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Setting Device Expectations

Let’s start with the simplest form of this: CyanogenMod does not pre-announce support or lack of support for devices. Ever. Even for the Nexus 4, we did not announce support until a nightly build was available. Further, any announcement regarding the ‘dropping’ of device support will be communicated via this Google+ page, Twitter, Facebook, our blog, or a combination of those; it will not be something buried in a forum post. 

This morning, a comment from a CM collaborator on XDA was taken to be as an ‘absolute’ in regards to support of the S4. He offered the opinion of four TeamHacksung maintainers, their frustrations and lack of interest in supporting the S4. What’s seemingly lost on those reading this is that his comments as an individual do not speak for CyanogenMod as an organization. 

As for the team’s stance on the S4, there isn’t one at this time, and most definitely won’t be one before the device is sold at retail. 

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Glad to hear this. But I'm still not convinced that GS4 is a phone worth any sort of modification. It seems that Sony is the way to go these days as there appears to be a serious lack of community involvement from Samsung. The company is so large and distributed that it is difficult to get word to people who can make changes. Their source code gets released partially and causes so many problems that I'm not even interested in trying to compile it anymore. The interesting things to work with are left without APIs and there is no Samsung Apps pack to replace functionality lost when switching to CM. 
 
Makes sense. From what I've seen Cyanogenmod is basically the sum total of the contributions make. If you want to be certain of a port to your favorite device all you need to do is write it. That's how just about every FOSS project works. 
 
I really hope this is your roundabout way of telling us Samsung is planning to publish Exynos documentation.
 
Unrelated, last August I dropped CM10 on a galaxy s3 and it was so incredibly stable that I never updated it.

Last night I decided it was time to go 10.1 on the device so from the device I pulled the update, rebooted, wiped and installed.

All in all it took about 7 minutes and was so incredibly painless. I didn't need a computer and things seem super stable on last night's nightly.

Kudos to you guys for making this stuff so awesome and easy to use. 
 
Well said and all praises to the positive spirit of CM team. But the uncertainity still remains.. There has been no 10.1 stable or even M Snapshot for i9300. So, as long as samsung doesnt release Exynos SC, S4 will suffer the same fate as i9300 or even worse perhaps :( It may get some nightlies and remain somewhat half baked till EOLd someday.
 
+Eric Frederich Yes, and it has been for quite some time. File a bug if it's not working for you, and be sure to list your hardware.
 
+Adam Outler Exynos 5 should be much better than before. Time will tell, I guess. I've only really worked with the Qualcomm stuff, which is great and I plan to support the USA GS4 model myself. And if you are talking about S-Pen stuff, that's all supported just fine by AOSP. It's just that nobody is building stuff for it besides Samsung.
 
+Steve Kondik I'm more concerned with the proprietary extensions. Things like every new, cool feature of the GS4. Things like zoom on GCam... Face recognition, beauty shot, macro.. You lose these things with CM... Yeah, its all Samsung proprietary stuff, but I can't bring myself to mod a device if I lose functionality... Fashion/functionality decisions... I think a Samsung Apps pack would be a good thing. 
 
+Adam Outler There are many of those proprietary things that people don't care about.  Also, things that DO merit implementation usually get done, at least if the developers don't spend all their time fighting the platform.

Qualcomm-based GS4s will likely be OK.  Exynos-based GS4s are a big unknown, as Steve said only time will tell, but I would personally not be remotely surprised if the situation to be even worse than it is now.  At least the Exynos 4412 could leverage a lot of the work done on 4210 and vice versa.  The Exynos 5410 is going to be an almost entirely new chip.  The transition from Mali to PowerVR for GPU is likely to result in a significant reduction in the viability of the Nexus 10 reference source for 5250.
 
I voided the warranty on my Note and installed CM as soon as there was a nightly for it. Did I miss the Samsung extras? Nope.
 
+Steve Kondik glad to hear it. I already ditched my d2tmo for a Nexus 4. CM 9 was great on the d2tmo but it once the CM10 BT bug hit it seemed like forever (though it was probably only like a month or something)
 
+Adam Outler The whole point here is to make something awesome on our own, and give everyone the freedom to make more awesome stuff with it. If you want that stuff, build it!
 
Yeah.. I was looking for documentation on the GCam because I wanted to make a desktop microscope out of it. I want macro mode, zoom, and VNC. unfortunately I can't figure it out because they're undocumented APIs and closed features. I guess I could try to work with smali and try to port it... But I don't work in Somali well. 
 
+Adam Outler don't know much about the GS4 but none of the GS3 proprietary stuff was worth keeping except maybe the thing that keeps your screen from turning off when you're looking at it
 
+Eric Frederich and the auto-rotate feature where it won't rotate if you keep your head aligned with the camera. 
 
You could also take it from a user perspective +Adam Outler , and that is just how easy it is for users of CM to root/flash most Samsung phones (that aren't on Verizon, obviously). To that point, at least development time is not wasted in finding bootloader exploits, etc. (again, when not on Verizon).

We'll never get that perfect manufacturer Adam, at least not soon anyway. We forget how young this market really is, and until they run out of ideas, OEMs are going to wall things off. But it won't always be that way. Eventually community collaboration will be necessity in order to make their ideas flourish. They just have to wake up and see it first.

Now, I don't know how Sony treats things, or how well they document, (I work for Sprint so my exposure is nonexistent), but if you told me they are more cooperative, then I would say I'm not surprised. They're not exactly killing it in the smartphone market right now, or any for that matter. Seems like a good play to me.
 
I'm not a Sony fan and I can't give examples publicly of just how involved they are, but let's say they are SERIOUSLY involved. I expect big things from Sony this year. 
 
Why would you buy a phone like the s4 if your interested in stable versions of projects like CyanogenMod ROM?
 
They skipped the part about how Samsung sucks though. And let's face it, they do. Tons of developers working very hard for free get kicked in the teeth for no good reason. I'm not buying Samsung. Many android fans will be boycotting them. Good luck with tizen corporate douche bags! Go work for somebody else Steve. You're better than this! 
 
Andrew Dodd's story of being an Exynos maintainer does say a lot though. I sold my Galaxy S3 (international) for a Nexus 4.
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