+Scott Jordan +Elisa Tammela
Scott, that's much too long and involved a discussion for Google+.
Just a few thoughts: no one is or should be condemned for the biological structure of their mind (or body). But just as being biologically predisposed to an alcohol or drug addition should not be condemned, a person can't use that as an excuse to plunge head-first into alcohol and drugs.
You and Elisa believe (an act of faith) that homosexuality is innate. Others believe not. I believe the truth is it's neither wholly innate nor wholly environmental. But that's all irrelevant anyway.
It's not about being "cured" through prayer. Alcoholics and addicts are never "cured", they just learn make a choice to deal with their nature in a specific way.
Elisa, it's not about my sins or your sins or their sins. All people are part of the family of God. It's about our sins. Just as a truly loving family doesn't just turn a blind eye to Uncle Rory getting tanked and then trying to drive home, the loving family of God can't turn a blind eye and ignore the harm that these problems are doing. There are no private sins; they all affect the world around us.
The greatest commandment is to love the Lord your God, and the second is like it; that you love your neighbor as yourself. Christian love is active, and it is sacrifice. "This is love, that God so loved the world that he gave his only son", "greater love has no man than that he lay down his life for his friends".
Not "like" your neighbor; not "be kind to" you neighbor. Love your neighbor.
Read C. S. Lewis, "the Problem of Pain": “Love may, indeed, love the beloved when her beauty is lost: but not because it is lost. Love may forgive all infirmities and love still in spite of them: but Love cannot cease to will their removal. Love is more sensitive than hatred itself to every blemish in the beloved… Of all powers he forgives most, but he condones least: he is pleased with little, but demands all.” .
Which gets back to the original post. "Love the sinner, hate the sin".
Scott, Elisa, thank you for your posts here.