This is an interesting chat. The #NoEstimates
"debate" should be written up as a case study in occupying opposing ends of a football pitch and throwing spears and insults at each other rather than having rational debate and agreement on common ground. I might have offended Peter by suggesting that in the past (Sorry Peter!). I was impressed by his articulation in this video.
I was skeptical about the idea at first of #NoEstimates
and came to appreciate some of the subtleties in reforming estimates
and how they are used by teams and businesses.
There's been far too much personal sniping to see some sensible compromise that normal people can action - which is what is sorely needed. Estimates taken as guarantees is a bad idea. Refusing to estimate is obviously ridiculous.
I wish people would turn more to the idea of probabilistic estimates using past performance data rather than deterministic "story point" estimates.
I've written a bit on that subject previously:http://scrumprouk.tumblr.com/post/82276915976/agile-estimating-in-a-scrumban-contexthttp://scrumprouk.tumblr.com/post/74824285728/kanban-work-items-to-slice-or-not-to-slice
Good interview though - thanks +Mark Kawasaki
and +Matthew Hooper