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Wow, just wow. I have no problem with the government or my employer - or anyone else for that matter - reviewing my public posts. But to demand access to my private posts?

I'll be keeping a tight eye on how schools address this so I can properly prepare my sons as they grow up. They have a right to a private personal life and I want them to understand what they'd be giving up by giving in to this.

Wrong, wrong, wrong on so many levels.
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Can you imagine the sheer amount of peer pressure is being placed on these people? Want the job, etc.? Login now. If it's behind a privacy wall, it's none of their business.
 
Someone needs to make a Facebook overlay that fakes a friends only feed.
 
That's disgusting - but not surprising.
 
Its getting out of control. There is a company that was approved to save all you public post and use it as part of background checks for employers cant remember the name right now. Its all very disgusting.. What if you say you dont have a facebook? Does that lower you chance to get into the school? SMH
 
All this will do is cause even more people to have multiple accounts...
 
Before you are hired, I suppose they can ask you for anything. You can give it or not. They can give you a job, or not.
 
+Ken Pham I agree, about public posts. But they're demanding access to passwords to see private posts.

+Dan O'Shea I shudder to think what we become when it's acceptable to see access to our private lives just to get a job. Do they also want to bug my phone or my house?
 
It's not the job you need nor the school you need to go to. Cross them out.
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There is no reason any employer or educational institution could possibly give me that would justify them demanding access to ANY accounts I have on ANY system.

They might as well ask someone to hand over their mobile phone so they can look through Text Messages and Emails, its exactly the same in my eyes.

No placement is worth that violation.
 
Any place that has the gall to ask me for my password can take a hike. You don't want to work (or learn, or even live) at a place that doesn't trust you. Any municipality that tries that is in hot water.

Plus, in many instances they would have information (marital status, religious beliefs, etc.) that would be illegal for them to consider in hiring or other considerations.
 
+Pascal L I've known people that didn't have Facebook and were specifically told they needed an account to be monitored so they could see more personality. I don't mind them looking at my public posts - but to require access to things I've deemed for friends only - well they aren't my friends, they're potential employers/teachers/coaches.
 
I've been through high security military vetting in the past and even then I was never asked for private passwords for those sorts of things.

Its bull shit and its a practice that needs to be stopped in its tracks right now.
 
Wow that is really disturbing. In these times I can't imagine anyone refusing a potential employer, but unless the job requires some kind of security clearance that's just not right.
 
+Stephanie Van Pelt If you apply for a job with a government entity they will demand your password for your social networking accounts before they hire you. So be careful what you post if you are in the job market.
 
Uhh yeah not gonna happen. What I share privately is my choice. Are they next going to require you to record conversations with friends for "quality purposes"?
 
+Stephanie Van Pelt Thing is, these are normally not difficult to crack - the theory that 'anyone who wants to get into your home will, if they want to badly enough' holds here, except many people place the equivalent of a bathroom door lock on their accounts...
 
+Clifford Hamblen I'm not in the job market and am quite content with what I post and where I stand. Even behind a privacy wall, there's nothing posted that would embarrass me. But that is not the point. The point is, we're all entitled to private lives. We need to be cautious with how freely we give them away. I'm concerned that teenagers and college students don't truly understand what they're conceding to by submitting to this type of pressure.

What we state publicly should be up for review when we're interviewing for anything. But we are all entitled to our private thoughts and opinions that we should be able to express to our friends privately. What next? Want access to all my email? How about my phone records? Why are social media accounts treated differently?
 
wrong x 1,000,000 !
 
+John Baker But employers don't demand to see the inside of your home before they hire you. Why should they be in a position to pressure you into sharing your private access to social media, just to get a job? Or be on a sports team?
 
Just like the article stated: "A good analogy for this, in the offline world, would it be acceptable for schools to require athletes to bug their off-campus apartments? Does a school have a right to know who all your friends are?" (and same goes for employers)
 
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+Stephanie Van Pelt this is why we need a healthy job market. Right now most people are afraid to leave a job and employers are taking advantage of their power by cutting benefits and increasing hours and responsibilities. It is difficult for a person to say "no" because there are so many people right now that will say "yes" to pretty much anything. A healthy market will give people the confidence to push back when companies are out of line.

I don't know about the college thing. The process is pretty open to arbitrary decisions so that might require the threat of litigation if that is happening.
 
+Stephanie Van Pelt I am not agreeing with the policy, I am just stating the way it is. As far as I know no one has brought this issue before a court. It would be an interesting challenge. Unfortunately with the job market the way it is many are willing to give up these rights for gainful employment.
 
+Gregg Sakauye & +Clifford Hamblen In the article they mention that the school was forced to remove the requirement for providing a password, but that they changed the policy to make them log in during the interview and show them over the shoulder.

They also mentioned - I believe it was a prison or law enforcement - where they allowed people to say no and proudly stated that 5 of the last 80 hires said no. That is troubling in the extreme.

We need people to talk about this, there needs to be education and conversation. As a group we have to stand for our privacy before it's taken from us completely.
 
I have numerous customers who have given over their credentials or closed their social networking accounts because of policies like this one. It can't be allowed to become accepted practice.

One of my customers told me that she didn't have a facebook account because her sons company (a bank) forbid him and his direct family from having accounts. This seemed a wee bit odd so I did some digging. I discovered that the actual policy was that they had to give them their credentials as part of the hiring process and were then forbidden from using it while at work or post anything related to work. She was effectively cut off from huge portions of her friends and family because of a very badly written HR policy that neither her nor her son completely understood...
 
+Charlie Hoover Exactly. Education, education, education followed by conversation.

I want to teach my kids to have personal and public lives. I want them to understand, at their core, not to be public about work and to filter what they say publicly. But I also want them to have the freedom to interact privately with their friends as they see fit!
 
That's really hard to believe. I believe it, but still. I can't believe they're being this blatant
 
I would not work for an employer who asked this of anyone in their employee, even if it wasn't me.
 
"The athletics department also reserves the right to have other staff members monitor athletes’ posts."

Scratching my head about this one. I know it isn't 4th on the Bill.
 
All that is said and will be said about this, is expected. Our social engagement is a blue print, and a form of your Miranda Rights, if need be. Homeland Security finger prints are socially everywhere when they want it to be. Your information is now your social business card and one day perhaps, become interchangeable with your credit score as well as employment.Things are moving faster than the laws to be made, to offset this invasion of privacy. To the new generation, what we consider privacy, is out of style, and has become more or less, the accepted norm or rules of social engagement. Teach your children and teach them well. Remember the good old days? I wonder sometimes, W>T>F, where is all this going?
 
While I'm not a fan of the current administration, to be honest I don't think any one man can fix our government. It's broken to almost the point of no repair. This article just further proves that. We the people are losing our rights faster than at any time in this great nations history. The road we are on seemingly leads to an area none of us want to go. I just wish somebody or some group had some answers worth even considering, or at least was somewhat of a reality. 
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As an employer, you're not allowed to ask questions or base your hiring on several subjects. These include; race, sex, religion, martial status, or children. I know there are others, but these are actually protected. I find it hard to believe that anyone in their right mind would allow a company or school to have access to their private posts. Are we to forward all emails, voicemails, junk mail, bills, past tax returns or notes from your mother about how you were sick in the 4th grade to all potential employers or schools? I think not. Want to know more about me? Just ask! But I simply will not allow someone to have an unlocked door to my house. Speaking of that...do these folks that ask for this information have their door to their house or vehicle locked? If not, why not? If so, why so? Why would you care? You want access to everything online about me? Then give me the key to your house, your bank PINs, YOUR email, YOUR facebook posts and while you're at it, hand me your phone so I can go through your texts as well. Until that happens, count me out. (rant over)
 
+Shane Brewer I think that many no longer understand the value of our privacy. It's been slowly (or not so slowly) eroded by the advertisers and "frictionless sharing" and such. These students want on their sports teams and cave to the requirements. How many do you think are dependent on sports scholarships to pay for their education? At 18 or 20 or 22 do you truly understand the depth of what you're giving up? Do you think their parents are really savvy enough to understand that Facebook access isn't trivial?

+Jay Moore I agree 100%. We need to keep talking about, keep bringing it up and keep making people feel uncomfortable about it.
 
Sadly it's probably going to take a case of massive abuse to make its way to the Supreme Court before anyone really does anything on the government side...
 
I would rather kill before I would give my Fb password. Secrets, secrets.
 
Luckily I'm in a career where I regularly have access to confidential information and being willing to breach a Terms and Conditions by giving up a password would be a reason not to hire.
 
+Gary Myers So are you saying that if someone was willing to give you their password (s), you would not hire them? Because THAT is awesome.
 
I prefer coworkers who give push back, not say Yes to everything out of fear or apathy.
 
Wow and the government says that annonymous is a terrorist organization? I think the nazi fascists need to look in the mirror!!!
 
The constitution forbids government from doing this - it amounts to a 4th amendment violation. However, that does not cover private contract. We as people must respect our own privacy, or we're going to lose it.
 
Yeah that is way wrong.... "1984" is starting to sound more and more realistic as the years go by....
 
I couldn't agree more with the "1984" societal mentality. Do they stop to think of the constitutional infringement let alone what might happen should someone's friend or a hacker get hold of their account and post something innocuous that would get the account holder in trouble? Too much demand for control of society's private lives these days and it needs to stop.
 
I'm quite sure this is illegal. Just waiting for the first person to sue their employer.
 
We could all just stop posting to these social networks and.... be social, like in person, OMG did I just go there? Talking to people face to face... NOOOOOooooooo!!! How hard we've all strived to hide from people we don't want to talk to by unfriending them and muting them in our circles :)

One advantage though no logs to dig up and you can't hack someone else's identity talking in person. {deep trucker voice}Hi my name is Amanda{/deep trucker voice} :)
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I got in trouble once for encrypting some accounts back when I was involved in BlackHat and I refused to give the encryption key and they didn't like that. My story actually made the news and was a big deal for 2 weeks since I relentlessly refused to give the key to my private files. I fought them tooth and nail and I surprisingly won.
 
As the job market levels out I am wondering if you will see people push back against this nonsense. It is unconscionable that a prospective employer would play off of an applicant's potential desperation to get a job and ask this of someone.
 
+Kamal Tailor I concur. I've had the pleasure of meeting several G+ friends in real life.

+Joe O'Bremski I haven't muted or blocked anyone I know face to face but have definitely used this as an opportunity to build additional friendships based on mutual interests rather than physical proximity.

+Rob M That's awesome that you stood your ground and won. We need more of this.
 
+Google+ This is also a great example of why it's still important to allow fake names, nicknames and similar to allow a certain level of online anonymity. Even with the 1st Amendment there are always people, business's and government that will try and justify why they need to ignore your right to privacy and free speech.
 
I will gladly friend any employer and with face books own security settings keep them from seeing anything I say including any and every public post.
 
That would probably be illegal here in the UK. What happened to the "land of the free" I used to hear about?

I see your Constitution and I'll raise you a Queen.
 
+Jeff LaPointe I have no problem with them viewing public posts or even monitoring them. It's that they require you to reveal you private posts as part of the interview process that I find highly objectionable!
 
I thought, awhile ago, that it'd be useful to have kids set up a decoy account with their real names and update it benignly once a week or so, then use a fake name for their "real" accounts. By giving someone my passwords I'm giving them not only my info buy my friends' privacy. That's just wrong.
 
+Mary Mactavish You need to set it up well before you have to use it. And put some content in at the start. When they look at it a year later, you can just say "I lost interest".
 
Find a different job. That's no place I want to work.
 
Facebook and Twitter are sites where I express some of my strongest opinions so I wouldn't want a college or company having my passwords. I'm incognito on Twitter so I can lie and say I don't have a Twitter account.
 
I deleted my Facebook three months ago because I realized how unsafe it was becoming and I'm just a simple college student! To invade personal privacy is going too far, we shouldn't be forced to run like this!
 
This is BEYOND ridiculous. The gov't already has their hand in too many pies as it is.
 
+Brian Smith If it is illegal, then corporations don't have it either. The problem is, they have got lots of lawyers who can 'prove' it isn't illegal. Once they do that, it is then legal for the government too.
 
This is not your grandfather's country anymore.....too bad huh?
 
They do a lot of illegal. Until we stand up for ourselves they will continue to do so.
 
You don't understand Brian do you, corporations are not like governments, they are like people. So I would not be putting too much faith in the constitutional court backing you up on this one.
 
The problem is that the job market is so bad that many people will say "yes" on the "I've got nothing to hide and I need the job" basis. So our privacy slips away bit by bit ...
 
SO true!I get so sick of Fb because of al the fake accounts,you just dont know whats what anymore,when you think your talking to such n such its actually somone ealse!
 
That is why I'm a dog on the Internet. My real human self is old-school Fortune 500 squeaky clean... if it ever came down to it. But since I am hopelessly unemployable, I just feel very sorry for this generation coming up who thought it was cool to share everything. Us geezers don't look entirely clueless now, does we?

A side note: Having spent about 15 years in Human Resources, all it would take is one person who was forced to login and NOT be offered a job for the EEOC to trigger a lawsuit. Really, there is so much stuff in a Facebook profile that it would be impossible for the company to argue that it did not ask illegal questions. That is why large companies with professional HR departments do not use LinkedIn, FB or any other social networks or video/resumes with photos when recruiting. There is far too much risk for the deep pockets they are paid to protect.
 
Uhh, wow. Well, we've lost the 4th amendment, what's another few?
 
Easily solved, don't work for a company or go to the school that demands this. It'll easily straighten itself out.
 
I will never turn over any passwords to anything that may incriminate me... Perhaps I'm a terrorist, or perhaps, I believe in my 5th amendment rights.
 
First of all, I do believe this is morally wrong, but I don't think the Constitution can defend us here.

It's not our right to have a Facebook account (or any account, in that sense) i think. Correct me if I'm wrong if you think so. Also, you're not forced to work for/attend that company/college. It's your choice. That's why I think you can't oppose this using the Bill of Rights.

I'm no expert at government, but I think it's perfectly legal (but completely immoral).
 
so im gesing they pass pipin and the other law
 
A parallel that comes to mind for me is that the police cannot just barge into your house. You have some form of privacy that protects you from that, unless they can prove to a reasonable degree you are breaking the law and obtain a warrant. I believe the constitution does allow that certain right to privacy and we should be able to expect a certain amount of privacy because of it. After all, this country was founded more or less because of the right to religious privacy and freedom. But then again I am not a history major lol. Just what I believe :).
 
I think the way around this is to ask for the digital security part of there new hire paper work and circle the part about sharing passwords. For clearance reasons i would allow a FBI access to my account in the same way as i would give them my friends contact information to interview. But i will not give out a password.
 
I wonder if you could just tell them that you don't have a fb profile. Either delete the fb profile (which isn't a viable option for most young people) or set it to fortress stealth and just tell them you had deleted it. What then? "Uh, create one and then friend us."
 
+Keith Danielson open the email, at the bottom or within it somewhere it will say 'mute' hit that button and it will not send you further emails or updates. And now I have to do the same thing. :)
 
+Eric Wendt I'm not currently in a situation where this matters. But, in the end, I would refuse to give any potential employer this information. We all have a right to a private life.
 
This is what tyranny looks like...take a good look, people, to defeat your enemy, you must first know your enemy...
 
"While submitting to a Facebook review is voluntary, virtually all applicants agree to it out of a desire to score well in the interview, according Maryland ACLU legislative director Melissa Coretz Goemann."

idiots. through their complacency they are causing the reasonable to be unusual.

it's just like people who agree to random searches by the police--they make refusing the searches, which is totally reasonable and should be normal, into something that looks suspicious.

say it with me: "no, i won't let you into my private life. it's none of your business!"
 
I want to know which companies and schools are asking for passwords so I can make sure not to buy from them.
 
+Ivan Vasin This. This exactly is my point.

"It stressed the voluntary nature of social media inspection, noting that five of the 80 employees hired in the last three hiring cycles didn't provide access."

It should be the other way around! It's like they're proud that they hired 5 who refused.
 
wtf is right, wow go looking out...thank you.
 
Just remember BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING!
 
If not giving access to my facebook denies me a job so be it. I refuse to compromise my right to privacy even if it means I suffer for it.
 
Just have a friend privately send you a poem. It becomes immediately falls under copyright. As soon as your employer/school logs in and illegally copies the Intellectual Property to their computer, your friend gets to sue them for copyright violation. Profit!
 
Not trying to be devil's advocate but throwing out a different idea:

Our world right now is in a state of manic flux. Technology is changing everything around us, the way we communicate, the way we interact with the world, challenging our previous ideas of privacy and identity. Online bullying, child porn, the whole shebang - and we have to struggle to keep up, companies and schools have to struggle to keep up and can't seem to write policies fast enough and there in-lies the problem.

I'm not sure companies and schools know how to counter problems like insider trading, bullying, academic cheating, and child abuse with this massive new world we call The Internet. People are going to screw up a lot for a while until things calm down and we can all get our bearings again and until then they are all going to make dumb decisions like "give me your password so I know you aren't doing something bad"

Sorry if I'm a bit rambly at the moment, just came back from my new kickboxing class and I'm a wee bit exhausted :P Hope that made sense :)
 
+Ashlee Kuschner I can't get behind your devil's advocate argument. I liken this to a private conversation at a dinner party with friends. My employer doesn't and shouldn't have access to this.

To clarify, I don't have a single problem with an employer checking public posts. This person is going to represent their company and what they post publicly can and will affect their business. What they don't have a right to is information privately communicated. Employers do not ask for your phone records, your email records, your bank records and I think private posts on social networking sites fall into this category.

All of the issues that you discuss can happen without social networking. As a matter of fact, the smart ones won't leave an electronic trail. They know better.

Edit: I get where you're headed, I just feel like there's a large hole in the argument.
 
Agreed, they don't have any right to know about our personal life.
 
Most people (not all) post everything to Facebook because they want the "look at me" attention. Not sure why people even use Facebook.
 
+Stephanie Van Pelt Let me state again I am not trying to be a devil's advocate, I do not agree with these policies, but I can understand why they are doing these things. I'm not sure that it's out of maliciousness or a need of control, but rather desperation at finding a quick (and rather barbaric) solution to a rapidly growing problem.

For instance, the local school district here insists that their staff and faculty sign agreements that they will not in any way contact their students on social networking sites. Do they do this out of maliciousness? Are they trying to play the part of Big Brother? No, this is a ham-fisted attempt at keeping faculty and staff from having inappropriate interactions with students, to protect students.

I am in no way trying to say that any of these actions employers and schools are taking are the best decision, but the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. I just don't want to see one side becoming demonized for making a series of very stupid decisions. I think we need to be open and just keep talking to employers and otherwise to try and find the right solution to all the problems that keep popping up now-days.
 
Come on, admit it. This is an Onion news piece, isn't it?
 
+Ashlee Kuschner As a parent, I actually see both sides of the equation about teacher contact. I don't necessarily have a problem with an employer asking an employee to have certain restrictions about their behavior on social networking. I can see that there will be mistakes made by everyone, but I don't think it excuses the request - or the expectation that we comply with the request.
 
+Stephanie Van Pelt Absolutely not! Lines of communication need to remain open and we need to ensure that these groups know we do not accept these terms and we demand change. But we have to remain calm and remove emotion from the situation. I'm not sure what to say after that, plan of action? List of grievances? Suggested solution?

Bah, my mind is drawing a blank now :/
 
+Ashlee Kuschner It starts with just talking about it and making sure people understand what they do and don't have to do. Education and conversation are key.
 
I don't understand why the government and employers place so much importance to what people say on social networking sites. This is the place where we should be able to say what we want without fear of being punished, it's ridiculous.
 
Private posts = personal journal. Sorry, nobody gets to see my private personal thoughts unless I chose go let them. If they ask to see my private thoughts, I have every right to say no... Move on and find another job/school.
 
I just got rid of Facebook today. Thank God...uh, the Universe...er, Science.
 
You gave up a right to a personal life when you joined a social network site.
 
+Vicki Newmath I disagree completely. My public posts are just that, public. But posts shared among friends shouldn't be forced into sharing with anyone I don't chose to share them with. What if they next asked for your email password?
 
Sharing among friends via email is far more personal than social networking.
 
+Vicki Newmath Depends entirely on how you use the network. I have multiple posts here that are targeted at just one person. Actually, wouldn't your G+ password provide access to your email?

Don't assume that because you aren't personal on your social networking that others aren't.
 
WHAT??!!!(@ vanpelt's last comment) right? that is completely communistic ! where do they get off ( if they ever intend on doing so)?
 
This is just another example of fast America is becoming a state out of a George Orwell novel. I suggest you revisit "1984"
 
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I was hoping that the applicant was going for a security job with the state... A heck of an interview question to a potential network administrator... I have been asked to leave my username and password under my keyboard when going on leave before and promptly told them hell no.

on the other side if they were hiring security guards they could pre-screen for farmville activity...
"Motion Detected in sector 8", "Hold on I gotta harvest my strawberries" :)
 
I was going to post about some extra bananas I had that I'm not going to eat, but +Stephanie Van Pelt has afraided me away from putting that out there on the webz. THANKS, Mizz Van Pelt.

#FruitStickerFriday by +Deepak Agarwal will never be the same again. :-\
 
I stopped #FruitStickerFriday because I work in the Automotive industry and we have strict guidelines against designing Lemons
 
+Stephanie Van Pelt You G+ password is indeed the same as your Gmail password. Hopefully some know not to use the same email account for personal use.
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It's really unfortunate but such is reality. Only thing we can do is to get all the people to voice their disgust on matter like this.
 
+Stephanie Van Pelt Gov't agencies I can understand. If you are in the military or work for the FBI, CIA etc where national security is on the line. Although they don't really need your password to know everything you post. You are giving up your personal freedom to serve and its understandable. I can see no reason why a college should be included in that line of logic?

OH and for everyone else I need some more cool friends to Circle
 
+Matt Acuff Yes, when you've decided to apply for higher level security clearances I see a difference. But for a law enforcement department to say this is how they screen for gang connections? I mean really? If I was a dirty copy I'd certainly be more wily than to friend them on Facebook.

Where does this stop? When college students are pressured into giving up their privacy to remain on sports teams (and maybe keep a scholarship) wouldn't they be just as willing to later give up the privacy for an employer?
 
So they're assuming everyone has FB?
 
While I agree this sort of invasion is total BS, I have to say, when I post things privately online, it's stuff of no consequence. It's stuff like "Hey so and so, let's get drinks for happhour" or something like that. It's private bc the world doesn't care about that info, it's not private bc i'm worried someone might see it. Anything that I have to say, that is truly private, I don't put near the internet. Everything that would keep me from getting a job is in my public stream. Sad but true.
 
+Mat Langley There isn't anything I've posted privately that would pose a problem for me, but it is all rather personal and a matter of principle to me.
 
Privacy went out the door the second the arpanet was formed.. then again I don't compute in my bathroom (oh yes I do)...
 
It made much more sense to me if people who didn't give out their passwords were hired.
 
In plain and simple english for those in bureaucracy who still know it, bite me!!!
 
We've done this to ourselves folks. We keep demanding ever more transparency from our various institutions. Well, guess what? Institutions are made up of people, and if what we are insisting on is transparency, then what we are in fact asking for is to be able to see those people. And after all, who are "those people" but ourselves?

You can't have it both ways. Privacy is, by definition, the antithesis of transparency...

(And NO, I don't like it either.)
 
There is no way for me to give out my password.
 
+Stephanie Van Pelt I'll give them access to all of my private posts but I want each of the readers to first research and then write up a personal responce to each of the subjects I've covered. Fair is fair.
 
Well if they want my work I think I should get something back. :P
At the very least a dark chuckle at their confusion.
 
It smacks of 'Big Brother' and an invasion of a person's right to privacy!
 
+Donna Smith It doesn't bother me. It's only when I get 15 +1's in a row (and that's it) that I start to get irritated. Comments are always welcome.
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