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HERE YOU GO FOLKS: ANOTHER INDUSTRY CONTEMPORARY WITH CRAZY IDEAS: IT IS HARD TO KEEP YOUR COOL WHEN IN A HEATED DISCUSSION ABOUT YOUR LIFE'S WORK BUT I TRIED - A GOOD READ
Robert WewerYesterday 7:52 AM
Just wondering about the slope on this. Standing seam on less than a 4/12 could be a problem. I have gone slightly lower but draw the line at 4 on 12.
dekonfrost71 day ago
well considdering that a standing seam roof need only .25 inches of fall per foot i think its another opinion you have done wrong
Robert Wewer1 day ago
So you are telling me and the world that a standing seamed roof only requires 1/4 inch rise per foot? Really? Whose specs? You are way off the reservation.
Robert Wewer1 day ago (edited)
Copper.org LOOK IT UP Low slope encompasses up to a 3 inch rise per foot and must be lap and solder.
Robert WewerYesterday 8:58 AM
I noticed a butt joint at the hip intersection where it was soldered. The pans should continue and wrap up and into the standing seam. You have to gut the layers to do this but butt joints break. Anyway - too flat for standing seam.
dekonfrost7Yesterday 1:11 PM
+Robert Wewer actually igor folds and hems everything. just like a shower liner and if the pans are built right, a 1/4 will work just fine..the fact that i looked at copper .org and they say to use a sealent in the hem just makes me laugh.my hems i usually hammer them planish tight. by your account my stills should leak too rofl...ha ha ha ha and my home made tinned lined spaghetti pot.lol
Robert WewerYesterday 2:20 PM
Well from a guy that trolls around bashing everybody I guess you have to dig yourself. 4 inch rise per foot is the lowest slope and has been for a hundred years. One can deviate slightly but carefully. A one inch rise per foot is definitely too low. It amazes me the lack of good specs when good money is paid out for professionalism. The poor consumer will be left holding the bag again
dekonfrost7Yesterday 2:30 PM
ha ha dude most of my customers are millionaires who know; where to, and with whom to spend their money with..i'm gonna in the spring and proof you wrong on every point you made.
dekonfrost7Yesterday 2:50 PM
you will notice that these guys contradict your opinion and that of copper org..it hast to do with the hems seams and upstands..if you knew what i know your head would explode..so just sit back and watch igor and ne do our thing and you bang down your yankee gutters anyway you see fit...because i operate in the east cost are i'm sure ill bump into you somehwere..also roofing is a hierarchy of does and donts that come into conflict all the time based on the architecture of the house me i could roof a house with tin foils and aluminum cans and sleep tight knowing it wouldnt leak..in fact the only roof i never put on was thatch...and green glazed tile which ive always been fond of..i for 20 years have gotten looks over it. so have a nice day
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Robert WewerYesterday 3:07 PM
This does not surprise me. I am at odds with several folks regarding bad specs that the blind installers follow. I thought you were down south. Oh boy. Bad winter this year but i guess you can rely on your underlayment like so many in this business. The Underlayment Craze again.....http://fourseasonsroofingandsiding.com/icewater.htm
Robert WewerYesterday 3:10 PM
PS. Narcissism is a tough condition. I wish you well.
Igor AkhmatovYesterday 8:47 PM
+Robert Wewer it's not my best piece.. and its soldered at hips.. and its shouldn't be standing seamed.. i know... but there is bureaucracy... there r guys supervisors, carpenters at this company who follow the architect blueprints exactly... standing seam was written there and you couldnt say a word... and there is that hip in the middle of nowhere.. more over there r no pitch to this gutter.. again noone was listening.. ive been at this house several times now cause they had wood shingles issues, and this gutter is full of debris. im just trying to do my best.. and i dont wanna be bad intaller, it's just sometimes hard to convince people that something goes wrong here with a baby face like mine..
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dekonfrost7Yesterday 9:36 PM
igor..i have been there, but i have been lucky to have a good wife so these days i can pick and choose the jobs i take.i can go broke thesame by not working or being forced to domething sub par. question does it leak? we both know the gutter is too small. you could tack some berger expanded copper as a gutter guard like for half round to drop in like a fountain soda cup tray..maybe thhat could help some.always a pleasure
Igor AkhmatovYesterday 10:08 PM1
+dekonfrost7 no, it doesnt leak.. i took some extra precautions flatseamed the joints in the gutter and double solder it so its nice thick layer of 50/50 there..
Igor AkhmatovYesterday 10:09 PM
+dekonfrost7 anyway... now i think im smarter then before
dekonfrost7Yesterday 10:22 PM
we all are..everyday..but this guy robert wewerinsists anything lower than 4/12 will leak..i know better..im not saying 1/4" per foot is good but if the seam was double lock and all folded where it meets the house and a double lock on all drip edges it know from experience it would be ok..matbe the screen would help with the gutter you know what i mean folded in three sides of a aquare and just rested in..
Robert wewer, the day when me and igor are wrong and your right will be a cold day in hell..Jan 31, 2014
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