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Ubuntu wants carriers to have more control?!

"Our strategy includes giving carriers and manufacturers ways of delivering services in conjunction with us -- we plan to give them more influence."

Because what they did to Android was so great, we need more of this!

I think Ubuntu Phone is a really cool idea.Unity is well suited to this form factor.  It will likely be totally opensource, and they'll be able to leverage the huge variety of opensource software available for Linux by simply compiling it for ARM. They've got the potential to make more inroads than at least Windows Phone on that point alone. Unfortunately, I think they've totally misread their potential customer base.
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+Steve Kondik it looks like so

I was unclear about it so I clearly asked, "can you simply run apt-get update and install the latest version? Or will it be totally controlled by OEMs?" Bacon's response left nothing to imagination, "Likely to be controlled by OEMs and updates are likely to be service pack type updates as opposed to package updates as they go over the air and air costs money. Again, up to the OEMs how they deliver these."
The push for a 3rd phone system is driven by the carriers.  Catering to the carriers is a good way to make sure that your product is given serious consideration.
I don't see why Ubuntu couldn't start this in a small way, the way Google did with Android and T-Mobile. When the G1 came out, the word spread amongst us Linux geeks (because of the connection to the system) and to those who wanted some alternative to the iPhone. I don't think Google had any idea how Android was going to explode on the market.

So, why can't the Ubuntu folks find a manufacturer, maybe one struggling to keep up with the HTCs, Samsungs, Apples and other device makers, and build a prototype. Make it an unlocked GSM device, make it LTE capable, perhaps even multi-channel capable on HSPA+ so it works with T-Mo and AT&T in the US. T-Mobile is pushing their no-contract plans pretty hard, and a device that worked on their network might have some interest to some of their would certainly interest me.

Maybe I'm way off on this, but why not?
I am sure all we need to do is just to recompile Linux KDE and GTK desktop software for ARM and it will run nicely on a phone ... not.
It's actually a shrewd business move on their part.  As much as we all wish it weren't so, the carriers are a huge barrier to entry in the phone world.  For something like ubuntu to be more than a niche product for nerdy people like us, they need to appeal to the people who are going to put the phones to market.  

I'm not saying I like it -- I don't.  But right now, the carriers actually are the customers.
Non-tech people get the iPhone and Windows Phones cause they are "easy" to use and the platform is pretty stable. Tech folks want more control so they get Android. (Sweeping generalizations I know). So I dont see where their niche is here?  Unless these things are super easy to unlock and they get a ton of XDA support, I dont see myself ever getting this.  I dont know who would.
From what I'm gathering it looks like Ubuntu is trying to move more towards a feature phone style release at least initially so sadly deep carrier integration makes sense (assuming that is their goal).
non-tech people are getting Android because that is what their phone salesman sells them as an upgrade to their existing feature phone. And phone salesmen do not like to sell Windows phones it seems.
Give a carrier ubuntu and you'll end up with crapuntu...
Mobile carriers are like like technology intestines. It where good stuff goes in, and shit comes out.
+Swapnil Bhartiya working for a Carrier (on the tech side) I can assure you folks are getting Windows Phones, but no they are not that popular.  More so than Blackberry though :-)
+Vladimir Pantelic And sales folks are often pushed to sell Android over iPhone since the carriers lose money when they sell them.
Carriers make manoney. They are business. Canonical need to give them a platform for their need. Or will be a kind of openmoko reborn. They need make money to. Canonical is not a charity entity. They are a busness.
Heh... Unless it can use the apps from Android, blackberry, iPhone or windows mobile, it will fail. Same with the Firefox OS. The mobile OS landscape is already so fragmented that existing developers won't want to support an app on yet another device...

Google announced they won't spend the time to build apps for windows RT until it gains more popularity. What's that tell you when a big business that has the money, isn't going to spend it where they won't see a return? What about the smaller businesses who are already maxed with developers writing for the two main OS's? As a business owner, I wouldn't waste the money on writing my apps for a couple of OS's that combined, might make up 10% of the overall share. Waste of time and money. The Ubuntu OS, just like the Firefox OS, will remain as hobbiest OS's.
carriers are like a dictatorship, they are always looking for a way to make it "better" for the people. In reality, the carriers are looking for ways to make more money. I am sure ubuntu was contacted by the bigs and promised the moon if they delivered.
Here is what happens when the carriers control.
-updates come months, sometimes up to a year if at all. Why would they want to give an old phone the latest when you can come in and buy another?
-isis wallet. this is a huge (potential) money make for the carriers if and when it ever is released. What is the hold up? Google wallet works brilliantly and I will never use isis. So maybe this summer, the people on locked unrooted phone will get to use a technoligy that I have enjoyed for 2 years?
-lets be honest, the best coders are not going to go to work for the carriers, they are at google, samsung, etc.
I really don't care, I have always bought unlocked phones and I don't ever plan on changing. I cannot believe all the crapware that comes on these phones. 
The only worthy crapware app is tmobiles wifi calling. period.
maybe they see this as a good strategy to get a good boost in the beginning since they are joining very late in the game.. But they will make it in a way that it will be very easy for the communities to remove all that crap carriers put in the devices. Although not all users will go through the trouble of removing it (as is the case for android), those who want, could do it.. at least that is what i am hoping..
More control?  Thanks but no thanks, Canonical.
I think Canonical is selling a technology looking for a business problem.  That never works.
Giving carriers more control = recipe for epic failure.
I love Ubuntu but Ubuntu phone is going to be DOA. 
that's some seriously sad news
Ubuntu seems to think they are a big company with a huge userbase, so that's how they treat their customers. We really need a new goto linux distro.
Ubuntu are the Samsung of Linux. Unity is the TouchWiz of desktops.

It makes complete sense that they would give up any geek credit they have in exchange for business success.
It is sad the Prime Evils have so much control. But it is somewhat necessary because that's who the general public goes to. 
+Matthew Niederberger  I think its fair to say that relatively speaking, Ubuntu does have a huge user base.  Even though Unity and the Amazon advertisement debacle are fairly easy problems to rectify, Canonical managed to alienate and push away a significant portion of their users.  Taking away root, pre-installed and un-removable bloat/pollution will make the Ubuntu phone just another phone.
Well, how do you make it open source and not give carriers more control over what they release?

Also, it's likely the only way for a platform at this point to gain adoption.
An that's where Ubuntu mobile will fail.. 
If it's so then for me is clear, no Ubuntu phone. I love Ubuntu desktop
+Chris Declama I'm talking so large that they don't have to care about tinkerers anymore. However that's almost their entire user base. They haven't reached the point where the average user matches up with the average consumer who probably wouldn't care.
Unless they make their own open-source hardware, this project is gonna be a fail if they let manufacturers or carriers control it.
There seems to be a real disconnect going on in not being real about the fact that carrier customization isn't something that adds value, it's something that is imposed on customers to exploit them.
What carriers did among other things is spend gazillions on promoting the shit out of Android handsets like the G1, myTouch 3G, Motorola Droid and a host of other handsets during the period when Android was crap that rarely sold itself. Canonical wants to leverage the same mechanism to bring Ubuntu Phone to end users. Almost every attempt to promote a device independently has resulted in a failure, including the last Nexus where stock is being distributed to carriers as we speak instead of being sold on the Play Store. Therefore Canonical has a sound strategy to build a brand name that could give it more leverage in the long run. 
After Google takes firmer stance on unwanted Android customizations carriers might want to find themselves a new bitch.
I don't like the direction Canonical is taking Ubuntu in at all.

I was a long time user of their desktop version.  I'm now a very happy Linux Mint user.

Because of what has happened with the Desktop version I wouldn't even consider trying the phone version.

Once a company has lost your 'heart', your 'mind' will soon follow.  That's when you become an ex-customer.

I would say that it's almost impossible for a company to reverse that situation especially in the market that Canonical is in due to the zero cost of jumping ship.
Tend to agree +Andy Higgins Canonical seem to be showing their true colours.. I've since also abandoned Ubuntu for Archlinux.
Sad fact of the phone market. You don't sell to consumers, you sell to carriers. I will be buying SIM free next time, doubt the market will shift any time soon but would be awesome if it did. 
+Steve Kondik I think you misunderstood something here. Canonical wants to offer carriers to implement "features" for them. This means Canonical will take care of that and updates which means compared to Android, updates should be available to all users pretty fast. The open source nature of Ubuntu will give users the opportunity to make adjustments though. I doubt, they would force crap on the users like some carriers do on Android.I am expecting stuff like special lenses like the Amazon shopping lense. You can easily remove that yourself. If it turns out to be just that, I am ok with that. I doubt, they would risk to piss users off straight away.
Well this idea is just full of fail now....way to miss your target demographic +Ubuntu .....this makes me want to wipe my PC just to be spiteful.
If anything, the carriers have too much control as is. They need less, preferably none. 
It sounds like spin on what they must admit is the only way Ubuntu Phone will ever gain traction. Sounds dead in the water.
I doubt they actually think this is good for consumers. Most likely they are just looking to monetize. 
As nice as Ubuntu phone seems, I don't think it will do well outside of the techy people. 90 percent of consumers have no clue what Linux is. 
First says 'Mozilla's not a competitor because they have only web apps'... then later says 'services will span versions because they'll be web based' (I'm paraphrasing). Good consistency there.
I'm sorry but Ubuntu on my phone is not interesting enough for me. If I want desktop linux abilities on a mobile platform I'm looking at meego/sailfish OS. A carrier controlled device is why we (most of us) android geeks prefer the nexus line of devices. I'd rather have Ubuntu dock/desktop running on my android device as an alternative like we saw canonical demo on the galaxy nexus when it was docked. 
Very sad. I was actually looking forward to seeing how this would end up. Not now. 
Unfortunately every new phone OS needs to kiss some carrier arse to get their foot in the door. Particularly now there are two dominant platforms already covering the mostly-closed and mostly-open bases. Without this lip service Ubuntu won't get a look in.
True that. Carriers will only slow updates down.
Ubuntu had the taste of undead blood , now it wants to suck everyone dry , what i want is maximum security FROM my service provider , not more of their tentacles in my devices , this is the #1 reason i DO NOT carry a telco provided handset 
they need market share to be relevant. Most people are used to buy phone at a low price using carrier's subscription. Google did the same with Android. Chill out, fellas :) 
Boo. Carriers are worse than Satan and they are getting more power everyday. :-( 
carriers ? low price ? show me where in canada you can combine those words in a meaningfull sentence
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