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it is official: we have no legal system, unless you are poor.
 
+Rachelle Greene More like the legal system backs the rich and punishes the poor. Copyright cases, for example.
 
all i know is that i grew up to be exactly whom i was told to be, and somehow that makes me a traitor. this country is more frightening, and screwed up than even the counter-culture warned us in the 70's, and i am sick to death of racist, ignorant poorly-educated sacks of crap calling me a traitor.

we corrupt everything we touch.
 
Please explain to me how copyright cases punish the poor.... 
 
+Dylan Saracco How about this: due to copyright laws, the poor cannot afford to read any of the tens of thousands of academic articles written by government employees at taxpayer expense over the last few decades.
 
+Yoram Gat unless, of course, those poor people find their way to a bus line that will take them to a public library, where the subscriptions to databases accessing those scholarly journals are free to library patrons...
 
+Yoram Gat  ....That was a rather pitiful attempt at defending    +Parthiv Vora . I think the argument you were trying to make was that copyrights give the creator of a product a monopoly on their product/idea, therefore the cost of said product is more expensive and cannot be afforded by some. This thought process is entirely erroneous. Without copyrights/patents, entrepreneurs lose the incentive to invest, innovate, and create useful goods/ideas that benefit everyone, as well as themselves financially. When people make a transaction, it is apparent that they value the purchased good rather than the money they spent, otherwise they would not make such a trade. Those products that the "rich" produce are bought by people of all classes. The rich become wealthy because they sell product which everyone else willingly buys because it make their lives easier/ more exciting/ et cetera ... The fact that the poor cannot afford as much as the rich is unfortunate, but is because of the success of many rich people that the general poor population in the U.S. is very well off, especially compared to other countries. (Just about every "poor" family in the U.S. owns a car, house or apartment, refrigerator, PC, internet access, and many other goods which are luxuries in many countries across the world.) +Brandon Arce : how did i do? did i make my point? 
 
the people who produce the copyrighted materials rarely make much money. the publishers make far more than the creators.
 
Suppose so... Usually these trolls at least have something to say, but guess these ones just gave up
 
Or maybe "The Colbert Report" just doesnt have many followers... HAHAHA
 
+Dylan Saracco yeah...i'm sure that's it.

i have been responsible for shutting down many trolls, and i imagine in this case they grew bored, because they were appropriately smacked. i really believe that when sense is made too quickly, they loose the scent of blood.
 
+Rachelle Greene

> unless, of course, those poor people find their way to a bus line that will take them to a public library, where the subscriptions to databases accessing those scholarly journals are free to library patrons...

First, this is simply false. Public libraries generally do not provide access to academic journals. I guess they too cannot afford the exorbitant prices. One would have to gain access to a college or university library in order to get access to whatever journals those libraries happen to have paid for.

Second, even if it were true, what of it? This is like the government saying you cannot own a phone or a TV and you telling me that this is fine because you can go talk on a public phone or watch TV in a bar.

BTW, your rhetorical bravado is pointless. It is a poor substitute to presenting a valid argument.
 
+Dylan Saracco

> I think the argument you were trying to make was that [...]

If you actually read what I wrote you wouldn't have to guess. The argument I made was very specific and not difficult to understand.
 
+Rachelle Greene
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Well played. I can only speak intelligently for so long. When i have to read the nonsense being spewed out by Yoram, i have no choice but to turn it into a joke
 
+Yoram Gat you're not even addressing his argument, sir.
Just go to bed, we're done here. 
 
+Yoram Gat 1) i do not know to which public library system you refer, but the Houston Public Library System not only has access to hundreds (if not thousands) of databases, but one can in fact access those databases from home, given that one has a FREE library card.

2) you are the only person i see here proposing specious arguments.

3) also available from many state universities (across the nation) a member of the public may utilise library resources, as well. at the University of Houston (my alma mater) the public are invited in to utilise our resources--they do not have the right to "check out" materials, but they are free to utilise the databases, as well as hard-copy academic/professional journals.

4) i am wondering what happened to you, to make you so abusive towards people you have never met, whose experiences are not the same as yours, as well as the need to right. i am a psychologist, so in truth, i do have some idea, but i try not to shrink people unnecessarily--it is too easy, and absolutely uninteresting.

5) "Second, even if it were true, what of it? This is like the government saying you cannot own a phone or a TV and you telling me that this is fine because you can go talk on a public phone or watch TV in a bar," is a nonsensical statement; i'm not certain that you completely understand the combinations of consonants and vowels you have chosen.
 
+Rachelle Greene

Full text access through my library - the Palo Alto public library - is minimal. There is access to the Gale Academic OneFile database that purports to provide access to "thousands of journals", but in reality the coverage is very spotty, and, of course, includes only Gale titles. The situation in the San Francisco public library is about the same.

I doubt that the situation in Houston, or most other public libraries, is any better. If Harvard, for example, cannot afford access to academic journals, what chance do public libraries have:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/apr/24/harvard-university-journal-publishers-prices

Access through public university branches may be possible - I am not sure. In any case for most people this would involve driving long distances (from Palo Alto I would have to drive to Santa Cruz or to San Francisco, both about an hour away), so it is clearly not a reasonable substitute to free access.

(As for the rest of your comment, it bears no connection to reality and merits no response.)
 
i'm from SoCal, and have lived in many different american cities/towns across the US, as well as the California Coastline. Palo Alto (please forgive my blunt delivery) is a one-horse town, and cannot possibly have the same tax-base as the fourth largest city in the nation. my local library system has a budget beyond anything Palo Alto could muster.

you appear to be very solipsistic in your logic, which is a fatal flaw. the entire universe is not a reflection of your experiences and knowledge.
 
"As for the rest of your comment, it bears no connection to reality and merits no response" is not an appropriate response simply because you lack the intelligence to construct a legitimate argument. That type of rhetoric is why this country (especially politically) is falling apart.
 
+Dylan Saracco what ever gets ya through the night.

i am extraordinarily eloquent, when i wish to be, and i said what i did because i know by your comments that you are a true believer; and as such, completely closed to the possibility that you are in fact mistaken.

i am in no way motivated to change your mind, nor anyone else's. i see no point in going 'round, and 'round--that is most definitely not debate, and it is not even discourse. it is an exercise in self-loathing. 
 
+Rachelle Greene: I'm sorry i wasn't clear. I totally recognize the legitimacy of your argument, and i would tend to agree with your last point about myself, but the way Yoram makes his argument is nonsense and when people say the type of things i quoted above, it drives me crazy.
 
you do realise that the statement to which you refer was meant for that yorum person?

i was specifically aiming at him, but neglected to tag him, thereby making it obvious to whom i was speaking.

no hard feelings.
 :)
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