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Hmmm this is no bueno!

The trend is not going in the right direction.
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Oh goodness... The police don't have anything better to do besides harass photographers? Really???
 
Because terrorists don't know how to use google image search, maps, and street view.
 
No doubt they have some kind of written guidance to aid their judgement. Love to see what that includes.
 
Thanks I live in Europe! o.O'
 
"no apparent aesthetic value"? Since when did "Protect and Serve" also include art critique?
 
+Jon Winters Oh don't you worry ... I'm sure "homeland protection" has that covered.

If you spend much time looking at sensitive areas on googlemaps or google-earth I'm sure they have a lock on you. haha

Come on they have to. It would be against their nature not to do so... and just file it under their right since it's a "suspicious activity"
 
I shoot abandoned infraturctures all the time, from abandoned asylums to powerplants. i get stopped allot had police search me, point guns at me when found on abandoned sites and fear that i'm going be a part of some conspiracy, been doing this way too long, post 911 paranoia is gotten out of hand. The quote ive given to police, Google Maps check it out. you can obtain high res images with out leaving your home and lugging phtography gear, why would I bother with all of this if i was one, Now your an art critique too, seriously there is something wrong with policing. well thats just what i have to deal with and just ignore the stupidity going on. it don't phase me, but can get ridiculous.
 
+Gunther Doe yes because then you don't have well established rights for cops to violate. So theirs no outrage in having rights violated.

Or is there a general code distinguishing the rights all individuals should have?

I thought in france people weren't allowed to take pictures of other people's houses legally. I mean we all do it.

Just saying that It's hard to compare when we don't know the other side of the coin.

I am honestly interested in hearing about the rights people are proffered in the different states of europe.
 
Giving over zealous law enforcement the ability to use their own discretion in cases like this is not good. I've seen my far share of police make asses out of themselves in public. This just adds fuel to the fire
 
I am sure the police have other things they could be doing, like preventing crime.
 
All joking aside.I am with a choir that is doing a concert for the 10th anniversary of 9/11 down here in southern Cal. We sing "DONA NOBIS PACEM" A.K.A. Grant You Peace, but there still is terrorism out there. I am from the Northeast (Jersey) and I pray every day for protection. I also take a lot of pictures ANYWHERE,ANYTIME, BUT I am aware of the threat, so I consider the residents where I shoot, being ever mindfull of the world we now live in.
 
I've been detained by the Long Beach PD for photographing at night. It was ridiculous! I was able to pull up my website and show them my work right there and I still got a visit from Homeland Security and the FBI.
 
England!!! Is that Europe?!
Sorry couldn't help being French. hehe. @.o
 
What the... Glad to be in France. So if I might get in trouble if I come over as a tourist with my camera... ? That's just great. +Scott jarvie I don't know about houses, but generally, you ain't really allowed to photograph anything "private" in France (someone face, a property...etc). BUT the thing is, everybody does it. It's then up the person to allow it or not. Also, we are pretty "relaxed" about this in France.... for now...
 
Just imagining Ansel Adams being approached by a Park Ranger and being asked why he is taking pictures of rocks and trees. And what about all this chemicals and glass?
 
+Scott jarvie I lived in France, UK, Germany, Spain and now established in Czech Republic.
The interpretation and application of the law concerning the public domain by authorities in each of those countries is very different while the actual law is very specific.
Any one is free to take photos of whatever and whomever in a public place.
but unfortunately not every one is aware of it including the authorities in charge of applying the law.

I only had problems twice 1 in England once in France.

PS: In the Czech republic the use of a tripod in public historical places is subject to debate as the law is quite volatile about it. and considered by the police a professional use and might require a professional licence.
And I regularly have argument with police when shooting on tripod but generally they let me off.
 
Wow... "no apparent aesthetic value" that's a very subjective and vague term. Has the courts even defined the term "apparent aesthetic values" yet?

I would definitely like to hear their definition.

Oh, and by the way, if your in Toronto, the TTC (our transit system) openly encourages photography within it's systems.
 
I usually complain about the Swedish laws and regulations as well as the European laws (*why* did we join? Whyyyy?), but I believe that it's nothing compared to "The land of freedom". ;)
I have an old book somewhere about strange laws in the US. Can't find it but I'm sure that you US citizen as well as other nationalities could amuse a lot of people just by posting your national or state laws in G+. I dare you! ;-D
 
+Rodney Bedsole I know (French Joke) I mentioned it too. :)
Yes I saw that one already. But really UK when it come to the public domain is a lot different than any other European country I have been to. On the other end the UK police find out before applying the law and do not rush into fast conclusions.
 
I was at the CA state capitol yesterday (must go back when I have more time and someone with me). I did check the website first to see if cameras were allowed. It was horribly confusing so I wound up calling to see if they were allowed. They were! While initially bummed that I didn't get there until after everything was closed, I was able to walk around the grounds. Obese stopped several times, mostly other photographers, but once by a friendly officer just checking on me. I have no problem with that at all. But officers determining artistic value - very saddening. 
 
On a positive note I want to say that I recently had a shoot in Long Beach for a client of mine, The police where very respectful and cooperative. Not to mention I was in the Los Angels Cruise Terminal. I was talking picture of the signage not of people, this is also next to the main port of long beach. I just wanted to share that sometime the news can have an agenda. I am personally happy that they take it seriously.
 
...and while I'm at it... What about the new European regulation of homepages using cookies (the "Cookie law")? It's almost as stupid as this one, in my humble opinion...
You must inform a visitor about all cookies (what cookie, what for, cookie name) that your homepage will save on their device as well as allowing the visitor to actively make a choice to accept/disallow cookies.
 
+Gunther Doe I couldn't agree with you more. It seems that the police in America like to "jump the gun" and are not quite as informed about the laws that they are upholding than the Europeans.
 
it's not only in California a problem :(
It's getting worse and worse each day.
 
So, I suggest we all carry around a bowl of fruit or flowers so that we can place them in front of the trains, power plants, abandoned buildings so when we get stopped for this, walk up and place the fruit bowl there and then snap the "aesthetic" picture and say, "is that better, Officer Art Major? It's called juxtaposition".
 
You know what +Brian Woods ? It'd probably work. I imagine some cop eyeing you suspiciously and thinking, "oh it has a flower... must be art, nevermind...".
 
Thank you Republicans (and the enabling spineless Democrats) for succeeding in making us a nation of cowards. The UK and Israel have lived with terrorism for decades without going to the extremes we have.
"People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." - Benjamin Franklin and/or Thomas Jefferson
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