> Roger, I'm with you. ClearPlay is expensive. I rent probably 1-2 movies a
> month. Adding on the ClearPlay additional expense puts this in the luxury
> category. I'd still rather spend the money.
> So it's time for a business model discussion.
> Let's start with filter development.
> I like your crowd sourcing idea. I believe that there is a model where
> people will pledge dollars to have an enhancement made to Open Source
> software. A brief search yielded this result:
> and this result: http://micropledge.com/
That's a good idea.
I saw this site the other day:http://pcnoevil.org
which began attempting what we're envisioning...kind of.. As named as
"powerdvd remixes" :)
I guess my theory was that I could just find somebody to employ to do
it for me that would work for "$5 a movie" or its like. I mean, there
are probably lots of people out there who would love to get paid to
watch movies, after all :)
The other good news is that there's only a small corpus of "the most
popular movies" out there, really. I mean, I bet if you had just 250
filters, or maybe 500, you could cover 99% of the movies. So that's a
point in our favor (hopefully :).
> A website like micropledge could be developed with the purpose of filter
> development. Individuals like me could pledge pennies or dollars for the
> development of filters for movies. When enough funds are pledged to a
> particular movie, a "filter developer" would have enough motivation to
> create the filter and then cash in and receive the pledge money.
That would be good too. My assumption is that before a big enough
"crowd" can gather, some project has to "take the lead" and get a
reasonable corpus of filters created. *Then* enough traffic will
occur that others could pool it together. Actually I kind of like
this idea, maybe this would be a great way to encourage filters for
"lesser known" DVD's or the like. Awesome.
> There would
> need to be a way to rate the filter creators so that money could be pledged
> to filter creators who produce good filters. Perhaps there needs to be a
> waiting period so people could test the filters before the creator receives
> their money. Creators could compete. The creator with the best filter would
> get the pledge money. $90 a year in ClearPlay fees gives me money to pledge.
Yeah good point, I wonder if we could get some clearplay subscribers
to come to our side :)
> Now to the hardware. The problem with using PowerDVD is that filter
> developers don't control the platform. What if PowerDVD decides not to
> support the EDLs? All that work is down the drain. An open source DVD player
> or some type of contract with a legit company might work.
True. In reality sensible cinema tries to be all free, all open
source, which has better control.
Also I believe there may be a possibility of a way to convert
"filters" from one source type to another, like "you want it as
PowerDVD? great!" you want it as something else? great!
> You could require mplayer with libdvdcss2 installed on the machine so
> encrypted dvds will play. Or, (I don't totally know how this works but I
> think you do) mplayer with a paid codec to decrypt dvds. I suspect the same
> model would work with Blu-Ray.
Almost all mplayers for windows out there come with libdvdcss
"included" AFAIK. It's what I use for commercial DVD's and seems to
work fine for most DVD's (almost all, really).
> I suspect that people that are ClearPlay users are technical people. They
> know how to download files, extract them, load them onto a thumb drive and
> then put the thumb drive into the DVD player. This is the first target
> market. The innovators. (Remember crossing the chasm). These are the people
> that will hook computers up to their TVs. Once there's a working model, then
> you work to pass the grandma test. That could be a custom ubuntu
> distribution that you load onto a nettop and then grandma hooks it up to the
> internet and her television. Maybe there's an opensource blu-ray player that
> runs on Linux that's hackable. Perhaps an application could be loaded onto
> the PS3. Lot's of hardware options here.
That's a good idea--a dedicated hardware box with Linux and a DVD
drive. Yeah that might be a good distribution model.
I'll admit that I am more focused on the PC platform
currently--grandma for instance can probably run a program on her
computer and insert a DVD there. Yeah it scares me to target hardware
since 1) it costs the end user and 2) it's more of a business like
model, whereas I'm more looking into the "free distribution" model I
suppose, though I'm open for suggestion, and being funded can definitely encourage more work on it.
> You could sell advertising on the website or charge 10% of the pledge to run
> the site.
Unfortunately I basically stink at all things "business." I'm more of
the back end programmer that wants to make things tick.
> those are my recent thoughts on the matter.
Thanks, they're good ones.
> I'd like to see something like this take off.
Yeah, me too.
There's also this thread:http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=89466
you could read
through and respond to, there are some similar like minded people
Another possibility would be to target the "online streaming" viewers,
like netflix instant. Since we'd be the only boat in the water, it
might be easier to build a contributing/self funding community. Hmm...
I guess I'm torn as to the next "step here"...should it be a netflix instant "edited" viewer, or a website that allows for easy sharing of EDL's...hmm...