tv closer to the foot of the bed, and then if I was having trouble sleeping I could just sit up and play with gcc and a text editor for a few hours.
 
if you are watching live sports or your into watching live shows (such as American Idol) or like watching Good Morning America, I would not recommend Cutting the Cord but if your favorite shows are on Netflix or Hulu (or other methods) cut off cable. I use Google Voice so the main bill is for internet.
 
Cord cutters here, going on around 2 years now. With Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu, nearly all TV shows can be obtained. +Marcus Ronaldi all the shows (except some sports) you listed are available over the air. Not only is over the air free, but it's a better picture than you'll get from any cable provider. Course, this all depends on you been close enough to the TV broadcast antenna.
 
Is it cord-cutting if you're just trading one reliance (cable companies) for another (ISP)? ;-)
 
You've ultimately got to rely on somebody for virtually anything, if you think about it... So I don't think that's the problem we want to solve right now :)
 
I'm lucky enough to have a Cable/ISP in the northern plains (North Dakota) with no data caps and ungodly fast download and up load speeds. Go MidContinent Communications, wish I had this good service in other markets I lived served by Comcast, TimeWarner, and Cox.
 
Thought I'd throw this on out there....Time Warner controls almost all cable here in Los Angeles. So basically almost all of Los Angeles can't get HBO Go on their Xbox systems. You can fire up your iPad and watch HBO Go using your wifi through Time Warner Cable broadband, but not on the Xbox. How stupid is that? Device centric lock downs are just plain ridiculous. Everything is a computer. This has got to stop.
 
Sadly, I live in the pucker brush without any cord to cut. Just satellite TV and very bad wireless internet.
 
Good show--but I guess I'm sort of immune to some of it. I completely stopped watching television several years ago, simply because it became so hard to filter out all of the utter crap. Especially the news. That left only cable television shows and movies. I had the same problem. I'm not a movie critic or some kind of electronic scholar, but I found I was watching only three types of programs--OLD movies (or really bad ones--Mystery Science Theater level bad), Special effects movies--ray guns, explosions, flying people... I don't really care if they are good or bad as long as they are cool and/or impossible, and documentaries.

The cord has been a dumb pipe for a long time as far as I'm concerned. Netflix does it all just fine--and I don't even miss that when I can't get it. I know I'm not the standard case, but I can't be totally unique. I already see all of the distribution/content fights as similar to watching dinosaurs mate--spectacular, interesting at first, and a total waste of time.

Now I wonder if I am out in front of the pack or just off the track.
 
Whoa! I step away for a day and the discussion asplodes in here. Great stuff y'all. Makes me glad we're doing this show. And makes me wonder, given the nature of the convo here, would you want to see some basic cord-cutting hopw-to in Frame Rate? Some example setups, service reviews, etc?
 
Mr. McCrorey's comment earlier in this thread is correct; as long as there are data/bandwidth caps, cord cutters won't be able to just turn on their TV and watch for hours the way folks do now, because they'll be worried about getting cut off or throttled by their ISP.
 
Tom, some basic how-to would be good, if there are good existing videos present, presenting maybe good. It also could be cross promote with Iyaz's yet to be named How-To show!
 
My unscientific take on all of this is that bandwidth caps have to go away and the way content is dished out has to change. Right now, the industries that provide bandwidth and content are fighting any change as hard as they can. To a huge extent it is a matter of survival to them. It might just be similar to the way a drowning person will eventually panic and do things that make the situation much worse--like grabbing the person trying to help them. I don't know if that is exactly the situation, but it looks a lot like it. In my limited experience with water rescue I do know that the greatest danger to a rescuer is the victim. You can't reason with a drowning man. In fact, you can't do anything with them...if it's bad enough, you just get away and let them flail until they can't grab you--then you just might be able to haul them ashore and revive them. You might not, too, but the alternative is two people drowning.

So if the cable cutting situation is anywhere near where I think it is, we are really looking for the best short term actions to take while we wait for the bandwidth and content providers to exhaust themselves. Some are doing better than others at stopping short of panic, but I think it's going to be awhile before we can choose a simple solution.

THAT is what I'd like some straightforward how-to information about. We can't make the cable companies and cell companies see the light or die or whatever they are going to do. It's pretty clear that they won't listen to their customers at least until they've tried everything else. For the time being, we're on our own and I think we could use a guide. Frame Rate may be the right place for it now. There might be a great enough need to justify a separate program. I'd love to see what a chat room community would do with something like that.

What I'm doing, which is basically reducing the traditional content I consume and making up for it by writing long rambling posts online, is good enough for me...but it isn't doing much good for anyone else.

C'mon, Tom. Get a great idea and change the world...wouldn't that be cool?
 
+Tom Merritt i want +Ron Richards on frame rate to say why he loves google tv so much as a cord cutter. I just got a google tv recently and it seems so crippled by websites treating it differently than any other computer and blocking content just because...well i dont even know why. I cannot come up with one possible explanation that makes any sense at all.
 
I use my 27 inch iMac as my TV. Mostly Netflix and Hulu. My one question is what is the best way to have a remote if I want to browse from my couch? or Pause or rewind? Is there an App to make an iPhone a remote?
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