Is D&D 5e an old school game? I saw a very interesting comment on the NTRPGCon Facebook page. Alex Kammer said "5e is an old school game. OS games are not determined by when they are published, but by how they play. If you give 5e a try, you will see what I mean." Thoughts?
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- , many a truth is said in jest. I recognize it not as a joke but as a metaphor for unnecessary dice rolls, which is a DM maturity thing.
B/X had a paragraph that talked about ability score checks (X51), 2E had non-weapon proficiencies. The presence of a unified ability check and saving throw system in D&D is not non-OSR.
5E doesn't displace the OSR movement, like any other game in the stable of OSR games it simply adds to the options available for OSR play. It's not for everyone, but then neither are many of the retroclones. I never liked the way thief abilities were handled in B/X or AD&D, so any game (like Swords & Wizardry) that replicates that approach (creating specialized subsystems to handle a specific class of abilities) seems unnecessarily inefficient and inconsistent. I don't enjoy games with inconsistent rulesets (which is why I stopped playing AD&D).
I also like math. I like to make math work for me. The fact that in many OSR games math seems to be ignored, is frustrating to me. In S&W if I have an 18 STR and you have a 10 STR I am only 10% better than you at hitting. I think there is a much bigger gap than 10% between the best and the most average person.
That doesn't make it wrong, but that has prevented me from enjoying much of the OSR movement because it seems grounded in replicating the past without consideration for the progress that has been made in game mechanics.
For me, 5E allows me to play D&D as I remember it and embrace that nostalgia component that is critical to the OSR community without frustrating me with rules that I stopped liking 30 years ago.
That makes me an example of a player that is now able to participate in the OSR community, through 5E, when I could not before. I doubt I am the only old-school gamer that feels that way. I know, because I have a table full of them every Monday :)Apr 17, 2015
- I will also offer https://www.facebook.com/boymonster/posts/10152822721140735?pnref=storymost eloquent words on where this conversation seems to be heading:Apr 17, 2015
- Holy crap, I can't +1 this statement enough:
"Creating specialized subsystems to handle a specific class of abilities seems unnecessarily inefficient and inconsistent"
That, in a nutshell, is actually why I think 5e does "old school" better than many self-described OSR games.
"That doesn't make it wrong, but that has prevented me from enjoying much of the OSR movement because it seems grounded in replicating the past without consideration for the progress that has been made in game mechanics."
It's like you have eaten my brain and digested all of my issues with many OSR games into one refined statement.Apr 17, 2015
- , thank you. I will say that everything tastes good in salsa.Apr 17, 2015
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- In knew it!Apr 17, 2015