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No, it'll be decided the way all recent presidential elections have been: by how much voter suppression and fraud the GOP manages to get away with.
 
To win a GOP  candidate has to win all nine “tossup” state and one solidly Blue state.
Thus, in the next, and into the foreseeable future, Presidential elections will be decided in the Democratic Primary. What are the chances that a Republican candidate capable of appealing to the increasingly right wing GOP will appeal to enough Democrats to win in tossup and Blue states?
A GOP strategist, columnist at the Houston Chronicle who goes by the handle GOPLifer, Chris Ladd, has declared that t...
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+Steve S Yes, and they are excellent at cheating.  It's main feature of the party..
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For anyone keeping track, this is a reshare of the thread where +Noel Yap lost his debate. You can skip to the bottom to see the summary.

I've had to block 4 libertarians so far. I'm entirely willing to block them all.
 
Ok, this is a pointless thread for +Noel Yap to respond, and only him. You can /sub, but anything else will get deleted, as will the people who post them. You have been warned.
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+Arthur Brownlee IV I did. Follow the threads.
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Slavery by another name.
 
I am a citizen of a nation in which slavery is legal. 

That’s a very hard thing for me to say, and a harder thing still to hear. Hard for me to say, because I have lived my life fighting for the idea that all citizens of our country are equal. Of course, I’ve always had the privilege of having white skin to hide me from the truth. Harder still to hear, because in a nation where slavery is accepted, no one is ever truly a free citizen. 

But I can’t hide from the truth anymore. Even the UN Report on Human Rights in the United States pulled no punches when released last week. 

http://www.upr-info.org/sites/default/files/document/united_states/session_22_-_may_2015/a_hrc_wg.6_22_l.10.pdf

I’m a lifelong, passionate student of history, and dreamer of the future. The song Imagine was released just before my birth. Born to an anti-Vietnam War hippie mom, who surely sang along to me in my crib the words of her favorite musician. I grew up listening to stories of those who had fought long and hard for equality. I read everything I could get my hands on about the struggles of this country to truly represent the freedom and rights enshrined in our laws. 

Slavery was stricken as constitutionally legal with the 13th Amendment. Yet the text itself left former slave owners with everything they needed to ensure they could continue prospering under the enforced labor of others. 

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

The system continued with Jim Crow laws. The “former” slaves were kept indebted to the land in the form of sharecropping. Requiring them to only get goods and seeds from the store associated with the landowner, and pay it off at the end of each growing season kept them too poor to leave. And if they did think about leaving, that’s when the laws against certain jobs, living in certain areas, shopping in certain places all applied. It was oh so easy to keep slavery going, because they had the force of law. A black man unknowingly breaking a Jim Crow law would find himself either lynched or imprisoned for a very long term. Almost certainly to work on a chain gang. 

And those prison jobs have always benefited the small local county sheriffs and police. They used the prisoners to staff their homes, care for their yards, and do labor for associates. While any profits were immediately pocketed by the police or sheriff. 

When Jim Crow officially ended, it was still decades before many could vote, or take any rights of citizens. 

But that pesky line in the 13th Amendment stayed there. 

The same sheriffs and police that fought to keep Jim Crow alive and well never left their cash cow behind. They stayed in office, and simply continued their normal practices. 

As a result, we now have a country that imprisons a far greater percent of our population than any other. That uses terms like “stop and frisk” as an acceptable practice to continue the enslavement and unfair imprisonment. 

You might say “Oh, what’s the harm in checking someone to see if they’re breaking the law?”. 

The harm comes in the violation of their 4th Amendment rights against illegal search and seizure. And in the overwhelmingly hard-handed use of these tactics against people of color. Even in “liberal” areas like the Bay Area.

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_28084891/sjpd-data-show-san-jose-cops-detained-greater

A young white man is just as likely to be carrying marijuana as a young black man. Yet that young black man is many more times likely to be arrested for it. 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/06/04/the-blackwhite-marijuana-arrest-gap-in-nine-charts/

We’ve grown our prisons for many reasons. For profit prisons are thriving, and have created a huge lobby. That lobby does much to push for “mandatory sentencing”, to ensure that minor crimes or even victimless crimes are punished far longer--so there is more profit per prisoner to be had. 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/04/28/how-for-profit-prisons-have-become-the-biggest-lobby-no-one-is-talking-about/

Private prisons especially, but also many publicly run ones are continuing to be heavily used for their free/cheap labor. Your business have call center needs you don’t want to pay much for, or outsource overseas? Here’s the place for you! They even take the time to point out to racists that these prisoners speak English!! And their services include a great note Furthermore our agent turnover rate is less than half of the industry norm and the absenteeism rate is practically zero. Because there’s no such thing as a sick day or personal day in prison, and the average prison term is longer than most people can tolerate working in a call center environment outside the prison industry. 
http://www.convictionleads.com/services/

The Sheriff’s Union and Police Unions continue to rake in their profits, and have absolutely no incentive to hand over power. And since prosecutors depend on police cooperation to do their jobs, the police don’t get prosecuted for breaking the laws and violating civil rights of citizens. When citizens do try and speak up about the injustice, its easy to shut them down when you control all the power. 

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/05/06/3654931/sheriffs-threaten-cut-off-prisoner-phone-calls-cant-get-kickbacks

Slavery is, and always has been, a monetary system. There’s huge profit in enforced labor. Black lives in this country have only mattered as far as the monetary gain that can be stolen from their labor. 

And the answer to young black men and others of color is still the same as what it was for Jim in To Kill a Mockingbird. If you refuse to be stopped and imprisoned, if you refuse to be held any longer for crimes you haven’t committed, but merely for the color of your skin, that’s an immediate death penalty offense. 

Slavery or death. That’s the inevitable choice of people of color in the US. 
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These days, more than ever, a young person needs life preparation from birth. If your parents don't read bedtime stories, you'll enter the game behind those whose parents have. 

You'd better have what it takes to develop valued skills, too, if you want to make a living, which means you better have some talent.

This was true for the post-war baby boomers. It holds even more strongly now.
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Hard to summarize, hence worth reading for yourself. +Cory Doctorow has a clue.
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+Paul Hosking Yes, that's why I mentioned it. Some of his novels seem purely like excuses to talk about ideas. Others have ideas but aren't just skeletons.
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Whoa. Sure, 80 is just a token amount, but it's starting to look like the lame duck version of Obama is more liberal and has a spine.
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Doh! Part of my so-called "brain" hiccuped when you said "Patrick Henry", +Steve S. It was no doubt yelling at the rest of my neurons to stop, but they failed to heed.

You shouldn't play these tricks on us old folks. It's just mean ;-)

(If I were a dishonorable person, I'd delete the comment that reveals my ignorance.)
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Democracy itself is under attack, largely by the Republican party. Gerrymandering is one of their main voter suppression techniques.
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+Terry Power Thank you for reminding me how stupid Mensa members are.
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TIL: The Civil War was about slavery.

Oh, wait, I've always known that. It's just amazing that some people (almost exclusively ignorant bigots) keep denying it.
 
I just watched this terrific documentary about Reconstruction. I still find it appalling that there are still people who will fight you when you say that the Civil War was about slavery! "Oh NO, NO, No, it was about States' Rights, NOT SLAVERY!" What idiots!! Ya, States' Rights meaning that you want your state to have the right to say that we will continue to keep Black people in slavery because we have that right! 

It also amazes me that people who think they have a brain in their head continue with this whole, "Lost Cause" bullshit!! You will see in this documentary, an idiot named James G. Marston III, who is the descendant of an ardent racist S.O.B. talk about how proud he is of his ancestors and the "White Counsel" (I believe that's the name). Just a fore-runner of the KKK. 

I know that the South gave numerous reasons for their starting the Civil War but it is only about one thing-Slavery. Finally, in the last ten years, more colleges and universities are finally understanding this and cutting through the bullshit. More and more I see lectures and the lecturers are saying that when it comes down to it, the war was about slavery.

Every Southerner who stands behind the Civil War is responsible for every death that happened in that war!! Plain and simple! Because they could have kept it from happening. All they had to say was, "You know what? We WIL stop treating Black people like dogs and scum. Yes, will will decide to become human beings and free all these slaves because it's the way HUMAN BEINGS treat others! It will also stop a war that might kill hundreds of thousands of people on both sides. Yes folks, the South is responsible for every single death that happened in the Civil War! They could have kept it from happening!! 
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And this is why I blocked Yap after I defeated him in debate.
 
This discussion is to talk about +Steve S 's dishonesty. Just like the rules he has on his threads, anything that supports him will be deleted. And just as with his threads, any unsupported claim about him can be made.
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I didn't follow the dust up between the two of you, but I did hop over to Mr. Yaps page and I got a good idea of what happened. Vast difference in the depth of subject.
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How to be less evil.
 
"What Google’s doing, in these cases, is using its deep pockets in the interest of broader social ends, with seemingly little concern for short-term returns. This strategy has historical precedent. In the early years of the American republic, there was little appetite for government spending on public works, like roads and canals. But the country needed better roads to facilitate the growth of trade and commerce. So the states turned to private companies, which built turnpikes that they then operated as toll roads. In the late 18th and early 19th centuries, hundreds of these companies invested millions of dollars in laying thousands of miles of road, in effect providing the basic infrastructure for travel in the United States.

What’s interesting about these companies is that while they were, in theory, for-profit, and while they had shareholders, in most cases there was no expectation that they would actually turn a profit in operating the roads—tolls were kept low enough to encourage traffic and commerce. Instead, the shareholders—who were typically local merchants and manufacturers—saw their investments in turnpikes as a way to collectively provide a public good that, not incidentally, would also deliver benefits to them as business owners and consumers. They knew, of course, that other businesses would benefit from these roads even if they didn’t invest in them (the nature of a public good being that everyone can use it). But that didn’t mean the investment wasn’t worth making. It’s hard not to see a similar logic underlying much of what Google does"

h/t +Chris Jones​
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+Steve S Hmm, but "war on X" is to mobilizing, more so that "portfolio of legislative strategies to ameliorate X." 
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Not to gainsay my bosses, but this is really simple: the only reason we're still working so many hours and but getting paid less is that the difference is going somewhere other than to us. Where? Look up! It's the top part of the 1% that these two are in.
 
"""[Keynes'] essay looks at exactly this point: when will we actually be able to supply everyone’s needs with not all that much work? He thought it would be some 15 years or so from now and we’d all be working 15 hour weeks. Simply because productivity would have advanced so much that that’s all we would need to work.

And this usually brings out the people shouting about why it hasn’t happened yet. But the thing is that is has happened, just not in quite the manner that everyone thought it would."""

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2014/07/07/googles-larry-page-on-the-40-hour-work-week-jm-keynes-got-there-first/
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I knew this was coming since I read about computers and industrial robots in 1958. The book speculated that automation would eliminate most routine factory and clerical work, and predicted that the displaced workers would have a difficult time. It also predicted that skilled labor would become ever more valuable. Both have since come to pass.

Even worse, class lines have hardened. If you have the bad luck to be born into an impoverished environment (note: this does not necessarily mean poor, it means an environment lacking the resources to prepare young people to learn the necessary skills), you have very little chance of making it into the professional class. I saw what it took to raise my son. Most children, even rich kids, lack the support that we were happy to give.

Much of the middle class and some of the professional class have been automated away. Even the stock traders took a hit when the stock exchanges decimalized, and knocked the spread down from a point (12.5 cents) to a penny. 

Also, trading software failed because the dummies who wrote it used floating point to represent currency. Let's not get me started on that.
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Electric cars offer full torque from 0. This leads to amazing acceleration at the low end.
 
"Because sensory response can’t always be trusted, we checked with our instruments, which showed that the Tesla had reached 30 mph in one and one-third seconds. That’s an unheard-of acceleration rate in a street-legal car. In our tests, no other “normal” car has reached that velocity that quickly, and in that few feet."


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Not in the long term, +Steve S, but as I say, I think it's a meaningful half-step for the vehicles that do the most miles and have the lowest fuel efficiency numbers. Add to that the fact many are in urban areas, and it's a win. 
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