It's pretty simple. If you buy a retail, consumer PC with Windows 8 from any vendor, not just HP, you're pretty much stuck with Windows 8. Moral of the story: Unless Windows 8 is really what you want--God knows why--don't buy PCs with Windows 8.
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- It is good in way. It is time people take sides. Fence sitters will be kicked to hell on the other side or showered with love on FOSS side !Nov 10, 2012
- I had no trouble installing Red Hat Linux on my W530. I had to change a BIOS setting to allow it to boot normally rather than the "lock-up" mode of Windows 8. Using a USB stick, it took about 15 minutes to install Linux and have a working system.Sep 19, 2013
- yeah, UEFI on a PC is pretty easily bypassable now. But it makes discount-priced Surface RT's worthless, as very few have managed to get past the more restrictive UEFI on those. BTW, as I understand it, Redhat was actually given the clearance to boot from via UEFI, many in the community weren't happy that they chose to deal with the devil. ;-)Sep 19, 2013
- Keep in mind that Linux users have been buying Windows machines and installing Linux on them since 1991. There are many legal advantages to doing so. For example, purchasing a machine that has Windows preinstalled means you are licenced for Windows. Linux users can install Linux and then install Windows in a virtual machine such as a VMWare image or KVM image and have the best of both worlds.
Tablets are a different story. Most manufacturers offer Linux (Android) tablets or Windows tablets, and the design is such that the Android tablets are unable to run Windows and vice versa. This is to prevent Microsoft from claiming that 10% of the Android tablets are really running Windows and the OEM now has the option of paying full price ($300+) for Windows on 10% of their inventory or a deeply discounted price ($10-$30) per device for 110% of their inventory, with the provision that Windows MUST be installed on each machine they produce before it is shipped. This is what happened in the NetBook/OLPC market.
The ARM chip was used for Android tablets to make it impossible to install Windows 7 on them. When Microsoft introduced Windows 8 tablets for the ARM chips, manufacturers wanted to make sure that Windows 8 could not be loaded onto the Android devices. Microsoft wanted to be sure that the Windows 8 devices couldn't be loaded with Linux.
The strategy may have backfired, since Windows8 tablets are not as popular as expected, and Android tablets are still the largest percentage of new device sales.
Apple's devices are the most profitable, Antroids are also very profitable, but Windows 8 price erosion and excessive hardware requirements have made profits a bit "iffy".Sep 21, 2013
- I'm pretty sure Microsoft says that your license is for the hardware. I believe they say that you must purchase another license for the vm. I don't give a rat's Ballmer myself, I use the same oem xp install on a dozen different machines. But just pointing out that Microsoft makes it effectively impossible to stay 100% legal. Who cares.Sep 21, 2013
- Actually, your windows license says you can only use Windows on that device. Microsoft tried to add a clause forbidding VMs but PC makers and corporate customers made it clear that if they bought Windows with the machine they expected to be able to use Windows as a VM. Otherwise they would start selling/ordering machines with NO operating system, install Linux themselves and Microsoft might not be installed at all.
Letting customers use Windows VMs kept Microsoft in the marketplace.Oct 26, 2013