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- Ah, thanks for telling me. I keep getting so many bits of conflicting information about the movement that it's easier to characterise them as right-wingers even though, the minute I've finished typing this, someone will hop in and yell, "No, they're not!"May 23, 2012
- You can't keep track of the players without a scorecard. The "right wing" is sufficiently diverse that it includes people I wouldn't want to place in the same room unless I wanted to call the paramedics afterward.
Speaking personally, the closest descriptor for my politics is Libertarian, but I doubt most of them would consider me a member of the congregation, because I part company on how much of the Libertarian ideal is possible in practice. It's been the basis of an assortment of SF treatments, but they tend to start from the premise that a Libertarian society arose from the total collapse of a prior one, which is a higher price than I feel like paying.
I used to consider myself a moderate Republican, but the Bush administration alienated me, and the three ring insanity circus, complete with lots of clowns, that are the Republican primaries has broadened it. If we were seperated before, I think we're divorced now.
I'm not a lot more enthusiastic about the Democrats, and unfortunately, paternalist authoritarianism is pervasive on that side, too. Alas, the old saw "In a Democratic society, the people get the kind of government they deserve" is all too true. Enough people actually voted for the clowns to put them into office.May 23, 2012
- Agreed, on both counts. I like moderate Republicans because they don't scare me. My Pirate politics often get me confused with the Liberals because I'm not racist and won't blindly accept paternalism like a good sheep.
But I don't believe that socialism is the right way, either, because the paternalism there is exercised by the nanny state. I believe the people need to be empowered. This requires a robust educational system and #IPRreform. If we're not being "nickel and dimed" on everything we buy and use, we're more free to share ideas and culture.
The European Labour Party is just as bad, if not worse, than the conservatives are on #IPR and won't hear of anything that might loosen their already too-tight grip on the internet.
So what I'm saying is, a broadly cooperative movement is the way forward and people need to be more involved in politics instead of just choosing a leader from a bad selection and letting him or her run things for you. I think we've all notice that they run things for themselves and their cronies.May 23, 2012
- We're talking about this on another thread. Hop in and see what you think: https://plus.google.com/u/0/105103058358743760661/posts/7getRWgCiYKMay 23, 2012
- The problem with Socialism is that it's about redistribution of wealth. That's all very well, but you must have wealth to redistribute, and all implementations I've seen tend to get in the way of creating wealth in the first place.
And the problem I've been seeing in the raucous debate about American politics and the economy is a truly mind-numbing ignorance about both on the part of the debaters. You can't solve a problem unless you understand what the problem is, and a lack of understanding is pervasive.
I just hopped over to the other thread and will look.May 23, 2012
- Socialism is about redistributing wealth to the state, then creating a stagnant economy by crushing competition. Bad, bad, bad idea. Do not want.
You're right about the ignorance, but this needs to be factored in:
otherwise we end up going around in circles.May 23, 2012