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- go back over and read my first several post.27w
- to clear it up, science helps us understand our world. It is a good thing.
It is based on observations. Go to a desert or ocean. Go way out in the middle. If you can't see why they came up with the flat Earth thing from observation, then we have no more to talk about.
6 day creation is based on the length of the day. So who knows what a day is to God?
Why do you think God owes you explanations? It still comes down to faith.27w
- And there is the faith card. Bye fellers, I'm not going to money around with this anymore.27w
- nope, I'm not owed explanations from God, you or anyone. I'm just saying if you assert that science is wrong because of a religious view, the burden of proof is on you. That's different from saying you're personal beliefs require proof, because they don't. As for the earth looking flat, sure, I guess it looks flat. The sun looks like the size of a tennis ball and whales look like fish. It's not really relevant, except it explains the context of the bible's original audience, which is why, if you account for context, I don't think the bible is necessarily at odds with science unless you read it literally, which I think most people know isn't how it's meant to be read. That's why, as I said before, I don't see a problem with belief in God unless it directly is at odds with what we know from science. Science doesn't concern itself with religion or God's existence. One really doesn't have much to do with the other. Religion deals with morality, how you live your life, it's purpose, etc. Science is about defining and understanding the physical world. No need to get defensive. I think I'm on your side here unless you're saying science isn't true. In that case, I disagree with you but you're entitled to whatever conclusion you come up with.27w
- you know we are just saying the same thing. I have faith in God. This comes from my experiences.27w
- I disagree with the notion that science doesn't concern itself with God's existence. The question about the reality of our universe is what science was made to answer. Science is the ever-progressing pursuit of fact.27w
- The existence of God is unfalsifiable really. Which means a believer can't use science to prove God and an atheist can't use science to disprove God. If the only reason for belief in God was to explain our existence and science, then sure, we'd use science instead of religion to figure it all out, and science would be at odds with religion. But I don't think many modern believers believe in God just because they think multiple universes is a weaker theory of the fine tuning of our universe than intelligent design. Their beliefs are more personal, ethical, motivational, etc. While the old testament is unrelatable to most, the New Testament carries much more credibility and relatability in modern times. Ideas such as we're all equal, humility, serving your fellow man, it's better to give than receive, and self sacrifice are all noble things to strive for, and science has no opinion whatsoever concerning ethics. In fact, scientifically, we're just animals surviving and reproducing. There's no reason given for anything. Just how it all works, but not "why". Maybe there is no "why", but philosophically speaking, if the whole universe is a random accident, and we're the only beings in the entire infinite mess that even realizes it's there or even contemplates it's meaning, you can't help but think it's all a big waste of resources! Now, whether belief in God is just the result of our need to make sense of everything or the realization of an actual higher being is up for debate and probably always will be, but judging by every past civilization having some form of belief in God, there's something in the human DNA that has always been there that seeks God, whether God is real or not. Many early scientists even saw science as the study of God's creation, and a noble calling, doing God's work. Surely science affects a believers concept of God, from the builder of a flat, domed snow- globe earth in 6 days to the writer of the laws of physics and designer of the universe, experiencing time in possible relativistic ways, but I think people are more concerned with coping through this short life than needing an explanation for the Big Bang. That's the real reason for God, not an alternative to science. It looks like that's what is saying too, at least that's how I interpreted what he said. Then again, he could be a flat earther who thinks Trump is the anti- Christ controlled by the reptilian shape shifters and illuminati.27w
- I disagree with the notion of God being unfalsifiable.27w
- Really? Fair enough. I've never heard anyone make that argument before. Not sure how you'd go about proving that. Even if you knew every detail of the creation of the universe, I could still say God designed it, right? How could you prove the absence of something? Bigfoot isn't even falsifiable right now. Not sure how anyone would prove the nonexistence of an eternal being that isn't even physically defined, but hey, now you have something to work on in your free time.27w
- That's kind of the angle I take. Science is, at it's heart, the process for determining fact. Does something exist or doesn't it?
If one is to claim that God exists, it implies that God is a part of our universe. To make such a claim is to have some knowledge of God. You said in your post that God (I'm assuming the God of the Bible here) is eternal. To make such a claim from knowledge (gnostic claim) you'd need real knowledge about this entity. The Bible calls God a male. Why does God have a gender? Does God reproduce sexually? Does God have a penis? If God is eternal, how can you prove this? Time travel?
What this line of questioning leads to is the understanding that most people know nothing about their God.
Where would they come across this knowledge? If God is invisible and unknowable and untouchable, how could you possibly know anything about this God?
And that's just it, they can't which means they know nothing of God.
To claim God is unknowable, is a self-defeating argument. To make such a claim, you either have to know something about God, or make shit up.27w
- Who controlling the Camera?26w