“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.” ― Albert Einstein
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- so our disagreement continues:
the cartoon, as w/ all cartoons, is an exaggeration. it does not imply that there are things one student can learn and others cannot.
however, there are such things. for some students (at the low functioning but not disabled range), polynomials would take longer than the normal education system will allow. if they had enough perseverance, yes they could continue to study after their schooling and perhaps master polynomials at 30, but they will no longer be counted as students, and is not likely due to the time constraints of adult life.
lastly, its not about passing the grade (65+), its about getting to or passing the average grade (80+?).Feb 6, 2013
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Finland. They have a basic education system that every student is required to pass with high levels of mastery, but with less focus on advanced topics (usually achieved at about the age of 16). The students then continue their education based on their preferences (either vocational or academically). Finland achieved amazing success (along the same level as Asian countries which constantly drill their students under high levels of stress) without ever trying to be the best. As a matter of fact they used to be one of the worst educational systems. Instead they said 'we just want to be ok at educating our youth and do what will make sense and encourage success." By lowering their goals and changing their culture and expectations they actually got the majority of students to far surpass their expectations. The idea is that we cannot get better by raising our minimum. A minimum should be a level that all feel like they can reach and then go further. How much further is up to the individual., you are assuming that teachers and students would stop once they achieved the standards. That is not a universal truth. Take a look at Finland, now considered one of the top countries for education
As far as polynomials, no, I believe that everybody could learn about them. Some could master the concept in a day, some in a week. Some might have never understood basic algebra and needed to spend more time on it but they were told that they have to move on then they give up because they don't know how they'll ever succeed. Some will decide they don't want to give up, and will keep trying. Maybe it will take them a year if they were allowed. Others would need 5 years. This isn't how our system works though, instead they are told 'too bad you didn't get it when you were supposed to. I guess somebody screwed up, but since it's your problem your likely think that it's your fault.' That's what it means for a fish being asked to climb a tree. Given enough time, a fish may adapt to be able to, but they aren't ready to do it today.
But if you really want to know about this subject you can't do it from your computer. You have to see the issues that are at play. Work a year in an inner city school and you'll see students who are their third school (or maybe more) of the year, and in some cases the material being covered are completely different. You'll see 10th graders with 5th grade reading levels being asked to read Shakespeare. You'll see a lot of kids who gave up on school and some who never understood why they're there in the first place. When you take a student and try to teach them something that only the top 10% are supposed to get then the students who don't shut down. There is way more that goes into the lives of kids than somebody saying 'do this better.' But if you want to keep arguing using 'logic' when you have false impressions and incomplete information, go right ahead. As a matter of fact, I'd encourage you to go into a school and try to use what you'll believe. Not enough people get to see how a school operates. Well, it's time for me to get my materials for tomorrow so that I can spend my morning prep time in a meeting and not preparing for the day even though I spend about 10 hours a day at school not including time at home spent grading.Feb 6, 2013
- very badFeb 7, 2013
- to use an overused phrase, you've hit the nail on the head. this is exactly what i meant by 'personalization', which convinced me out of. if Finland can do it, why can't us, right?
edit: and by the way, the fish that has adapted to climb the tree is the monkey.
edit2: (evolution)Feb 7, 2013
- TrueFeb 9, 2013
- I have no argument with you, i'm just saying this is a very touchy post apparentlyFeb 11, 2013