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Our daughter Clara arrived on Friday, so I'll be away from the computer for a couple of weeks. Everything went perfectly, but we're all exhausted.

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I thought Ubuntu was supposed to be shipping GNOME now? "Ubuntu GNOME Shell" seems to be growing in scope every day...

Ubuntu GNOME Shell in Artful: Day 13

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alex285: +Christian Hergert it is extremely easy to get the reactions, all you have to do is to make a poll, Default Shell Vs Tweaked Dock/Panel

and i also believe that the users that matters to GNOME are actually the ones that are capable to try the alternatives, the ones who follow the project and those is the vote that counts more

from my side im very curious about the user feedback on the opposite side, the side of default GNOME. because apart users, it seems nobody likes it from the Linux vendors either

in Builder you dont really need feedback that much as in a desktop interaction, because the scope is more well defined, plus you are very good in your work. what you need is contributors

and contributors wont come when they see things like Photos not allowing setting search directories, or allow open with

what i wanna say is that "bad" choices in the popular modules like Photos App or Software App, and ofc Shell, get the excitement low and that affects everything negatively

and i may not do GNOME developing, but i get huge feedback from GNOME community, and i try to read almost everything

and yes GNOME is the most complete Linux desktop, but there are huge complains, that GNOME devs dont address correctly ..IMO ofc!

ps and another reason of GNOME success is that everybody else in Linux desktop is doing pretty bad. like seriously! genuine opinion!

alex285: +Christian Hergert my initial point wasn't to say whats better whats worse and prove it, i just saw Richard "complaining" for Ubuntu not shipping a default GNOME Session, and what i wanted to say is that i consider that normal, and i would do the same in their (Ubuntu) position, based first on some community feedback (at least what i get), on what other Linux (or not) vendors do, and then on my personal use

and it is not that Ubuntu forked Shell like Endless. they just added two extensions (the dock & system icons), disabled the hot spot and kept their own theme ..all perfectly justified to my eyes, apart the hot corner that i would like an option inside Settings to enable/disable it

but that last is perhaps a "fault" of GNOME. GNOME could had such an option inside Settings, because i see it! some people hit the hot corner accidentally! the ones that cant park a car either :)

alex285: +Christian Hergert it is not opinion, it is an observation. in this 6 years of GNOME Shell i have seen numerous such polls, and i have made lots too, i have reads thousands comments, plus about Ubuntu they did a survey too

getting feedback isn't science, but when we come to a UI matter isn't a search algorithm to be right or wrong ..you just collect feedback, there isn't other way

and the last time i saw GNOME asking for such feedback from their community, was never. and i mean through socials where lots of people can participate, not 20 people survey, or 5 people in Bugzilla which automatically make a case!

while you say that i push opinions as facts (which is partly true), you should be aware thats the main "complain" of GNOME users. we (as users) feel that GNOME developers ignore us, ignore our requirements, they dont respond, they dont explain, they dont post

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So Android Oreo has some square icons, some circular icons, some circular icons in square boxes, and circular icons in square boxes in circular shadows... Seriously Google WTF...

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Bert Vermeulen: +Mirco Müller the big deal with 8.0 is the internals -- specifically project treble. Rebuilding the foundation Android is built on isn't visible to the user, but decidedly justifies a major release. Calling this a "marketing stunt" because you can't see it is rather ironic.

Julian Andres Klode: +Mirco Müller Well, it has the nice advantage that the last digit of the year is the Android version +1 (or well, + 1 - 2010), and the .1 update is the winter update :D

Mirco Müller: The major number bump from 7.x to 8.0 is not justified considering the presented changes. It feels more like a marketing-stunt and a number like 7.2 or 7.3 would have made more sense.

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Dear Lazyweb, I need your help. Does anyone have a newish server system (it's not going to work on Laptops) that has any output from sudo dmidecode | grep "DMI type 42"? If you do, can you tar up the contents of /sys/firmware/dmi/tables and send it to me via email. If I can get this code working then I'll have another exciting blog post coming up. Thanks!

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There were 12945 failed login attempts since the last successful login. This is why you use a public key on a VPS...

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Dan Nicholson: LWN had an article about this a while ago. Apparently just changing the port is incredibly effective. Someone at work was trying to get us to do that and I always thought it wasn't worth the trouble. lwn.net - Dealing with automated SSH password-guessing [LWN.net]

Wolfgang Rupprecht: The don't allow root logins for publickey only is silly. You have a record of which key was used and hopefully one is smart enough to never reuse keys and never give two different people the same root key. Giving people the unix password has far more risk.

Wolfgang Rupprecht: you can save a bit of cpu time by blocking any source of repeated probing. I've had idiots repeatedly try hundreds of thousands of passwords over the course of a week even though each time the reply from my side was "authentications that can proceed: publickey". The fools that write the attack code can't be bothered to check the return values.

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If I bump soname on one of my libraries, does this mean all the symbols should be `Since:` the new branch version in the GObjectIntrospection markup? Do I also bump the nsversion? I figured the symbols would be essentially for a different library and thus needed bumping in the GIR. Help welcome, thanks!

Richard Hughes: +Emmanuele Bassi I changed API in some cases too. Using that logic, I of course bump the changed API in the gobject-introspection for the symbols that changed.

Emmanuele Bassi: The "Since" annotation is for the API documentation inside the GIR; the introspection binary data does not carry that information.

Additionally, changing the soname does not imply changing the API, only the ABI. Did you also change the API, and bumped major version?

You'll have to be more explicit as to what you actually did. :-)

Matthias Klumpp: +Richard Hughes I keep the "Since" annotations, because they make sense to keep. If a library user only relies on API prior to a certain "Since" version, they can - kind of - ensure they can still compile their code with older library versions.
If you drop API, you break that promise, but there is no "Removed since" annotation, and sometimes you have to drop/modify things. Still, even in that case, the since documents when the API was introduced, which is nice. You would loose that information if you changed it. It also does nothing to the GIR, and changing the annotation is a huge amount of annoying work.
For the nsversion, I personally did not change it for a while, but from my understanding of how that works, I think it should be changed on API/ABI breaks (so I should bump it, I guess?).

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LD Version Scripts seem a right pain in the arse. I've only ever had problems from using them...

GNU Gnulib: LD Version Scripts

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Do you have a Dell PowerEdge FC430, M630, FC630, M830, FC830, M420, M520, M620, M820 or FM120 with iDRAC >= 2.30.30.30? If so, help wanted please!

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Does anyone know how to write a travis/git-push hook to ensure LINGUAS is up to date in an meson project? The ever-awesome +Piotr Drąg keeps fixing my mistakes, but I'd really like to automate this kind of thing. Thanks!

trivial: Update LINGUAS by piotrdrag · Pull Request #216 · hughsie/fwupd

Add Asturian, Finnish, and Chinese (Traditional).

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Matthias Klumpp: Now even better integrated: github.com - appstream

Matthias Klumpp: I have a small script for that which I run on release, while l10n data itself is automatically pushed by Weblate.
Works pretty well for me, and Piotr is focusing on having great Polish translations instead of fixing up the file :-)
(also means that new locale aren't visible until the release is made, but I think that's okay)

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From looking at the last 3 days of review queue in the ODRS someone has clearly broken gnome-terminal on Kali Linux and people are filing 1 star reviews. Quite a lot of people submitting reviews with Kali are also using the C locale... :/

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Pekka Paalanen: Time for "convert review into a bug report" and "mark review suffering from bug ###", with some filtering options like ignore reviews suffering from a bug already fixed?

Mikko Rantalainen: How about the review UI asking if user wants to report an issue about the package instead of review if one star is selected? One star usually means "doesn't work" instead of "UI needs to be improved".

Pierre-Yves Luyten: +Pekka Paalanen imo it is not an issue reviews are bad because of bugs. One app has few bugs, thus it has few bad reviews. Another is very buggy, it has many bad reviews. This is not a wrong road. What is wrong is harsh reviews because of downstream bug. This is why i follow up +Alberto Ruiz regarding flatpak : in order to have consistent and reliable reviews, we need consistent and reliable apps no matter which distribution.

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