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Join Marc Hedlund in Recruiting More Women Engineers to Hacker School (and Etsy)

Etsy is providing ten $5000 scholarships to women who want to attend Hacker School's 3 month program to become a better programmer. And when you're done, Marc wants to hire you to be part of the engineering team at Etsy.

Read his blog post here:
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Etsy and Marc Hedlund, you rock! A great way to get more interested in STEM!
Doesn't this kind of pigeon hole the very group you are trying to foster growth in? I understand catering to interest but I don't think encouraging women to get into programming to work for a female oriented site is the answer.

Demographics don't dictate engineering.
Other employers could, you know, set up similar programs... Therefore I don't really see what's to criticize here?
I guess geeks are in dire need for female company in the field tsktsktsk
+Alexander Bochmann I'm not saying it's bad, I just wish it wasn't necessary to frame programs this way.

If people wanted to increase African-American interest in Chemistry, it wouldn't be ok to start training them to work at the KFC labs.

(Hyperbole realized.)
+William Meldon You're not a woman, so I can see how you'd say that.

When I walked into Unix programming, 198 male eyes turned to stare. All the other women had switched degrees by then because being treated like a specimen is damned creepy.

My male co-worker had the same experience in dance classes, only with females staring.

We only stuck with it because we're lone wolf types. Most people are not.

This sort of program helps to fix social alienation that arises from severe imbalance. And then, yes, you'll see more career choices that are purely a measure of ability.
Employing and educating anyone is a good idea. Excluding certain groups not so much.
I tend to agree. Discrimination is bad, even so called "positive discrimination" like this. It's bad because it always results in a Newtonian negative reaction. Creating new negative discrimination, often where none existed before.
Also, in this case the old adage "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him(or her) drink" applies.
The computer field is so skewed at this point, that even though this IS discrimination I think it's warranted. Look at ten or fifteen computer ads - hardware, software, doesn't matter. You see big tits, guns, and other specifically male attractants, but next to nothing to appeal to women (who make up 51% of the world's population, by the way!)
+William Meldon The principle or the politics? Which type of group is it okay to expend money/energy to include?

Also... did you read the article? Their main goal is to make it possible for women to apply - they are hands off when it comes to admissions. Hacker School itself is free and even in the Etsy building itself this Summer!
+William Meldon, I would venture that this differs greatly from Affirmative Action in that the government is not forcing Etsy to do this. Etsy is voluntarily pursuing women programmers because they feel that they'll have a unique perspective from which the company can benefit. After all, Etsy's primary customer demographic is female.

Still, this idea seems...strange to me. I see Etsys goal, but programing is programming and functionality, no matter which gender writes it, is still functionality. Tell your programers what to write, and they'll write it.

I think the female perspective would be most useful to Etsy if they were in the web layout design or new functionality design team. That's all that the customers really see, so it's all that they'll care about. The designers of additional functionality, not the writers of additional functionality is where a new female perspective would be most useful. Women don't need to be programmers to say how you want the site to look or act.

Additionally, I think that any women hired from this could face some resentment from the existing programing team. They will look at her like she was hired because of her gender and not her programming skills. Which, unfortunately, looks about correct.
I agree that basing any special treatment on sex or race is wrong, but the alternative would be to train EVERYONE to treat one another with the same respect whether male, female, black, white, orange, yellow, whatever: it seems racist, sexist and agist to attach any descriptor beyond "this much experience and education in such and such field" ... or "wants to gain experience doing this or that" - LEAVE AGE, RACE, SEX, POLITICS, RELIGION, ETC. OUT OF IT ALL.
lol, did none of you even bother to read the article?
what you r problem no more picture please, yes i do,ok bye
I was one of two women in my film production school and the ONLY female grip in my entire province for a summer. From my perspective, getting huffy about a small grant (I got a similar bursary myself) is silly. Nobody sets out to be a trail blazer and it's an incredibly uncomfortable - and unstable - position to be in. A little enticement is a good thing.
wtf is that thing i mean really do you put that in a computer
Oh well I don't believe anything Tim O'Reilly says anyway.
My question is Why do we need to "balance out the internet Industry"?
I am not sure that wanting people to join an industry for the "Balance" is actual the best way to increase advancement of that field. Women have just as much opportunities as men do to learn about technology fields, and should if that is what they choose to do. Technology is just not something that most women want to do. When we try to "Balance" out an industry(no matter what it is) it always makes hiring managers overlook potential greatness (from people who truly love that industry) for a mere number for equality's sake. I am NOT saying a women shouldn't be involved in certain industries, I am saying that if Men or Women want to enter into technology (or whatever field), Great! However, please do it for the enjoyment that you have for technology not because you want to "Balance" out a certain industry.

Like I tell my kids:

"Great success only come to people who actually think about improving their industry, product, or Idea all the time, and being mediocre is failure to improve." - L.D.H.

So my Question to you is are we looking to Balance an industry with mediocrity? or Are we looking to watch the future of technology growth, whether it is women or men?
+Dustin Heagle the challenges women face going into male-dominated industries can't be summed up as a gender based lack of inclination. Speaking from experience, a lone woman studying or working with a large group of men in a male dominated industry stands out as an outsider and a threat to the "boys only" club from the very first day of school right through to the end of her career, which is often quite short due to unnecessary stress or, in some cases, outright sabotage.

Your casual attitude that women are intellectually unfit for technology jobs is only one of many daily challenges we face. We have to work twice as hard and be twice as good to prove ourselves fit for the job, and when our hard work is rewarded with advancement, our (male) coworkers resent us.

How would you solve these problems, if not by providing financial incentives for women to take on the substantial burden of being the first through the door of an old boys' club?
+Kerri Brown I didn't say anything about women being unfit for this or any other job. I just merely made a point that when we as society try to level something we approach it in the wrong ways. If I want to get my children into something I show them if they are interested in that topic then I help them pursue it. If they don't want to I move on, I don't give them anything extra to get them interested. That is all I was stating, I am sorry that you felt it was a attack against women.

I am sorry that you are having a hard time in school. I don't understand what you are talking about with the "boys only club", when i was in school 90% of the guys wanted a women in some the classes that lacked women because they were sick end tired of just talking to guys about their class and didn't like having to explain everything to women because they didn't understand. Not that women cannot understand it, its just they never learned because the don't want to. I know when I was in school I not only helped but got help from a couple of the women in my classes. The women I have been around in technology seem to be a bit more patient than the men. I also know that women and men who head into the tech field both men and women work hard to accomplish there goals.

As I said before I don't believe it is right to try to push a race, gender or other lacking minority into a field that they are not interested in. When I worked in a steel mill, there was very few women in that business. Why? Because women are not into that career. Nobody was pushing women to go get a job into a steel factory position, because 1 it would be a very hard sell. and 2 both a lot of men and women would quit shortly after they got started, creating a high turn over rate. All I am saying is if people are not interested in a certain field then there shouldn't be more of a "bonus" incentive to "Balance" out that field over what the normal incentives for anyone are.

If you work hard and constantly make improvements in your surroundings you will go far and succeed no matter what race, gender, or religion you are. People notice that attitude and either try to stop you or help you, but it is your choice who to listen to.
+Dustin Heagle I finished school almost 20 years ago. :) Sorry if I misunderstood your comment "are we looking to Balance an industry with mediocrity?" It seemed to imply that you believe encouraging women to pursue careers in technology would inhibit the industry in some way.

A lot of people assume women aren't interested in certain male dominated jobs due to the nature of the work. That is not the whole story - you also need to account for the stress and discomfort of being the only woman (or one of very few) in a large group of men. That was my point.
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