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Internal videos show Microsoft released its Kin phones knowing they sucked - http://tcrn.ch/TcuNXe
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Their phones sucked? Wouldn't that make them "average" for the market?
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But... the WP8 phones... ROCK!  Just got my new Nokia Lumia 822 ... Love It!
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My dad currently uses a Kin2
 
This is while ill never buy a Microsoft phone or tablet..garbage
 
Just like their OS.  A relic from the late 90's
 
Its hard to trust any newly released MS product.  Even the much-loved Windows XP needed three service packs before it was truly stable.  And how many times have they screwed over users and developers by launching a new desktop or mobile API leaving all previously written code unusable?  Forms anyone?
 
Yes +Phil Nolan, NTFS was Window's peak and was instantly irrelevant.  Microsoft needs to take a hint from Apple and throw a skin on a real OS ( +Sean Wood not that I'm an Apple fan, just illustrating a point ;)
 
Thats it for me, unfollowing this bunch of apple lovers...
 
+Kevin M the Lumia looks like some great hardware.  I have a suspicion it would rock even more with a different OS, but I do intend to try one out.
 
Microsoft need to earn some profit form somewhere.. I think now this is the only way they got now...
 
I think we all know the Kin Phones were a complete flop, but c'mon, the new Windows Phone 8's aren't really all that bad. I'm a Phandroid through-and-through, but I would take a Windows Phone over a piece of iCrap any day. :-)
 
Still, the square one has an innovative design. At least they tried. 
 
If you don't dare to make mistakes, you will never succeed.
 
I remember these terrible things and how they were being pushed hella hard in Pretty Little Liars, when it first premiered. 
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This the time when blackberry is the smartphone 
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Wasn't MS reaching for teens who only wanted to text & talk & do social? They had a surprise though because the rise of real smart phones came during that same time. Not such a bad idea, just bad timing. 
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+Chris Bateman +Michael Babcock  ... I had a WP7 and it was good.  I now have the Nokia 822 WP8 and I LOVE It!  My coworker has had iphones, multiple android, last was a Galaxy note... he just switched to a Nokia Lumia 920 from AT&T... he loves it!
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