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Use Windows on your Android tablet or iPad with Nivio (or iPhone or other devices)

As more of us take tablets to work there will be more and more times when we'll need Microsoft Windows running on them. 

http://us.nivio.com

Here I get a look at this cool technology that lets you do just that with Sachin Dev Duggal, Nivio's co-founder. Good stuff!
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I believe this is US only at the moment. Very cool stuff, though!
 
wanted to comment on fb which is where i noticed this post but cant heh. i have been doing this using rscloud server 2k8r2 terminal services instances off android devices (running snappy as hell even on a 1st gen moto droid!) since last year with Wyse PocketCloud.

have not seen if this app is any more awesome after the dell acquisition, but it sure was awesome enough to the point i still highly recommend it and use it on near daily basis!
 
it works so brilliantly, i can be almost as productive in line at the bank or using the bathroom (as long as you have a flip out keyboard, don't get half as good experience without a physical keyboard with my evaluations i have done) as on a laptop. 

definitely surprised this hasn't become the norm in enterprise environments. 
 
Don't Citrix and VMware already allow you to run Windows on tablets? Or, of course, dual-boot Android/Windows tablets.
 
This has fantastic potential for orgs that have, for example, 1000 users but only need 200 licences of Word at a time.. no more need to buy unwanted licences !!
 
+Jon Biddell You can do that with many of the existing solutions. You buy off a licensing program with a set amount of concurrent licenses that the users are accessing a pool of.
 
+Jon Biddell or you can buy CALs to a single terminal server hosted with (my preference rackspace) cloud scalability, availability, sla, management, completely off-site disaster recovery/business continuity/regulatory compliance.

the bigger benefit is one of methodology/management than the norm at even most tech companies let alone small businesses - ensure all work product is never on physical media that can be damaged, stolen, or fail with essential data. safe and secure knowing it all is backed up to a datacenter much nicer than yours. and protected by a piece of paper that is handy when lawyers get testy. :)
 
+Phill Hocking It sounds like you ran a demo of Nivio-- what are the key differences between this and VMware or Citrix's solutions? I want to get excited about it, but I am multi-tasking and won't get to watch the video until later. (Edit: Or was your second comment still talking about Wyse, which does have a pretty awesome product)
 
Pity their registration process is broken at the moment.
 
Wellington onlive desktop gives me office for free in windows. Everything else there is an app for already on ios. IMHO it won't be a successful monthly charge business. 
 
This is so the future of computing.  Eventually you will walk around with personal keys, maybe a screen device or glasses a wireless earpiece.  More bandwidth please!
 
Windows as an OS is dead, has been for a few years but it takes a while for the decay to catch up with reality...
 
I don't see any information on what pricing for Office will be after the 30 days... and whether you 'rent' just during the time you're actually using it or whether it's a subscription thing.
 
Hi Eduardo.  I think that Apple will be taking over the gaming environment (maybe not console but computer/portable device).  I do believe that they will buy Steam, which will help...  Apple has the highest gaming growth of any platform but admittedly growth from nothing doesn't amount to a lot in total volume...
 
This works if you have a reliable and fast broadband connection. Unfortunately, Australia has neither. You can still get mobile phone dead zone in parts of Sydney. The 3G broadband in parts of Sydney feels worse than dial up speeds.
 
I sincerely believe that Microsoft is in the slow death crawl similar to Blackberry - it will take many many years to come to fruition but they were asleep when Apple was changing the world...  Balmer should be terminated...
 
+Sharon Strandskov sorry for the delay in reply. i have not evaluated the software scoble is describing, but would find it absolutely ridiculous to run a vm on a portable device. portable devices should connect to cloud content. 

especially in an enterprise environment that cloud content should be managed by the powers that be - and you can make it so seamless folks don't even realize they are using a terminal to attach to remote computing resources instead of 'using their computer at their desk.'
 
Already have something like this. A VM on a machine at home, with VNC server running on it, and a VNC client is available as a single file executable for windows, an Android app, and a java  app that can be pulled up with any browser that can all connect if you need to reach some apps on your home PC. The app market for adding apps on the fly is cool though.
 
+Dan Buell Yes, the mobile Internet sucks big time here in Australia.

I read about all these cool technology you guys in America are talking about and then realised that they wouldn't work in Australia because of atrocious Internet infrastructure.

Fortunately, the government is building a fibre to the node now, but it will take years to fully complete. But if the telcos don't invest in mobile broadband infrastructure, then nothing will change.
 
+Dan Buell really? i would say far from it. in fact when i started using a dumb terminal to a 2k8r2 server i vowed to never pay the premium for apple ever again simply for the 'slick ui'. 

if i had a mbp show up on my doorstep tomorrow first thing i would do is install win7 pro or enterprise on it. 

wrote a really long post about why i feel this way https://plus.google.com/112304285606427842853/posts/RUL5bADU4nR couple weeks ago (that also provides a lot of cloud insights) preferring a terminal server in a managed environment to a full-fledged os for many computing use cases. unless you actually put your hardware to the max and require the ability to do so without network connectivity, it's starting to be really hard to compete with a cloud offering.

terminal services whether private/public/premise cloud. the scalability possible with tried-and-true web/app/data tiered solutions with existing public cloud offerings are staggering. the only reason there isn't more wide-spread adoption is because highly specialized experts feel it is a threat to their relevance. security/r&s/consultant var/msp types are afraid of becoming obsolete and actively resisting the paradigm shift. 
 
Phil, interesting premise but I would say that you are in the minority...   I think there can be little doubt of the progress (commercially and from an innovation perspective) of iOS and OSx - I think there will always be outliers but Microsoft blew it's commercial/consumer grip and the world changed while they were asleep...
 
+Dan Buell maybe if you are talking with technology folks who are baller enough to buy every iToy whenever it comes out. most of the folks i know all have some variant of xp/vista/7 if they have a computer at all. being immersed in an environment of people that are at the forefront of technology oftentimes leaves you forgetting that 60% of people who don't have internet service do not see a benefit to it heh. 
 
+Dan Buell It was just a year ago or more that Steve Ballmer was quoted in the news by saying that he's not sure whether tablet computers are just a flash on the pan. Now he is trying to catch up with Windows 8.
 
Phil - everyone has preferences and I respect all opinions but when you reference the biggest technology movement in the history of computing as iToys, your credibility is instantly hurt...  Most people I know have an iPhone, an iPod and an iPad and half have a Mac of some sort - maybe it's an economic thing...
 
Haha try to use this in uk London on the move - connection drops every 15 minutes on orange and O2 - advanced country with worst internet ever i have to say 
 
This is interesting. Not what it does per se, but that Visio has a business plan that predicts Apple users will pay $30+ /m to run Windows on their iPad/Mac.
 
hardly news - I've been using splashtop remote for ages now - works great when you have a great internet connection.. but only any use on the ASUS Transformer series because you have a full keyboard and touchpad...
 
You know I hardly thinks its worth debating about what OS you use or even the latest hardware.   Its just about whats working for your needs. There is always a work-around or setup that can be hacked or engineered to suit as +Phill Hocking has found. 

We are reaching a point where CPU speed, screen resolution, battery life and mobile data speed are pretty much sorted.  Sure there are improvements, but these are minor considering where we were 10 years ago.   Check the anniversary review on the apple newton http://bit.ly/LP2ZQS  fun stuff!

Conceptually Sci Fi nerds have been in the #cloud  since Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash written in 1992.   Its really about the convergence of multiple diverse technologies to make ideas transfer from the ether into physical reality. 

What we are seeing now in the #startup  boom is a pelthora of ideas being produced on top of stable(ish) mobile technologies.  Scoble is reporting on the gold rush essentially.  Not everyone will find gold, but lots of people are digging. 

I think software improvements are key, but there are some big gaps missing to really help us take the next leap forward.  Products like #googleglass  or #leapmotion  are getting us there. 

But like +Dan Buell points out data speed is an issue.  And its a major issue if the stats about the distribution of mobile technology are to be believed.   Thanks to the introduction of Ipv6 and most of Asia, Africa and Eastern Europe getting a "smart" phone, what we know as the internet now is not the internet of tomorrow.

Sure we can do fancy tricks across the web (its so #cool  !) but we need bandwidth like we need fresh water, malaria vaccines and something to stop the rampent release of carbon into the atmosphere. 

I'm waiting for 4G data in NZ.  But I'm waiting for the networks to get open(er) and start running multinode systems like FERMI networks.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femtocell

Either way the technology will have to be more transparent.  You just turn it on and it works.  I don't worry about OS, I use which ever one I need to make the soft work.  I don't really worry about my hardware, I can get around it.  What I do worry about is being connected.  Everything stops working if I lose uplink. 

 
 
advanced country with worst internet---------right. I had a nightmare when I tried to get access to the internet in London last year.
 
+Dan Buell   haha i would hardly say my credibility is challenged by describing a complete and utter consumer fad that is more a success of marketing than engineering.
ipad/iphone are almost as useless to me as an ipod is useless period. why does my htc evo 4g not only work better for me than those devices at a lower price point and flip-out keyboard (which is handy for just as i said earlier, full computer experience in your pocket) with removable media i can  sync instantly? why whenever i get a new android device does it only take 5m to have the same phone number content apps and 'setup' as i did on the last one? 

i have a tendency of my analysis actually being respected by industry and  thought leaders nearly universally. why? i aim to make contentions and theorize new approaches than argue merits of one over another. i also typically make contentions and argue as little as possible. i don't do black and white/split/double-bind thinking and choose emotions for a brand or vendor over the actual details of what needs be done. 

wanna talk about awesome? steve jobs. his products? fantastic interfaces for 'users' that are popular due to ease ose. the rub? proprietary, closed, walled-garden, person who is accustomed to being uid 0 on everything they work on is limited by apple's attempt to monetize and exclusively control every detail about the interactions with the consumer. the fact that to me this limits what they can do with their own device they purchased and own is atrocious. 

again, would love a mpb. would install win7 pro/ent on it second i got the plastic sticky off and it turns on. maybe i have a different goal/purpose/approach than you do? because for me as an ENE, my goal is not only to accomplish a task... but replicate it infinitely with as few steps and snags as possible. good luck deploying an open directory apple os x server domain and pulling email from your exchange servers and collaborating with entourage as well as with outlook, getting a 30+year veteran account exec or director/c level person (that isn't technology savvy at least)  to not shoot you when you suggest they don't have outlook. good luck having tier 1 helpdesk grunts who barely graduated high school a few months before with a week of training to help the same tier 1 csr troubleshoot a layer 3 issue with their network configurations by bringing up a unix terminal and reading off ifconfig -a instead of just telling them to windows + r + cmd +type ipconfig/renew before they call in the first place. 

good luck doing SSO throughout your organization using OpenDirectory schemas and trying to get them to play nice with any other enterprise-grade solutions that might need to be integrated for whatever reason. good luck running kerio mail server and not being able to switch the user's mail passwords to either exchange or gmail unless you do it by hand. 

osx may provide you a more pleasant user experience by your intended goals, but for my goals it is abhorent at worst and masochistic at best.  
 
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I quite enjoy using my tablet to remote desktop into my desktop boxes. You can't really tell the difference - it looks like you have Windows / Linux / OSX running right on your tab.
 
Already trying to escape from Microsoft Products with help of other stable technologies. Feeling burden travel with them!
 
Ummm, Why would I want to ruin my android device with Windows.  Seriously.
 
+Miguel Ledesma It's not a very likely scenario - but I like to think about it sometimes: Imagine all digital information vanished overnight due to some sort of radiation. 

Luckily we know of no such radiation or danger - at least not one that won't kill us too ;) phew

A more likely scenario is warfare, fragmenting the internet or compromising your data.
 
This would be the killer platform if you could do custom (non-standard) applications. But by definition, this really can't happen. For businesses with standard needs, this is great! He says that they can provision custom apps, but if a large amount of clients do that, how long will they be able to offer it? Is there some sort of threshold? Prohibitive additional cost? Software for industry verticals, in-house builds, temporary builds...all of this would take alot of space and management for them. If they could use this for the mundane stuff that everyone has and somehow link it to, let's say, a virtual server in the cloud for all the bespoke items, THAT would be the solution.
 
+Phill Hocking The apps can actually be streamed from the cloud in some of these solutions already, apologies for my error in semantics. I just meant that there are existing solutions, and I wanted to know how this varies from them-- for example, how does this vary from the Wyse solution you are using?
 
i take a half holistic google +Bradley Horowitz and salesforce +Marc Benioff approach to application delivery and platform being wholly cross platform through the browser

the other half of my approach is one learned from years of field service/support engineering various degrees of most disciplines few who haven't worked in small shops and failed startups ever need to be such generalists. when you are lucky to even have a client that wants something done badly enough to pay for it, you get such a mismash of working on crappy home-office computers and gov ed/muni/big cannon enough to shoot a gnat situations... you learn a lot of tricks most never have to. that small tech consultancy hustle is normally bottom of the barrel burnout material - or people who struck out in the .com boom and have too many obligations to take risks again.

i got in this situation because i am crazy enough that i never could hold down a job for long (record is two years but i normally managed to stay in the saddle. had to freelance and create my own opportunities because my reputation was shaky enough skills had to speak for themselves. i normally got jobs by being on-site or remote with a client who was impressed enough to give me a better offer and think i was a steal at that price... until a few months or a year later when they got tired of the fact i was so autistic and bipolar that i often was psychotic even when not  drunk and high which was infrequent.

sorry for the life story biography crap, but the fact i was so unstable that i fell in and out of more disciplines yearly than most people change jobs has given me much more of a 'big picture' insight and thousands of failures to choose from. i got fired, screwed up deals, bungled projects or sometimes even entire programs so bad... that i always managed to get myself over my head having to talk my way into a gig where i sunk or swam, but having to live under the constant pressure of proving i was worth tolerating being nuts enough to be certifiable - led to prodigious talent when enough years passed that i found myself being a scotty style miracle worker. 

the fact i wore nearly every hat that one can and normally had to rely upon ingenuity than money/reputation because only folks that would hire me were small enough to risk taking me at face value gave me a wide array of telecom/carrier/enterprise/smb consulting most people never learn because they are sane/stable/dont change jobs like most change underwear. jack of all trades and master of none is the saying, but normally better than those who know just one.

so i received the benefit of 25% big iron/telecom/major responsibility with the remaining 25% inredibly painful lessons in startups and tiny businesses without any capital. duct tape and zip tie engineering @ 80 miles an hour for clients that wouldn't spend money to do it right and threw more good money after bad than just doing it right the first time is why all this 'cloud' stuff makes so much sense to me. 

so sorry to go on a long tl;dr tangent but that's kind of my trademark move, and hope that it gives enough context that the simple answer to your question makes sense. why the hell would you pick getting locked in with citrix or vmware for application delivery in a proprietary manner to have to pay licensing simply to have less of a feature set and scalability than the tried-and-true client-server web/app/data tiered approach? premise cloud is just as simple of a concept for a 2k8r2 instance with all your software/uptime/redundancy/scalability safely in rackspace's hands (which dollar for dollar beats having them in your own be you one man show or fortune 500) that a single engineer can manage entirely on their own with cloud load balancers and spinning up instances from a known good state? 

http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/12/how-to-scale-a-1-billion-startup-a-guide-from-instagram-co-founder-mike-krieger/

look at slide 177: 

2 backend engineers can scale a system to 30+ million users. 

billion dollars. 30 million users. 2 engineers managing web/app/data tier. what this entire industry has been about for the longest time was making massive scale work, and if you have any in-the-trenches consulting experience you know most clients do it horribly be them microsoft or joe's fishing tackle supply store. it used to be the amount of iron/engineers/pipe/infrastructure you needed to pull off terminal services for an organization was too much capex to even consider with the roi. when your opex is based upon purely utilization and you don't have to cough up the licensing or cut that huge po and hire that staff, all of a sudden you can create a formula that always creates a neatly balanced equation. 

a few years ago it would make sense to run with this vendor, but i bet even with the cals and exchange doing it on rscloud and creating the necessary infrastructure to make it fully client/server and scale from 1-millions of users would take less time and cost less money. 

didn't even read the blurb about this solution or how it works, simply know that it's as outdated as writing a check at the grocery store or putting a tape in your stereo to hear your favorite song. :)
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