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Who do you think should win the Oracle-Google trial, and why?
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I hope Oracle wins and Java is removed from Android and new apps are to be written in Python, Javascript and C++ :) #JavaSucks
 
I think we all should win it by Googacle skipping the whole trial, jointly developing something awesome and laughing all the way to the bank and leaving us with a superior version of whatever it is they are fuzzin' and fightin' over.
 
You’re asking on a Google site, let’s see those answer be non biased.
 
I want Google to win, I feel Oracle is just tryin to be greedy :P
 
I wish they stopped all this litigation bullshit. You guys need a patent reform.
 
I think Google should win.. Oracle is just being against development of technology.
 
Not sure who will win, but the end user will lose, because all the money they will drop in this lawsuit could be used in much more important stuff for technology development.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Oracle doesn't seem to be doing itself many favors with this approach. Assuming they win copyright protection over Java as a language, wouldn't that be the surest way of ensuring that Developers move away from the platform? IN it's bid to bleed Google, Oracle seems to be hurting the long term prospects for Java itself.
 
most likely it'll be settled outside the court. We all know greedy Oracle wants more than what it's worth.
 
+Gabriel Walsh You're right, but Oracle's problem is that they bought Sun because of the IP value. If they don't extract that value, then all they've done is gained more control over the Java platform, which is nice but not worth what they paid. Frankly, the mistake was buying Sun in the first place.
 
+Aaron Sherman I totally agree with you. I don't really agree that Oracle is right in going after Google, but the business case is certainly there. I am cheering for Google, but honestly think they will end up having to pay some $$ to Oracle, Sun Java's overlords.
 
Oracle ruins everything they touch. Remember how much Sun helped the Open Source community? Remember how, almost exactly when Oracle took them over OpenOffice forked to LibreOffice?
 
I still remember Oracle trying to con our government into believing they weren't compliant with their database client licenses, claiming every trafficlight in the traffic management system was essentially a unique client - they lost that too...
 
Many of you are violating my copyright on English used in Google Plus.
 
+Luís Pinto is correct in my opinion. We will end up the loser, no matter which party is the winner.

I really think the whole patent system is borked and needs an overhaul.
 
The fact of the matter is that Oracle and Google both have reasonable interests here, and have both made significant contributions to the evolutions of the technologies in question. That said, I do agree that the litigious approach isn't the best way to reconcile the issues of primary contention.

I wish Oracle and Google coders and management had sat down over lunch, had a few thumb wrestling matches, and maybe a "spork" fight, and found a way that both teams could collaborate together to work toward a better 'average-user' experience.

This approach would have shown others in 'high I.T.' that innovation does require group-think, and that many good brains, company loyalties notwithstanding, are what's needed for true advancements.

The problem in the propriety world is that there is an obsession with the growth of the expected return, which, of course, is to be expected, and while that is reasonable, and normal in our capitalist economy, I do think there are other ways within our capitalist structure to maximize not just profits, but the advancements that American and international technology users want and need.

Some good examples include the way many in I.T. research communities build phenomenal apps of all kinds in parts and upload their findings as they go, then these parts are assembled as the project starts to take shape, then, the app goes Beta, and then, should there be commercial interest, that whole process begins.

The point is that user-functionality and research should be driving the innovation and costs in I.T., not battles over who owns what. I think most people would agree that while some apps are "better" than others for certain purposes, for the most past, computing, in general, comes down to a series of personal preferences.

The basic goals of most computing have been achievable for a very long-time. We have been in a process of refinement and specialization for some decades now. Let's quit quipping and litigating, and start creating apps that will benefit the communities in which we work, and support the average user experience.

Onward and upward!
 
I just want to see software patents go away. Many years ago it made sense to patent intellectual property, now it's doing more harm than good. Whenever you want to make something, you have to invent hot water all over again in order to avoid stepping on some pointless patent. Instead of improving good things, we just make many more of the same, but slightly different.
 
Google should definitely win, and I think that the effect of Oracle wining this trial is too great.
 
Patent laws need reform. They were written in an age that advanced much slower than it does now. I think a simple change that would help is a much shorter term for patents. Outlaw patent trolls. They are counter to all innovation and openness.
 
Google :) Because Android is amazing and is also more open than the competitors.
 
This is going to hinge on whether or not the judge understands what an API is. If Oracle wins this one, look out. It'll be hunting season. Someone will surface with a "copyright" to the login / password key-value API concept and every authenticated website on the internet will be in violation.
 
Gotta love tech entertainment
 
It's not about who should win. It's that Oracle, like Sun before it, can't wrap its head around what a programming language needs in order to survive and thrive.

If Oracle wins the trial, they lose the future. Google will stop using Java in Android, and due to the bite of the litigation, will likely stop using Java for future projects. Oracle would, by attacking Google for using the language, potentially force one of the world's largest companies to stop using Oracle's mainstay programming language. That will greatly reduce the number of programmers who wish to learn or use the language in the future, since there will be fewer reasons to do so.

Sun did the same thing years ago against Microsoft (though to be fair, MS was in their "embrace and extend" phase, and would most likely have tried to bastardize the language). The result was that Microsoft stopped updating the JVM for Windows and ultimately created a huge hole in Java usage that took years to recover.
 
As usual with this sort of thing, you can always head over to www.groklaw.net for the full story. Oh, and Google. Who also win Oracle's pants.
 
Oracle lazy try to eat a bit of cake!
 
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Google because how can you copyright a language and API's its so ridiculous
 
Both Google and Oracle are both known for buying out the competition and then killing it off. Putting to heavy hitters in the ring is kind of amusing till the repercussions filter down to the everyday user. Persoanlly, after what Oracle did to Sun, I am backing google.
 
A thief is a thief. Whether it's corporate or personal. If Google stole, they should pay for it. If they didn't, Oracle should pay for the negative PR and huge compensation. Interesting legal battle over ideas. I wonder if everyone will be made to pay the Thomas Edison foundation a fee for every time we switch an incandescent light on?
 
and that's I that's why I hate Oracle making the Open Office a dead product and trying to make money from another open source programming language which isn't their own product. I feel pity for Sun Microsystems.
 
I can tell you who will loose in any case: Users
 
Neither should win outright , then everyone using Java will have to step back and ask of Oracle - WTF!! get your house sorted and be more open to the developers & users - perhaps then Oracle will get a better if somewhat reduced stream of revenue & it wont go breaking the backs of others in its greed
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