yeah, they did sell alot of phones, that is true. But so did Samsung, and i'm pretty sure more than the iPhone. It's still a popular phone, but the fanfare for the device is slowly waning. I don't want to argue any further. I could go on all day, but i know i am not going to convince you one way or another. I like the iPhone, it just doesn't personally fit my needs, and that's okay. It's a phone for certain people. I like Mac hardware i will admit that much, i just don't personally like their approach on software all that much. I would still love to own a mac pro for a laptop, and if someone offered me one for a decent price, i'd probably get a hold of one. When it comes to desktop/laptop OS offerings i love the software/hardware optimization that Apple's walled garden offers. However, the price stinks and the UI is horrible, save for i think they worked out alot of that with mavericks, finally. So there ya go, i don't hate Apple devices, but i don't want to hear the same rhetoric over and over again from Apple fans. It gets old, and most of it is blatantly false, and refuses to address allot of issue that Apple has with their services.