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... This might just have to become my go-to guided meditation from now on...

I wonder if I could get away with leading this meditation at our next Buddhist retreat? (NSFW!)

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Long as it doesn't include the shambles known as the Dalai Lama, it's all good.
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This really is what it means to give up your freedoms one by one. This is the end game. There is no other way it can go -- or at least there is no other way it has ever gone before now but this.

Fight to keep your small freedoms now, or you'll be chained by your lack of freedom later.
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+Kevin Colby Definitely not acceptable, but still a whole lot better than what actually happened.
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This is so wrong it's right.
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I'm in good company with +C.S. MacCath   =)
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Aaaand we're taking on yet another touchy topic. =o)
FALLACY: "Vegan Parenting Is Brainwashing"

It must surely be a form of child abuse to instill your own values in your child... Right?!

Of course, parents are responsible for the physical well-being of their children, and they are also responsible for providing ethical guidance. Evidence shows that a plant-based diet is healthy for people of all life stages, including children, so vegan parents are following appropriate nutritional guidelines. Veganism is the philosophical position that using animals for human benefit is unethical, so vegan parents are simply teaching their children compassion through veganism, much as any parent might teach a child to be kind.

These ideas are addressed further on the Your Vegan Fallacy Is site at along with responses by +Marla Rose (a.k.a. the "Vegan Feminist Agitator"), +Vegan Street, +Colleen Patrick-Goudreau, +Sean P. O. MacCath-Moran, +YouHippies, +Vegan Sidekick, and +Skool of Vegan.

#children #brainwashing #yvfi #vegan #fallacy


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Addressing the fallacy that raising vegan children is a form of brainwashing.
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ok. will do, +Sean P. O. MacCath-Moran be back soon
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This article is... well... some kind of genius.

THE nation of Greece said sorry to the European Union with a present of an enormous wooden horse.
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Could I suggest all the Greek pensioners move to Germany to claim their pensions?
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FALLACY: "Vegans Would Eat Meat On A Desert Island"

What if you, as a vegan, were on a desert island with nothing to eat but chickens -- would you eat one then? Or how about if someone literally has you a gut-point and demands that you eat a pork-chop?

Such arguments propose a hypothetical edge-case scenario (e.g. eating animals on a desert island) as a means of justifying a real-life behaviour (i.e. eating animals on a daily basis). However, this exercise in imagination does not represent a plausible situation people might find themselves in and does not tell us anything about the morality of the vegan addressing the topic. For these reasons, it tends not to be a productive conversation point.

These ideas are addressed further on the Your Vegan Fallacy Is site at along with responses by +Vegan Street, +Colleen Patrick-Goudreau, +Sean P. O. MacCath-Moran, +Vegan Sidekick, and As always, if we've missed any good responses out there, we'd love to know about them! =oD

#desertisland #hypothetical #reallife #yvfi #vegan #fallacy


The Your Vegan Fallacy Is project is a community-driven effort dedicated to correcting misconceptions about veganism in approachable and unambiguous ways. If you're vegan and you'd like to see the site in your mothertongue (or to help out with the ongoing work in the existing languages), or if you'd like to volunteer your skills as an artist, writer, or resource curator, then read more about how you can help at
Addressing the fallacy that vegans would eat meat if they had no other choice.
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If you're vegan and eat meat for any reason, you would get very sick b-c your body is not used to meat. You'd then have to force yourself to eat it several more times to make the adjustment.
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Well... This is sobering...
It's gettin' tight!

A little Gedankenexperiment:
If every human were allowed as much space as an animal in factory farming (for instance: a pig), and all humans were crammed into one place, how much space would humanity need?

Look for yourself...

Calculations, sources and a little extra info:
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Hopefully our Future Alien overlords will be kinder to us than we were to the other beings who shared our world. 
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This might be the best comic of the day...
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How about 75% of my online animal-advocacy conversations go:

From an ethical perspective, is it worse to needlessly kill others, or to needlessly hurt them?
  ~ "It's worse to kill them, of course!"

Is it unethical to needlessly cause other animals pain? e.g. Do you oppose the misery imposed by "factory farms"?
  ~ "Yes, of course -- factory farms are awful, and we should always be humane!"

Do you understand that humans have no physiological need to consume other animal's bodies, and humans have been thriving on plant-based diets for as long as there have been humans, and that there are hundreds of thousands of people healthfully doing so today?
  ~ "Sure, I've heard of this..."

Then you agree that it's unethical to needlessly kill animals (e.g. in order to eat their bodies)?
  ~ "..."
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Snap. I get this EVERY time. There seems to be some fail safe blank mode that switches on when you apply the scenario to the person.
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I kinda love this!
From Ello...
just like the word "atheism"... #atheism #veganism #carnism #cruelty #meat #flesh #slaughter #nonvegetarian #culturaldifferences
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LOL - I may give that one a go, +Odracirys Mediys!
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Nice! It's good to see religious leaders taking a proactive stand on these issues.
Creation has “an intrinsic value” which is “independent of [its] usefulness. Each organism, as a creature of God, is good and admirable in itself.”

Pope Francis slowly but surely restores my belief that Christianity can be a force for good in the world. I am so heartened to read this news of his new enyclical on the environment. Go long, Your Holiness.
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+Andrea Z. I'm sure we all wish he'd said more, but just having a major Christian leader state that animals have inherent value feels like a major step.  You might be underestimating how entrenched the idea that all the rest of creation was made for man has gotten in Christian circles.  (IMO this heavy anthropocentrism is not a Biblical doctrine at all, but Christians never claimed to be perfect people -- we still have pride -- and sometimes, like any other subculture, we fall victim to stupid ideas.)

He's already getting called "the most dangerous person" over this, lukewarm though it might have been, so I think he did well.
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