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+Richard Lucas  (bless his black little soul) made me owner of this conglomeration at a very odd time for me.
You see, my step-father is dying.
Cancer... and things are in their final stages.

I'm not going to go into his and my relationship except to say he has been good to my Mom and he has my respect.
So, if I miss a few posts you'll understand.

That said.... that is what this all about isn't it?
Enlightened Atheism.....No God...
and why do we have Gods?
Fear of death... a way to be immortal, supposedly.
I'm not the one who came up with that.....

http://ernestbecker.org/a-five-part-introdution-to-ernest-becker.html

So....that's the big question isn't it?
Is this a logical position, exclusively, or is this something that we as a culture, as a species, are beginning, slowly, to overcome?
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You know how you read something every now and again that kind of makes you go...oh yeah...never thought of that...

even for #philosophysunday  

if a=a and a=b, then why are these different values cognitively.
And they are.

the reference is considered a classic...

http://philo.ruc.edu.cn/logic/reading/On%20sense%20and%20reference.pdf
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The point of contact is the reference... The equal sign stands for that...
An apple is not an orange.... But maybe they weigh the same or have the same price....
They are equal in some way....

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On Angels
    The death of God left the angels in a strange position.

 They were overtaken suddenly by a fundamental question. One can attempt to imagine the moment. How did they look at the instant the question invaded them, flooding the angelic consciousness, taking hold with terrifying force? The question was,"What are angels?"

    New to questioning, unaccustomed to terror, unskilled in aloneness, the angels (we assume) fell into despair.

    The question of what angels "are" has a considerable history. Swedenborg, for example, talked to a great many angels and faithfully recorded what they told him. Angels look like human beings, Swedenborg says. "That angels are human forms, or men, has been seen by me a thousand times." And again:"From all my experience, which is now of many years, I am able to state that angels are wholly men in form, having faces, eyes, ears, bodies, arms, hands, and feet..." But a man cannot see angels with his bodily eyes, only with the eyes of the spirit.

    Swedenborg has a great deal more to say about angels, all of the highest interest: that no angel is ever permitted to stand behind another and look at the back of his head, for this would disturb the influx of good and truth from the Lord; that angels have the east, where the Lord is seen as a sun, always before their eyes; and that angels are clothed according to their intelligence. "Some of the most intelligent have garments that blaze as if with flame, others have garments that glisten as if with light; the less intelligent have garments that are glistening white or white without the effulgence; and the still less intelligent have garments of various colors. But the angels of the inmost heaven are not clothed."

    All of this (presumably) no longer obtains.

    Gustav Davidson, in his useful Dictionary of Angels, has brought together much of what is known about them. Their names are called: the angel Elubatel, the angel Friagne, the angel Gaap, the angel Hatiphas (genius of finery), the angel Murmur (a fallen angel), the angel Mqttro, the angel Or, the angel Rash, the angel Sandalphon (taller than a five hundred years' joruney on foot), the angel Smat. Davidson distinguishes categories: Angels of Quaking, who surround the heavenly throne, Masters of Howling and Lords of Shouting, whose work is praise; messengers, mediators, watchers, warners. Davidson's Dictionary is a very large book; his bibliography lists more than eleven hundred items.

    The former angelic consciousness has been most beautifully described by Joseph Lyons (in a paper titles The Psychology of Angels published in 1957). Each angel, Lyons says, knows all that there is to know about himself and every other angel. "No angel could ever ask a question, because questioning proceeds out of situation of not knowing, and of being in some way aware of not knowing. An angel cannot be curious; he has nothing to be curious about. He cannot wonder. Knowing all that there is to know, the world of possible knowledge must appear to him as as ordered set of facts which is completely behind him, completely fixed and certain and within his grasp..."

    But this, too, no longer obtains.


    It is a curiosity of writing about angels that, very often, one turns out to be writing about men. The themes are twinned. Thus one finally learns that Lyons, for example, is really writing not about angels but about schizophrenics......thinking about men by invoking angels. And this holds true of much other writing on the subject.... a point, we may assume, that was not lost on the angels when they began considering their new relation to the cosmos, when the analogues (is an angel more like a quetzal or more like a man? or more like music?) were being handed about.

    We may further assume that some attempt was made at self-definition by function. An angel is what he does. Thus it was necessary to investigate possible new roles (you are reminded that this is impure speculation). After the lamentation had gone on for hundreds and hundreds of whatever the angels use for time, an angel proposed that lamentation be the function of angels eternally, as adoration was formerly. The mode of lamentation would be silence, in contrast to the unceasing chanting of Glorias that had been their former employment. But it is not in the nature of angels to be silent.

    A counterproposal was that the angels affirm chaos. There were to be five great proofs of the existence of chaos, of which the first was the absence of God. The other four could surely be located. The work of definition and explication could, if done nicely enough, occupy the angels forever, as the contrary work has occupied human theologians. But there is not much enthusiasm for chaos among the angels.

    The most serious because most radical proposal considered by the angels was refusal --that they would remove themselves from being, not be. The tremendous dignity that would accrue to the angels by this act was felt to be a manifestation of spiritual pride. Refusal was refused.

    There were other suggestions, more subtle and complicated, less so, none overwhelmingly attractive.

    I saw a famous angel on television; his garments glistened as if with light. He talked about the situation of angels now. Angels, he said are like men in some ways. The problem of adoration is felt to be central. He said that for a time the angels had tried adoring each other, as we do, but had found it, finally, "not enough." He said they are continuing to search for a new principle.

Donald Barthelme
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Good has been expressed. Better is the test. Personal struggle is just that personal. If I'd have been born a Hilton, my lessons would have different, not better, just easier to avoid consequences, that still doesn't prove better. 
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αρχαίος
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Not unique to us
the first tool

How food and status are gained
Simply a reality

But we gave it a name
and a face
turned it into something other
The way to another place
A separate existence
that is yet, somehow
not here
but just on the edge

Like anything that refuses our sight
we fill it with myth
fears and darkness

We hear the voices of those 
trying to get through the small crack
in the wall
that we built
to keep it out

even though we created 
and populated it

Perhaps Tartarus is not as far away
as we have been lead to believe





“The gateway to the underworld is seen as part antiquity
 and part theatre.
 Welcome to the lower depths.” 
― Peter Ackroyd
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Fascinating take on this.
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put this link in another post...but it deserves some attention on it's own..

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/03/denial-science-chris-mooney?page=1
How our brains fool us on climate, creationism, and the vaccine-autism link.
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Been an interesting week...maybe a little too much so...
for #philosophysunday...take a few minutes, maybe a cup of your favorite...
and let this wash over you

http://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2015/03/05/wittgenstein-schoolteacher/
What the philosopher learned from his time in elementary-school classrooms. Ludwig Wittgenstein, who knew how to sully a chalkboard with the best of them. Every philosophy major has at some point had to answer the standard challenge: “What are you going to do, teach?” It’s especially frustrating after you realize that, for someone with a... <a href="http://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2015/03/05/wittgenstein-schoolteacher/">Read More</a> <span cla...
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...my take?....

I am glad I am not a genius.
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Something I read today......

“We have become victims of our own art.
 We touch people on the outsides of their bodies, and they us, but we cannot get to their insides and cannot reveal our insides to them.
 This is one of the great tragedies of our interiority-it is utterly personal and unrevealed.
 Often we want to say something unusually intimate to a spouse, a parent, a friend, communicate something of how we are really feeling about a sunset, who we really feel we are-only to fall strangely and miserably flat.
 Once in a great while we succeed, sometimes more with one person, less or never with others.
 But the occasional break-through only proves the rule. You reach out with a disclosure, fail, and fall back bitterly into yourself.” 

Ernest Becker, The Birth and Death of Meaning



...true far too often...
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Book of Questioning V
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Question:
Is this....

Real?

Answer:

No

Think

Would you even wish for such a thing?






“If there's a single lesson that life teaches us,
 it's that wishing doesn't make it so.” 
― Lev Grossman
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The painting by Hu Chi-Chung is the prompt....
Others see flowers and things.
I perceive something a little darker...and much older
 
αρχαίος
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Not unique to us
the first tool

How food and status are gained
Simply a reality

But we gave it a name
and a face
turned it into something other
The way to another place
A separate existence
that is yet, somehow
not here
but just on the edge

Like anything that refuses our sight
we fill it with myth
fears and darkness

We hear the voices of those 
trying to get through the small crack
in the wall
that we built
to keep it out

even though we created 
and populated it

Perhaps Tartarus is not as far away
as we have been lead to believe





“The gateway to the underworld is seen as part antiquity
 and part theatre.
 Welcome to the lower depths.” 
― Peter Ackroyd
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Ironman to the rescue? Stoneman didn't do so well, industrial man had made the globe worse. Perhaps we should define Iron man beyond a concept? They did actually advance society, our tweaks have made it worse, just saying. 
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note to a friend
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a misunderstanding---


"when have I ever disrespected you?
I play along......I get it.
There are times.... 
It needs to get weird... 

"Every now and then, needs to raise the Black Flag....

 and begin slitting throats"

But what I was talking about
 was people....people who lived at a time when the wolves

 literally

were at the door....
 
they went out into the world armed with a stick,
 and somehow they scratched out a living...
made babies, somehow made us.

one day one of them went down,
 permanently
they laid him in a grave 
and put his favorite stick and some flowers in with him...

the question is, what were they thinking?
where was he going
    that maybe he could smell those flowers
      maybe have a use for that stick.

They weren't us...they weren't even human beings.
But they missed him, 
and said their goodbyes.

There is a lot in this world that is f$%^ed up
    and it deserves all the crazy you can muster......
 but sometimes

sometimes

you take off your hat and stand still as the angel rolls past.

peace and love....



"Death is not the worst that can happen to men."
Plato
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I can save you about an hour and a half...not that it isn't interesting...it is...
However, the bottom line is we have a fairly good idea what consciousness isn't........

...but they are working on it....
 
Random Science geekery.

"  MindScope is our first bold step into discovering the roots of how brain matter gives rise to sensory awareness and consciousness.  "
 Christof Koch, Ph.D., Chief Scientific Officer

http://www.alleninstitute.org/our-research/research-science/mindscope/

http://brain-map.org/

+Allen Institute for Brain Science 
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I have nominated some people to the role of moderator.....
what skills they bring to the job are unimportant as long as they swear unceasing fealty to the powers-that-be....

All hail the dark lord


(at least buy him a beer)
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I'll have to raise the posting tax to afford buying beer for the dark lord, but hey, it's for a good purpose, right?
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