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+Steve McCracken The ones who are compensating for something I guess. You seemed to have missed the point.
 
Its easy to be tough hiding behind a gun ..
 
+Steve McCracken I was just commenting on your clever "wit". Guys who brag about their guns like it make them tough guys always seemed to me like - excuse my language - pussies. I'm not sure what you mean by "someday a gun will make my day" - if by that you mean some gun moron will kill me, that is always possible. If you mean that someday someone who owns a gun will save me - that is extremely unlikely. As you should know, a gun owner or his family is astronomically more likely to be killed by the gun he owns than ever to be saved by it.
 
Sometimes it's the only way to be.. behind a gun... to protect yourself from those who are supposed to be protecting us. I'm sure that if all the Occupiers carried guns.. They NEVER would have maced or pepper sprayed them..
When peaceful people have a way to protect them...Most of the time they don't bother them...
Obama orders enough hallow bullets to kill us 15 times over and he wants to take our guns away... How is that for Tyranny?
 
+Steve McCracken .. I live in Australia where we don't have to worry about the mentally unstable wielding guns down our streets .. concealed or not. This is what good gun laws do for a society & why people love coming here ..
 
Just before anyone misinterprets me - which I know will happen anyway. I am in no way against reasonable gun ownership - for hunting or to protect the home, and in some cases to be carried. I am talking about guys who seem to think flaunting their gun make them tough guys. I don't - like this sign I always thought it makes them look weak.
 
I have never in my life felt I needed a gun until this year... the signing of the NDAA... the no trespassing act.. The occupiers being brutally beaten for what?
OUR biggest problem is most of the people holding guns to protect us ARE mentally unstable or they wouldn't be brutally beating people for no reason.
I think you are a total idiot to think you are protected by our government.. if you do.. you have not seen enough of what is really happening around the world.
 
The fact that any of you believe that Obama has done anything , or even wants, to take away your guns says I can immediately dismiss anything you have to say on the subject.

You are out of touch with reality by a huge margin.
 
+Rob Gordon .. people need guns for home defence? That to me says America's gun laws are fucked up.
 
I think at least some of the "Obama is going to take our guns" crowd are pretty unbalanced. He hasn't proposed any gun legislation at all, and some people think there should be some.
 
Wow. That is a huge pile of steaming BS.

BTW that site seems to have a LOT of bad information on it. Just thought you should know.
 
I don't need a gun, iv never seen one, iv never met a gun victim or a gun owner but iv had plenty of fights over the years wit my fists.. Hell American gun law must work!!..
 
The average moron person does not need a gun .. period ..
 
1.”A free people ought to be armed.”
~George Washington

2.”To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them…”
~Richard Henry Lee

3.”The right of self-defense is the first law of nature; in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest possible limits. … and [when] the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.”
~St. George Tucker

4.”[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.”
~James Madison

5.”Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s teeth.”
~George Washington
 
What's funny .. is that because of your laws & freedoms .. you need to protect yourself from who? .. primarily the average person who own guns .. not people who legitimately may need to use a gun for their occupation like the armed forces, police etc ..
 
I will +1 your last comment +Jo Sparkles .. because each of the 5 points you made was hilarious & made me laugh
 
You can't get much more right wing than that article - they even brought Hillary into it - not to mention "God". As for the second amendment it was rather cleverly written to call for "a well regulated militia". The extremely conservative supreme court we have now has weakened it, but guns are supposed to have at least some regulation. Countries that don't aren't too pretty 0 Somalia comes to mind.
 
And last item before I head off to bed...

I don't hate gun advocates. I just feel sorry for those that have been brainwashed into thinking that their guns are about to be taken away and are panic buying.

As they say.... you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
 
A free people need to be armed???.
 
Hey +Steve McCracken I have a CHL and I like Obama. I'd like him even more if he'd actually propose some sensible gun restrictions. Given some of the comments I've read in thread, they're needed.
 
+Steve McCracken Not at all. I just firmly believe that those that fail to exhibit sound judgement about what is true and what is false in the world are incapable of responsibly wielding a firearm.

It just sucks that people's paranoia clouds their judgement of what I say to make them think I'm out to take away everyone's guns.

I just want the guns taken away from the unstable and violent.

After all, with rights comes responsibilities.
 
Free people don't get maced and brutally beaten to death by thugs in uniforms and I am not worried about someone taking my gun away... I am more worried about our laws being stripped more and more
 
Im British & don't need a gun, we just sell them to assorted brown people around the world " helps keep the population down" don't you know....
 
Also +Jo Sparkles .. we don't live in the times of the wild wild west anymore .. all those people you quoted .. have not lived for the past 200 to 300 years .. times were different back then .. cowboys needed their guns to protect themselves from the Indians .. how are those quotes relevant to us now? They are not relevant .. If they live in our time now .. do you honestly think they would have the same opinions? .. I highly doubt it
 
Do you live in the US? have you heard about the brutal beating that was aired all over the world last week about kelly Thomas? Police beat up a mentally-ill homeless man to death
We live in worse than the wild west.. we live with thugs being paid to brutally beat the shit out of people...This is just ONE of the beatings that takes place each day in the US... Please don't talk to me like a child.. I know that it's hard to believe but we really have a problem here in the USA
 
A couple of things. About Steve McCraken's "you don't live in California" comment. Well I do, and here in the beach area we had overweight, tatooed bikers flouting a loophole int the gun laws called "open carry". As long as their guns weren't loaded, they could carry them around to intimidate people and show how "tough" they are. Since it takes about two seconds to slap a clip in a gun the police hated this, but that is what I was thinking of when I said that I think guys who use guns to make people think they are tough are really wussies.

A second point is about regulation. No one is going to convince me that any individual needs an assault weapon. If you think need it because Obama is going to send his shock troops go get you, then they will get you even if you have an assault weapon.

Gordon Liddy - who I can't stand,made a good point on his right wing radio program years ago. He said no one really needs more than a revolver. If you can't get out of whatever trouble you are in with six shots, you are not going to get out of that trouble anyway.
 
+Jo Sparkles .. I live in Australia .. scroll up ..
This is an issue law enforcement agencies need to deal with.
"Manuel Ramos, a police officer from Fullerton, California, has been charged with second degree murder for allegedly beating a mentally-ill homeless person to death last year. His co-worker, Officer Jay Cicinelli, faces charges of involuntary manslaughter and excessive use of force".
The system is not perfect by any means & these situations occur from time to time. All you are focusing on is a few instances of police abuse to based your arguments on yet when you look at the statistics of police call outs to call outs that end in police beatings .. these incidents are few & far between.
They are people like you & me .. human. They have a job to do which in itself is dangerous enough. I'm not saying what they did is right or excusing them for their actions. But look at the overall picture before you single out 1 or 2 instances & imply this is all the reason why the average person needs a gun. Laughable & flawed logic ..
 
Perhaps everyone should be entitled to own the same kind of gun Washington had. The law and the piece matching might make more sense...
 
So sorry I wasted your time and glad you had a good laugh. good night..
 
+Ivo Bozic It is not really true to suggest that we don't have gun crime in Australia. We do but by comparison to the US much less of an issue. From our perspective guns as a precaution and for anyone not using them on the land such as a farmer to control feral animals or sports shooting clubs it seems very strange that so many in the US have and consider guns a solution. Having spent quite a long time in the US it is less strange to me now and frankly I am not sure it would be possible to reverse the reliance (emotional) on guns even if that was desired. I think that is totally unlikely to happen given the generations of imprinting as a 'right'.
 
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