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- That's the comment. I understood it to be intended as humorous. You've known your Mum all your life, so it's not surprising that you know what is appropriate to say to her, and what is not. Saying something like that to a total stranger is incredibly inappropriate: it reads as a joke made at the expense of a n00b.
While the point that it is important to know your audience is certainly germane, and we can theorize that Kay simply delivered a well-meant joke poorly, no such excuse applies to his response to the bug Ted is talking about.Apr 3, 2014
- , when person A attacks person B, the right response is not to de-escalate the conflict, because there is no conflict. There's an attack. In the context of the bug report, the problem with your proposed solution is that a person who is not, and does not want to be, a regular contributor to the project is not going to want to be on the mailing list. So what you've actually said, and what they will hear, is "please shut up," not "please participate in this other way," even though you intended the latter, not the former.Apr 3, 2014
- The problem,, is that it was a bug. Something worked, something got changed, something got broken. The person who made the change made a mistake and needs to rectify their error. Now, it's possible that, with negotiation, a better solution can be achieved. But by closing the bug WONTFIX, Kay made it clear that the negotiation was going to start with him taking no action.
Your continued defense of Kay is appalling, by the way. THIS is why we can't have good things in the Open Source community.Apr 3, 2014
- it was intended as a joke at your expense. LMGTFY is always abusive, only ever a joke when between close friends.Apr 3, 2014
- Personally I disagree. I've had random people I don't know send me LMGTFY links in the past and can't think when I've ever not taken them in good humour. I guess like many other things, such as what the best bugzilla workflow is, it's somewhat subjective. I personally thought overreacted (as this is not how I would react to such interactions), but again this is a very personal and subjective thing, and I don't for a second want to question Ted's right to feel that way!!
But I do think to characterize a LMGTFY post which Ted concededs he appreciated was meant as a humorous (regardless of how it was received) as somehow being equivalent to "leaping across a desk and going for his throat" is a little disingenuous to say the least.
This thread has pretty much descended into a witch hunt against Kay and deliberately misrepresenting interactions known to be intended as humour as somehow deliberately vindictive is adding to this incredibly negative tone.
I will not defend Kay's actions in all areas, but I think people here are guilty of massively overreacting, to the determent of all concerned.Apr 3, 2014
- I agree this thread is starting to lose its usefulness, so I'll close it for further comments. If it turns out that Kay and Lennart engage in more bad behaviors, we can call them out in other G+ posts. If this causes them to be more careful in how they interact with other projects and with their users, then all of this will be for the good. And if they create further demonstrations of not playing well with others, maybe you'll better understand the perspective of folks for which this who view this as but one example of a pattern of behavior and not a one-off on their part.Apr 3, 2014
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