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I know it is based on Gnome 3, which is why I said ":P", but I'm serious about how great Cinnamon is.
I agree that it is slow, but so is everything else!  I just think it is the perfect blend of what everyone is searching for.  It is still young.  Give it another couple years and it will be even better. 
Everyone is searching for ? Can I disagree ? I think windows classic like UI are not the right answer for everyone.

And I'm just a linux user since 1997 even if I'm linux user only since 2007.
You can disagree with me if you want.  I have been using Linux a very long time too.  My focus has always been on the non-geek-types.  I have been supporting grandma, and office users since before 2K.  Gnome 3 isn't what they want.  KDE has always seemed like Netscape Navigator for looks and feel.  Cinnamon takes all the coolness of G3 and the simplicity of KDE/Windows and makes it a reality.  You'll notice that Linux Mint is the number one distro on Distrowatch.  I don't think it is because of how amazing Mint is under the hood.  I think it is a direct result of Cinnamon.  Slow or not, different or not, it isn't the millions of geeks that are going to make Linux win on the desktop.  It is the hundreds of millions of users that aren't geeks that will make Linux the sure winner of the desktop. 
Throwing my $0.02 in with +Cory Hilliard

Linux on my servers since '99.  Linux on my desktop until somewhere around the release of OS X 10.4.

Why?  Because OSX is *nix under the hood and a beautiful, stable, easy to use, yet powerful desktop experience, IMHO.

And given that OS X is the, by far, hands down, dominant *nix for desktops... I think we Linux-loving types can learn something from that.  Until Linux can deliver that smooth and enjoyable of an experience, we aren't going anywhere on the desktop, though we've dreamed of it for decades.

And I think that's why Mint, Bodhi and the like are a step in the right direction for gaining traction on the desktop.
+John Graber I'm so sorry to hear about your fall from grace.  Let us know when you make it out of the apple (walled) garden.  Until then, Linux on.  On a side note, distrowatch is not much more than a who clicked what list.

Wow, didn't this post spiral out of control?
Can we not devolve the discussion into a pissing match of what flavor of Unix/Linux you use or whose beard is longer, when the point is that we'd all like to see Linux do well on the desktop?

What is your suggestion with regard to that, +Kent Seaton?
+John Graber
"Until Linux can deliver...", it is not some thing you can expect from linux. If you wont something, make it or pay some one to make it. If not, just shut up.
+John Graber I enjoy pissing all over apple and try to do so whenever the opportunity presents itself. This being a post originally from the Linux foundation, I see no point in posting even a nod towards that rotten fruit company. As I'm sure you are very well aware, osx is not Linux. I hope that is clear enough.

Let us stop here and remember the original post. I've always enjoyed the rants of Linus.
You know, +Oleksij Rempel, I agree with you.  And that's why, as much as I'd like to see it, I don't see the desktop happening for Linux.

(And I hope it would be obvious that someone running Linux on his servers for 15 years has a reasonable grasp of how Open Source and the Linux community work.)

Perhaps if a major corporate entity with an interest developing a Linux desktop line of business for themselves devotes the time and resources (including marketing) — maybe akin to what Apple did with BSD (or what Google is attempting with ChromeOS) — we will see it happen.

But I think it's precisely what we (I assume) all love about Linux — the roll-your-own, make it yours, even create your own distro if you like — flexibility that is actually slowing or preventing Linux desktop adoption by the "non-geek" masses.
Okay, +Kent Seaton.  I hope that was therapeutic for you.  And who doesn't enjoy a good rant from Linus?

Simply put, my reading of the subject line was Linux on the desktop.  And if it was not clear, my point in mentioning other *nix variants such as OS X is that it is possible for Linux to make great headway in the desktop market.

And as is so often the case, holy wars develop.  Only a few posts ago we had people getting into it over Gnome/KDE/Cinammon.  I could have just as easily mention that I think OpenIndiana has promise for some uses and offended someone here.  It's the reality of IT, all the way back to Emacs and vi.

At it's root, this is why we won't see Linux on the desktop unless an corporation with interests in seeing it happen gets into the fray and says "this is the desktop Linux environment we will offer to our customers and support".  Our very freedom to choose, tweak and develop whatever we want, while a wonderful thing for us, prevents it from happening with the general public.
:facepalm: I'm just going to mute this...
This may happen over time as the masses move to a tablet only world. The people involved in computing who will still nee a workstation are more likely to switch. I think Linux may eventually dominate "what's left" of the desktop market.
I like my Desktop PC to be honest.  No need for a laptop!
Now that's an interesting idea, +Timothy Ehlers.

A twist on that being, if Linux tablets and their interfaces make any headway in the marketplace, it could lead to some of those tablet users trying Linux on their old desktops for the common environment.
We're getting there slowly but surely surely. I can natively run netflix on my Ubuntu desktop
I think a great post for this group would be "How many have you converted to Linux?"  I'm at around 24 computers/laptops and about 30+ family members using those computers.  

Let's get real here.  Ease of installation, CLI, Package managers, open sourced drivers and sandboxes aren't going to make the desktop user's decision to move to Linux happen.  It is a combination of us, their geek friends and the simplicity of the GUI that is going to be the driving force behind massed adoption.  Yeah all those other things matter, but how many desktop users WANT to install their OS?  How about NONE.  These users are using windows because that's all they know or think is available.  It came with their computer and everyone uses it so they never question it.

Until they call us because something isn't working and until we inform them that there is a solution to their problem, they won't have any reason to switch to Linux.  I've seen people wait up to an hour for their computer to boot, because Microsoft has created a generation of "bend over and take it" people.  They have no clue how enjoyable computers can be with Linux.

Desktop users just want to click on their Youtube links, laugh at facebook pictures, skype and check email.  Chrome is doing so well because it offers these things cheaply and on a basic, but easy to use GUI.  There is no mention of Linux because they know nobody really cares about Linux except for people like us.

That's why I think Cinnamon is so important.  It is something that works, is sexy and more importantly it is what they're used to.

I've been using Cinnamon on my Fedora machine since the day Cinnamon was released on Fedora.  I haven't hoped in Gnome 3 since.
Indeed: GNU/Linux is easier to install and use, every day more. The installation and upgrading is absolutely fantastic.
 The desktop environment is not that limiting and there are at least 5 totally usable.
Some standardization for OEM is needed, and work hard on and with hardware makers to improve compatibility and open "drivers" availability. I think it is absolutely stupid an HP laser printer not working fine with Linux, not even with cr@py hplip !!
I want it too for every individual home user, Linux in the Desktop is powerful
Linux on the desktop would be good, but if, and only if they don't come up with something like gnome 3, something simple and easy to use, like gnome 2x
Can we start a "Linux desktop challenge" ?
I have, cinnamon is very good, but mainstream distros like cent, oracle and rhel don't use it
That's probably because the people that build the mainstreams are the same people that build Gnome 3.
Home version is preferably to be beautiful and powerful, mainstream version by contrast could be simple but fancy to manage its own powerful
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