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Hey, I've joined all the cool kids in having one of the new Google "Pixel" laptops (aka Chromebooks).  And it is a beautiful screen, to the point where I suspect I'll make this my primary laptop. I tend to like my laptops slightly smaller, but I think I can lug around this 1.5kg monster despite feeling fairly strongly that a laptop should weigh 1kg or less.

Because the screen really is that nice.

And I really appreciate not just the pixels, but the form factor. I despise widescreen displays, but I had gotten resigned to them. Until now. 3:2, baby!

I don't understand why people complain about "black bars", when I can't see why it would be any different to have "no pixels at all", which is what the silly widescreen displays do. 

I'm still running ChromeOS on this thing, which is good enough for testing out some of my normal work habits (ie reading and writing email), but I expect to install a real distro on this soon enough. For a laptop to be useful to me, I need to not just read and write email, I need to be able to do compiles, have my own git repositories etc..

Side note: I also have the Nexus 10, which also has tons of pixels, but on that one I didn't get the feeling that I could use the pixels very well... Sure, I could run a web browser and make the text smaller, but without a keyboard I can't reasonably write anything, and without the option of installing a full Linux distro I couldn't see it replacing my laptop anyway, so getting a BT keyboard didn't seem all that relevant either. 

One thing that the Chromebook Pixel really brings home is how crap normal laptops have become. Why do PC manufacturers even bother any more? No wonder the PC business isn't doing well, when they stick to just churning out more crappy stuff and think that "full HD" (aka 1080p) is somehow the epitome of greatness.
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Ain't it pretty? I love my Google loaner, but, wow that retail price-tag. 
 
Having a high pixel count and low machine weight is great and all, but what can I do with it?
 
Definetly update us when you have collected some experiences with using it as a programming station. 
I have considered buying one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Zenbook-Prime-UX31A-AB71-13-3-Inch-Ultrabook/dp/B00863L3K4/ref=dp_ob_title_ce 
it also at least features full hd.
but ye.. pretty heavy price (also for the chromebook) and with my students budget, I think I have to wait until they get a bit cheaper to do my Android and java programming on one of them. 
 
Widescreen hater here too, well said. It's great for movies (and then only HD movies--not my typical Star Trek episodes on Netflix), sucks for everything else.
 
Thanks for your thoughts on this, +Linus Torvalds!  This is the first product that actually has me thinking that I need to move back to the Bay Area so I'll have enough bandwidth to utilize it.  :-)
 
Couldn't agree more. However, being outside US, I will have to wait ...
 
The Pixel is an awesome laptop, even Chrome OS is awesome. It just needs a cheaper price and more Native Client apps ;)
 
"No wonder the PC business isn't doing well, when they stick to just churning out more crappy stuff and think that "full HD" (aka 1080p) is somehow the epitome of greatness." /sign like 1000x
 
For web browsing you really can't beat that aspect ratio. 
 
As for the Nexus 10  -> Ubuntu (well, probably in the future)
 
How does Google scale the screen ( so that the text isn't super super small - do you just zoom in in Chrome)? Apple kind of hacked high res (everything looks the same size just better). Isn't it amazing that Apple / google beat the traditional PC makers to high res screens...probably due to Windows DPI and legacy scaling issues, they actually can't make this screen work in windows?

Meant to add I'm going to buy one of these also just for the screen...finally a decent replacement to my T41p IPS..
 
You need to replace the SSD of the Chromebook, it is way too small to be useful.
 
I guess the price point isn't so bad from the perspective of us Linux-users –the Pixel is a nice piece of hardware that we can slap an alternative OS on (if you're not so keen towards the cloud/web stuff).
 
+Brian Paone: well, you can install a full Linux distro, and it's just like any other laptop. Except it has a better screen than anything else you can buy out there. At that point, you're paying for the premium.

With ChromeOS, I agree that it's just an "appliance". If you live in the google universe (and web browsing), that may well be good enough, although at that point I agree that the sticker price on this thing means that the appeal is limited to people who just have too much money.
 
I have a full distro running in chroot on my Samsung Chromebook right now -- best of both worlds! I can use straightup ChromeOS for most of my daily slacking, and flip over to a full Linux installation and get actual work done when the urge strikes.
 
Compared to the garbage 1366x768 TN panels that find their way into most laptops these days, that somehow manage to crush whites and blacks at the same time, a 1080p IPS panel really is incredible.

That said, it's beyond pathetic that it took ten years for anyone to match IBM's 15" QXGA IPS panel in the R50p. And even now the rMBP and CBP are widely regarded as oddities and not the salvation of the laptop form factor.
 
Great to hear you're enjoying it! Have you thought about using an SSH client to get into one of your other machines to do real work? Also, what do you think about the viability of combining ChromeOS and Android? Do you think that would solve anything or just create more problems?
 
Linus, i don't think I have seen you being happy for anything lately. This is good thing for a change :) That laptop must be really good :)
 
I love the screen on this but the price tag....dang so expensive. I guess the hardware is that advanced to carry that kind of price though. But google could have at least thrown in a dedicated gpu for $1300, unless the screen is really that expensive. Regardless, even if I don't get it, I hope the pixel will motivate manufacturers to step up their game when it comes to notebook screen resolution.
 
Since HD TV all of the monitors seem to stop at the 1080p equivalent. My old HP laptop I gave to my daughter had a higher resolution screen. I hope the Chrome book is the kick in the ass the laptop manufacturers need to support better resolutions.
 
Displays need to take a step up on anything not just laptops.
 
Agree that most ordinary laptops have become real crap. I would love to get my hands on a Chromebook Pixel to check out that screen. And see what i should replace my Lifebook T580 with :)
 
+Paul Nolan: the screen zooming is interesting under ChromeOS. It seems to special-case the google services: you can set the text size to "Really small", and it really ends up being tiny (which I like on a laptop: the screen is smaller than my desktop, so I have it closer, and I want text to basically scale with pixel size).

But then on the G+ page, I get big text, and not the "lots of vertical whitespace". It kind of works, although I still think the G+ pages are wasteful in real-estate.
 
Just a reminder on price point for this:  Not sure why Google doesn't emphasize it more, but if you need or can use the online storage that is bundled with the Pixel - It is actually cheaper to buy the pixel, than just pay for the storage.

1 TB = $50 Monthly x 36 months = $1800
Pixel is bundled with 3 years (36 months) of 1 TB storage.
If I had some useful bandwidth, I'd buy one immediately.
 
I might order one now, do you get a commission on sales?
 
Anxious to hear how it holds up with your development routine once you get a full distro on there.
 
Agree 100% on the sorry state of current laptops, and have been wondering why Apple seemed to be the only manufacturer that cares about resolution... unitl now.
 
i agree it's a nice laptop.  my only question is, what will you use it for?  photo editing? playing game? coding? 3d art work like blender?
 
3:2 on a laptop is a bit... odd, I have to admit.
 
+Danny Meeks: you'd pay more for a dedicated GPU? To me, that lowers the appeal of a laptop. It just means worse power, more problems, and higher latencies.

You haven't used Intel integrated graphics lately, have you? It's way surperior to the alternatives. Sure, you may not want to do serious gaming with them, but then, you wouldn't want to do that on this machine anyway. 

Intel integrated graphics became quite usable with SB (and the one generation before SB "on the same package" GPU was borderline). With IvyBridge, it's perfectly fine for any normal use on a 2560x1700 display. Again, with "normal use" not including some FPS gaming or other. Which isn't what I do.

So I wouldn't suggest this machine for a gamer, but that's really not the point of it anyway.
 
Yeah, I also got sick of Notebooks/laptops with 16:9 aspect ratio.
16:9 fullHD with 15".. WTF.Who need this, unless you do not work on it and just watching movies. On a 15" screen... some people are really masochists.. but hey, it got "Full HD". As I mentioned bevor.. most people in the first world are plain stupid sheep, buying the wrong stuff just because all the other stupid sheep got lured into it, by selling arguments like "it got full HD".

I remember this from the movie Idiocrazy..

...it got electrolytes in it!
 
I remember +Linus Torvalds complaining earlier over low screen resolutions on laptops, guess your happy now. I've also got the Pixel, it's a perfect device.
 
+Linus Torvalds Have you see the Eee PC series? They're pretty much like Chromebooks before there was such a thing, but they're full x86 PCs with Atom CPUs. Not super powerful but small and lightweight. :) I've got a Eee PC 901 (8.9") screen and love it for when I just want to quickly check email and such on a bigger screen than my phone.
 
re: "how crap normal laptops have become. Why do PC manufacturers even bother any more? No wonder the PC business isn't doing well"

keep in mind that the 'pixel' is priced in the $1400 ballpark, normal laptops that normal people buy are selling closer to the $400 mark which is 1/of the reasons why they are crap and not selling. 

another reason PC's are not selling is that normal people are finding since they purchased <insert your favorite tablet name here> and have  as <insert smartphone of choice here>  they don't need/use their laptop near as much or at all 
 
What's your current laptop? And weight by the way?
 
Waiting on your review after full distro install.
 
IF you run Ubuntu on the Pixel, would the touch screen be enabled?  (please say yes!)
 
Yeah. I wonder what's the full distro Linus would choose
 
If it had a real gpu in it, I would love one of them too... But Intel HD isn't good enough yet.
 
Care to play Asteroid2012 on it... lol, I am just putting the finishing touches to the Linux build!
 
I have an Intel hd 4000 in my desktop. Linus is right. For Linux, Intel graphics is king unless you are a hard core gamer which I am not. 
 
+Linus Torvalds My only problem with Intel graphics is you have to make sure it is actual Intel and not the 3rd party stuff. If the X drivers support it, it is almost always the Intel graphics. (The 3rd party stuff is almost all proprietary and not as good as the Intel in-house chips.)
 
oh well "Sorry! Devices on Google Play is not available in your country yet." 
 
Linus, concerning the nexus 10, I know you are a fan of the nexus 7.  I have a nexus 7 based on the idea that I did not need the extra real estate to justify almost doubling the price (here in Europe).  You touch on that in your post above, so does that mean you think the nexus 7 is the winner form factor?  I certianly do.
 
If I install "real" Linux on it, what exactly is involved in "flipping" between it and Chrome OS that came with chromebook? Any tradeoffs, concerns there?
 
+Paul Nolan I think the surface pro actually has a pretty good screen... just not THAT good. Not sure if it is a software problem.
 
+Linus Torvalds I recommend using crouton with an SDXC card in the SD reader. I figured out using GPT and ext4 it works just fine. This way you get all the nice convenience features of Chrome OS but can still run full-powered Linux on DISPLAY=:1. Then you can have up to 128GB for Linux (or 256 if you feel like spending $400).
 
The pricetag is really the catcher... if it were $300-$400 maybe I'd buy in, but for $1200 or whatever it runs I can get a monster from Dell or System76.
 
 Is a beautiful laptop that just runs a browser really worth $1300?
 
Laptops should be scraped, as an IT specialist, they are crap.
 
+Linus Torvalds "... when they stick to just churning out more crappy stuff and think that "full HD" (aka 1080p) is somehow the epitome of greatness. ..."

Finding a decent laptop with a 1080p display would actually be a nice thing ... If you could find one. Nope, instead PC manufaturers mass-produce laptops with that silly 1366 x 768 resolution. Yuck :-(
 
+Alan Olsen on a 50" screen its really usefull.. for watching Movies from a Blue Ray Disc. Even on an 32" screen (like I use to watch movies, 720p is high enough. On a laptop, in my opinion, the screen has to have a certain hight, related to its width. 4:3 is OK.. 2:3 Hey.. great! I do not have to scroll all the time.
 
Thank you! I thought I seemed to be the only one detesting that stupid wide-screen stuff.
 
+Alan Olsen there's only a couple of Atoms that use PowerVR graphics. Everything actually worth using only has Intel IGPs with glorious Intel FOSS drivers.
 
For the price, I think they could have included PageUp, PageDown, Home, End keys. How are you supposed to do any kind of work without those? 
 
A mi me estan gustando las Tablets, son mas funcionales, mas livianas, que las podemos llevar en nuestra maleta e ir a estudiar.
Hay de todo internet, musica y fotos.  almacena como una computadora grande.
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There's something wrong when the devices that generally have the highest resolutions are tablets and smartphones! It's pretty much impossible to find a 24" 2560x1600 monitor, but you can easily get it in a 10" tablet. I hope the pixel reminds laptop manufacturers that resolution isn't just important in tablets. 
 
I am seriously considering a Pixel now.
 
I'm right on your six. Google did right getting a retina like screen. The rest can't compare. 
 
I am looking forward to a real world, day to day impression of this thing, especially when used as a Linux box with a "full" distro. No one can tell what a laptop is like to live with, from a few hours or a weekend with it. 
 
I love it, except the on board storage... I need more like 320 gb, not 32.
 
I absolutely agree with the final paragraph. Screen resolution does really matter on choosing a laptop. I was an Apple hater, but bought MBP retina just because of the gorgeous screen.

However, the problem is that Windows (and probably Ubuntu as well?) doesn't well support such HiDPI. Running Windows 7/8 on MBP Retina (2880x1800 on 15inch) just gives very ugly/distorted fonts with 199% or 200% DPIs. Addressing this HiDPI on desktop OSes is a prerequisite for adapting more high resolution screens in PC markets.
 
Will be receiving one for review in the next couple of days, can't wait. (And 16:9 hater as well - for work screens.)
 
+H. Peter Anvin: "2048x1536"? Are you kidding me, that's so yesterday.

The res on this thing is 2560x1700. Yes, really. Not 1600. 1700. It really is 3:2, and you really do get more vertical pixels. 

So far, the biggest downside has been that ChromeOS really does seem to expose the high DPI thing to the browser, so some web sites (including G+ and gmail) then use bigger graphical elements than they should. Sad. People - and web applications - who think that "physical DPI" should matter are braindead.

It really causes problems. I cannot make a half-size web browser window, because G+ and gmail "know" to use big fonts because something exposes the physical DPI to them. There doesn't seem to be any setting in ChromeOS to say "tell everybody I have the standard 96x96 dpi, so that I can get more data on the screen".

Maybe it's somewhere in the settings, but I suspect it's intentional. It will get fixed when I put a real distro on it..
 
There is no such thing as a wide screen.
There are only usable screens and vertically squeezed screens.
 
I'd rather by three 17.3" HP laptops for the same amount spent and give two of them to kids who need them for their school work, but it is nice to hear a review that takes into account that chromeOS has to go.
 
Man the battery let's it down, I don't get the point in all these super HD displays, I'm an optician so I'm qualified enough to you that your eyes cannot actually perceive a resolution of this quality over that of a more standard HD screen, 
 
+Dino Buljubasic No. I was saying MBP Retina's resolution was great, which is 16:10. OS X addressed HiDPI issues. So, it works perfectly fine, although there are many programs lacking of  HiDPI supports. For example, Google's Picasa Mac doesn't support HiDPI. But, the serious problem is that Windows 7/8 doesn't well scale on such HiDPI screens. I'm not sure how Ubuntu looks like on MBP Retina.
 
the HP's are cost effective if you shop for them, that's all. I use them for the same reason. I have 10 PCs at home and three are HP laptops, the rest I built.
 
For the Nexus 10, install LinuxOnAndroid. There are a few full distros to choose from and it runs fully via terminal emulator using chroot to point to the image. You can pull up the gui via VNC pointed to 127.0.0.0. It is a wonderful system for the Nexus, and you can find keyboard cases for about $30 on Amazon.
 
and, as ashamed of it as I am - I have windows on one of the ones I built.
 
Hmmm, whats about the cool colored leds? Is there already a driver to control them? I think the great display and the "notification" leds are the best features (-;
 
I'm waiting to see how the halo effect goes with this and what other chromebook manufacturers do in response to it.
 
I wonder of Solaris 11 will run it ?
 
i wonder what Linux distro youre gonna put on it, but yes its an awesome machine, will make all the mac users drop their jaws.. google chromeOS tho , kinda the bottleneck
 
I've been wondering how many Googlers have been running this internally with Goobuntu on it... I wouldn't mind betting that was the real reason for the project in the first place...
 
I've recently got myself an Lenovo x230 laptop. It's perfect for coding. I love the keyboard, it may sound like a small feature, but it's absolutely outstanding for typing on over an extensive period of time. I see many high-end models with apple-like keyboards, which are not good for coding, imho. And Lenovo might be the only company I've encountered that actually cares about about making quality drivers. And updating them. I bought it with 16gb of memory, 256gb ssd. Most ultrabooks can't be upgraded with more than 8gb. AND, the x230 is designed to be easily put apart.
 
I'm in the same camp as you +Linus Torvalds , I don't like really wide screens. I mean unless you're watching a movie it's just not that great for everything else. Viewing a website on a widescreen? Bleh! It's annoying! I'd prefer a happy medium where I can get the most out of ALL the things I use my computer for. 
 
+Linus Torvalds I knew you'd fall for this one, I've been looking at it as well, but beside the plain how to order it and get it shipped to sweden bit... My main concern is that 32 GB SSD is not enough. I have been considering just getting a really fast SD card and try to use that for additional storage. It would be extra interesting if it was actually possible to exchange the ssd with a larger one.. still waiting for a teardown from someone ;)
 
How does the keyboard feel?  I like my wide-screen laptop because it has a nice, full sized keyboard with the number pad, but I'd rather have a better screen. 
 
Sorry, what is a `Pixel Laptop`´ ???? Regards, Monika
 
+Linus Torvalds which distro will you install? I've read in the past that you are a Fedora guy. Will you install that? Not a bad distro. I'm just curious because you're a guy that obviously knows his stuff. And if you reply, which desktop environment will you use? Thanks!
 
+Felix Oghină I think the answer is that it doesn't handle it much at all. Gnome fixes the DPI at some standard value (96 maybe), and lets you set a text scaling factor. But that only works for text, so all the widgets and window buttons and such will be tiny (imagine if every icon and such were 2/5 of its current size).

Presumably the reason Google+ and Gmail are 'large' is that they're web apps, and web sites tend to have sizes specified in points and ems, which are physical sizes, not numbers of pixels. I guess Linus has the opposite problem there. You can make text smaller via reducing the point size (assuming the sites honor your preferred size at all), but I don't know that that would affect the rest of the layout (em is supposed to be related to point size, but maybe it isn't on a web site).
 
It will be great when one day such a beautiful screen will be affordable (less than 500).  
 
Congrats coming to the chrome books.
 
Just wanted to say I agree with the ones that recommend running Crouton on it... I'm running it on my 550 and it's great!
 
Do tell us your experience regarding using it as a standarnd Linux laptop/development environment. I just droll over it every time I visit the Google play website. 
 
Does anyone know if you can dual boot Linux and ChromeOS on it?
 
+Daniel Burke: the keyboard feels pretty much like my Macbook Air, including the whole lack of page-up/down buttons. I'm ok with that on a laptop, I'm used to having to use alt-up/down for page-up/down, and I'll take that over a big laptop any day. 

The touchpad seems to work well too. 

If you're the kind of person who wants to have just one computer and uses his laptop as his main computer, you'd likely want a wireless keyboard and mouse. But that's true of any laptop.
 
+Linus Torvalds
Who's going to be the first one trying to run Steam in Ubuntu on their Chomebook Pixel? As a tech enthusiast and gamer I'm always torn between having a device with the power I crave, and having a sleek device with good battery life and doesn't weigh me down. Why can't we just have everything already!?
 
kind of +David Thiery, Crouton runs on the same system that Chromium does, just a quick press on the keys and you are running ubuntu... still boots in 8 seconds! :D
 
Widescreen Web browsing = multiple windows without multiple monitors. I barely have enough real estate on a 1080p display, sometimes I run two. I couldn't go back to a non 16:9 or 16:10 screen. 
 
I'd like to see Ubuntu running on this and see if the touch screen is still useful
 
You can do compiles and have git, etc., while also maintaining Chrome OS, including verified boot.  For those of us born in the 60s (no longer cool kids), that's awfully nice.  It means someone else maintains core parts of your machine for you.  After maintaining Linux machines all day, I like coming home to that.  So I wrote up the secret.

Maybe have a look at this Chrome OS wiki page before you install a real distro:

shell acess with verified boot | chromeoswikisite
 
To answer +Linus Torvalds's question on DPI being exposed to the page, it works similar to OSX with Retina displays where a "virtual pixel" is actually 2x2 physical pixels (but you can draw on fractional virtual pixels to use the extra resolution). I don't think there's a way to turn this off as this is the way the whole browser paints.
 
Couldn't agree with this more. The display is the #1 most important part of your computer. You interact with it more than any other component. Why would you subject anyone to suffering through a shitty display when you put so much effort into providing quality components for the rest of the machine?  Oh, right. The rest of the machine is typically crap, too. Laptops truly have become crap.
 
3:2 widescreen isn't that bad. 16:9 on a laptop is terrible. I would love to get a Pixel but its not a work laptop.
 
"I'm still running ChromeOS on this thing, which is good enough for testing out some of my normal work habits (ie reading and writing email), but I expect to install a real distro on this soon enough. For a laptop to be useful to me, I need to not just read and write email, I need to be able to do compiles, have my own git repositories etc.."
And that says it all. I've become very fond of my unlocked Android Zatablet, but I simply cannot travel without my portable workstation, aka laptop for exactly the reasons quoted above.
 
Well you can always as Torvalds said, put a complete OS on it (couldn't you even get god damned OSX working on those first very first Chromebooks that came out by unlocking the BIOS?)

I still think its too expensive for its specs (save the glorious screen)
 
+Mark Skinner: I hope you as an "optician" go out of business real soon now. When you say that you know the human eye cannot resolve anything over a HD screen, the only thing you show is that you're a f*cking moron. Really. You're arguing against reality. 

I can trivially see the difference between that 2560x1700 screen and some random 1080p "HD" screen. It's as simple as just making text smaller, although you can actually see it in just about anything.

Seriously, why do people continue to make this totally idiotic argument that is so trivially shown to be total and utter crap? And why do you then try to back it up by lying about your profession? Because if you are really an optician, I fear for your customers, and you should be sued out of the profession for being incompetent.

If you cannot afford the thing yourself, just go into an Apple store and look at he 13" rMBP and make the text really small. Just compare it to the non-retina machines. Because it's that obvious.

Although maybe your eyes are so crap that you cannot tell the difference, and you're just in denial about your own physical deficiencies. If so, just trust me, most of the rest of humanity is better endowed in that department than you are.
 
+Brett Wilson +Linus Torvalds You can override the device scale factor by passing --force-device-scale-factor=1 with the chrome startup flags in /sbin/session_manager_setup.sh. Unfortunately this requires you to turn off rootfs verification first. It would be an easy flag to expose in chrome://flags though which wouldn't require disabling verified boot. I've filed a bug for that http://crbug.com/180375. Instructions follow:

Switch to dev mode and get a terminal with Ctrl+Alt+T, then type shell and sudo su to become root.
/usr/share/vboot/bin/make_dev_ssd.sh --remove_rootfs_verification
reboot
mount -o rw,remount /
sed -i 's/$CHROME/$CHROME --force-device-scale-factor=1/g' /sbin/session_manager_setup.sh
restart ui
 
How can I stop getting updates from this post? Would be very appreciated, thanks.
 
wish I can go to your class
 
+Linus Torvalds :
I really like the idea of the Pixel as well, and I agree with you. Laptop manufacturers really need to pay more attention to the quality of hardware. The only thing I would change in the Pixel is the keyboard layout. I'd move the lame search key to the top row, remove Caps Lock completely, since it's totally useless, and make that key a Control key. The Control keys could then be used for Meta and Compose keys, for better Linux integration and better unicode typing. Another idea is to make the Caps Lock an Fn key such that Fn + hjkl are the arrows and Shift+Fn + hjkl are Home, Page Down, Page Up, End.
 
+Ian Kumlien SSD in Pixel is soldered down on the MB. Upgrade isn't generally possible. Fast SD card works well though. External USB storage is an option too.
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It is 3:2 screen but in ChromeOS closer to 16:10 display. The launchpad occupies ~1.5cm of space which makes the ratio of the application focus area ~φ:1
 
+Grant Grundler thanks, i have been looking for someone with a answer like that! Ok, good to know - will still have to wait due to the whole 'not available in sweden' issue =)
 
Good take on chromebooks in general. I also plan to do a chrubuntu 12.04 at some point or another. Its an acer c7 with a 320gb hard drive. I can make partition for chrome os to almost nothing and use the rest for ubuntu
 
+Grant Grundler: That is sad. Google probably doesn't really want people to repurpose the hardware with other software. It's their choice, but what would be much better is if the SSD had a standard form factor and could be replaced. Not everybody has the bandwidth to leave everything in the cloud.
 
i still dont fully understand chromium, as much as i understand it doesnt hold any of your computers contents on itself, but on the "cloud" i dont know why youd want that. Can you install a different OS on chromebooks?
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+Rainer Rohde  it will run Ubuntu, and any other distro's.
+Linus Torvalds  Btw could you  tell me if that google drive offer you're getting is just a ticket with  code or it is actually assigned to your Name/chromebook ?, I was wondering if I will be able to buy this bad boy and sell google drive offer for 500quid :D
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If you can do linux development on this thing I will be getting one.  I always thought of Chrome books as a tablet with keyboard.  It will be interesting to hear how well they do as a real computer.
 
+Linus Torvalds I'd kill for the screen, but are the i5 and 4GB RAM any hindrance when doing builds or the sort?
 
I think by far the biggest problem with the Pixel is the lack of USB 3.0, especially since you really want to have local storage sometimes. Some data simply gets stale too fast to merit loading it to the cloud.
 
+Jarek W Google can tell when you log in with a Chromebook, and then assigns the storage to your account.  There's no physical "ticket," it's all through software authentication.
 
+Niklas Schnelle Cloud storage is updated automaticaly, and with the amount of storage you get, I'm not really sure how anything wouldn't merit loading to the cloud.
 
I dunno, probably swap out the SSD and I could do 12.4 inches. I prefer 14, I feel like it's just the right size, but I can see where the Pixel brings the quality that we lack in other systems.
 
+Linus Torvalds can u implenent in kernel some DRM code? we want to have a choice, if we want to watch netflix etc...

there is a site: vod.pl - it wont work on any linux distro, but it works on android (with official app)..its workin with silverlight and some DRM stuff...but why cant we get DRM into LInux? cause of politics? in the past we also didnt want mp3's codecs, cause to be free, free, freeeeeeeeee...we should have a choice..how much of microsoft dependency is that, we get full workin distros ? that we could watch anything we want.. ?
 
The PC is the ultimate mousetrap.  Improve on it too much and it is no longer a mousetrap, but a smartphone.
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Wait, Linus Torvals still codes day to day???
 
It doesn't matter which distro, this means the pixel will work really well with Linux one way or another.
 
Well seen as eyes are not your specialist subject I'll forgive your ignorance but being able to make text smaller doesn't make a screen better. The human eye has a minimum angle of arc that it can define and the super HD screens are way smaller than this, don't dig at the facts. If you want to justify to yourself spending all that money then fine but don't be a dick insulting my profession which is something that you know nothing about 
 
The 1080p HD aspect ratio has generally ruined monitors. I miss my 4:3 screens.
 
I was trying to figure out how to write code on a Chromebook and I came across +Cloud9 IDE.  Works pretty well, though their hosted environment is somewhat limited.  However, you can create a workspace from an existing environment over SSH.  So, I just set up a small EC2 instance hosting my code and full environment and now I can have a nice editor on top of that right from a Chromebook.  Not the same has as having it local for sure - but it definitely works.
 
If you do end up installing a distro in that chromebook, please tell of a DE that looks good in such a high pixel density screen, as far as I know all DEs would look just too small in a screen like that.
 
+Guilherme Amadio You really are clueless. Do some homework. Why would google document the boot sequence, open source the boot loader/BIOS, open source 99+% of the SW, and advertise developer mode if Google didn't care about what people did with the machine after they bought it?

The size/type of the SSD is always a choice of cost, space, weight and performance. The SSD seems like the least important component in the system for ChromeOS.
 
+Grant Grundler I'm not clueless; all I'm saying is that being able to change the SSD would have been a really nice to have feature, since the SSD Google decided to put on the hardware is small. I'm not saying that the choice made by Google is not reasonable for what the device is intended.
 
Just ordered a Pixel myself.  Can't wait to add it to my collection of Chromebooks!
 
+Mark Skinner actually, if you'd bothered to do the maths, the 239ppi of the chromebook pixel is only just approaching the limit of an average human's ability to distinguish the pixels when viewed from a distance of ~18 inches (assuming ~1 arc minute as average). This is very noticably different to a typical 15" 1366x768 display at ~100ppi!
 
Next to a Thinkpad Carbon X1 every other piece of equipment looks terrible.
 
Interesting. Please let us know if you manage to get fedora running on it. Personally I'm no concerned about pixel density or resolution. I'm currently on a 4 year 16.4 vaio at 1600x900 and it does the job for me. But I have been looking around for something to replace it with. I was looking at the chromebook but honestly I'd go for a lower resolution if a quad core i7 is involved. Plus I kind of don't see the point in touch screen on a laptop. And I find larger screens useful-if you are blind as a bat like me for example.
 
Hmmmm at that DPI and the fact that it is a touch screen I wonder if gnome 3.6 would be an option or if it would just be best to stick with something like KDE and use the activities setup when you felt a leisure moment. From my understanding it doesnt support multitouch right? All this talk about DPI makes me miss my nexus 7, so much crisper than this over priced mini. (Purely a bad choice on my part... just couldn't live with the WiFi and screen glitches..... and there is the budget thing and wanting a small tablet lol). Oh well I guess I have my rooted galaxy s2 and dual booting macbook air to fall back on.......for now lol.
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+Mark Skinner I believe +Linus Torvalds meant to make the text really small on both a hi-res screen and a regular HD, make the letters of the same size and observe the difference in the visible details (smoothness etc). That's a perfectly valid test, and, if you sit close enough, you will notice the difference.
 
Full ack on the part about pc industry. I believe once 90% of those companies have died in a few years the few remaining will make much better stuff than what we're getting on average now.
 
+Logan Kraus for average computer users that's probably right, apart from stuff with let's say unclear copyright status maybe (which is probably >80% of all desktop storage). I'm thinking of stuff like scientific data files that are stored in between processing phases, video editing files and such.
 
Why does this sound bogus to me?  I just don't see him selling ANYTHING!
 
Linus, what do you think about Miguel leaving for Apple and bashing Linux?.
 
Is Chrome OS capable of low latency sound such as you would need for audio mastering? To put it another way, are we going to get a Garage Band equivalent in a browser any time soon?
 
Hmmmm... I wonder if there would be a market for a github-style Cloud compile service?

It could be cost effective if it added some kind of de-dupe for common libraries (i.e. if someone else compiled identical code for an identical target, it just grabs the binaries instead of recompiling...)
 
+Jarosław Guza DRM implemented in an open system can never be effective because you could just patch it away. On the other hand if it's few enough people doing it who cares. The only way to do DRM on an open system is with hardware dongles.
I think the not caring part is most important though. It's probably not too hard to steal mp3s out of e.g. Spotify or Rdio but at 9.xx $ per month why bother.
 
It fits your needs and your budget. But i guess it's too expensive for many of us, and we can't justify the expense on this adorable toy.
 
If you have trouble finding good laptops with FullHD displays, then I recommend checking out various custom laptop companies. I bought one which was optimal to my own needs a year ago (FullHD glossy screen with a solid-state drive). They're not expensive either.
 
As a non programmer and long time no Windows or OSX computer user, getting my Chromebox was a dream come true. I don't want to mess with updates ANY more. I don't want my machine full of useless, outdated software anymore. The cloud is perfect for me. My Galaxy S3 suits me most of the time but if I needed to travel with a keyboard, I would buy the Pixel in a heartbeat (if they sold it in Canada). Go Google go. 
 
I totally agree with you on the widescreen displays. Like Windows 8, they are for content consumption, not content production (unless maybe you're producing a movie). Even worse, they've all moved from 16:10 to 16:9.
 
The CB pixel is perfect if it linux distributions can be installed. But what a high price to me when the cloud storage means nothing to me.
 
+Niklas Schnelle Virtual machine images for running Windows to VPN into work (that's an easy 8+ GB right there)?

Or, applications? That thing isn't a powerhouse, but it should run most of the old games I'd like to play in wine (my nearly 10 year old desktop could). Even those (say, infinity engine games, or even worse, something like Neverwinter Nights 2) can run multiple gigabytes each, though. I used to have a 35 GB Windows partition for running games, and was constantly swapping between which two or three were installed.
 
did it work wit disconnected internet? what os you put?
 
+Joel Wright If I recall correctly, the resolution of the human eye is usually defined based on the smallest separation of two lines that you can distinguish. This means that the projected distance on the screen has to correspond to two pixels, not one, for it to be able to reproduce the equivalent pattern. Or in other words, you need to roughly double the Chromebook Pixel resolution to reach typical human visual acuity. Full HD is nowhere near it.
 
+Linus Torvalds I believe chrome os is built upon ubuntu and there is no need to install another distro (unless you prefer another one). There is a guide somewhere which allows you to get access to Ubuntu and switch between the 2 at will. Sorry if this was already covered by someone else in the comments
 
+Mark Skinner: really. Stop with the idiotic "human eye cannot see it". Go to an Apple store and check for yourself. You're just lying to yourself and others when you claim that humans can't see better than 1080p. Seriously. Anybody who has ever actually tried it will back me up, unless they have really bad eye-sight.

Even the TV people are starting to do 4k, and their primary target is moving pictures, for chrissake, which makes it much easier to not see the small details. Any time you look at high-contrast still pictures (also known in the industry as "text"), 1080p is laughably bad.

So spend the time to just test it yourself, instead of spouting crap.
 
I share your displeasure with widescreen displays, and especially the fact that the world seems to have become content with 100 DPI for the past 25 years (!?!).

As much as I like the Pixel's display, I also (like Ted Ts'o and previous commenter Benny) recently went with an X230.  The Pixel's 4 GB RAM is too limiting for me, and the SSD could be a bit bigger as well (although supposedly the LTE model has a relatively larger one).

Enjoy your Pixel!
 
If only 1080p were standard.

Windows 8 books would have been awesome if they'd launched with some Acer One sized books with full HD screens and a detachable tablet and done it under $1000.

Still, I can't imagine a more useless machine for the price than the Pixel.
 
+Linus Torvalds this is realistically one of the best reviews of the Pixel I have read.  Thanks for posting this!  :D

Also, I'm quite curious as to which Linux distro you would choose, not that I actually expect you to endorse one over the other.  On the other hand, that's probably an old & tired discussion for you by now, so ...

Anyhoo ... cheers!
 
+Linus Torvalds I use Chromebook (first generation Samsung) as a second computer and do remote desktop onto my server whenever I need to do compiles, work with my git or mercurial repositories. Making it usable and feasible to use it as a main computer. 
 
Jealous Sir! I wish I could afford one to hack on
 
Any idea on how easy it would be to swap our the SSD for a larger one?
 
For those looking to make a chromebook a home studio... It's built for on the go computing/productivity with an emphasis on speed and user friendliness. Use your home pc for the other stuff. 
 
Btw, +Mark Skinner, a lot of the arguments that a human can not see 1080p are about line pairs, which is the normal way you figure out how good resolution you need. But you need four pixels to create an image of a line pair. Not one. Not two. Four.

Add to that that people are really good at seeing broken patterns, so you want to avoid quantization errors too. Even if you can't see a single pixel, you can often easily see how the distance between two letters is "off" because the glyph has been rendered at a pixel boundary (in order to avoid the fuzzy look you get when you end up using anti-aliasing). So if you want sharp letters, you actually want extra resolution just to make it all come out right.

High-res displays really do make a difference. I stare at a display all day long. I care. You shouldn't dismiss it just because you heard some quack claim some idiotic limit that isn't even remotely true.
 
It's irritating to have almost all of the penabled hybrid tablet-laptops in widescreen format. It is not the ideal ratio for notes and sketching.  
 
Really, how many pixels do you "really" need?  I mean, for normal text stuff, the standard VGA in 1024x768 (4:3) for most websites is enough, for me at least.  And then again, the entertainment industry has convinced us that it's convenient and necessary to waste computing horsepower in playback of movies, when a regular TV or High Definition one would probably be a better use of resources.  So, will we have a choice in the future -- to keep our preferred resolution and ratios to meet our needs?
 
+Mark Skinner he didn't say making text smaller makes screens better.  He said you can tell the difference.  He may not have the clinical knowledge you have.  But he gave you practical experiment to see the difference.  Even better, you can check the math of your clinical knowlege and the numbers you quoted for the limits of human perception and you will find the human eye can still see the individual pixels at a reasonable distance.

I think the reason he dressed you down for it is because you were professing your expertise based on your title, not on real experience, or using the rigors of your profession.   
 
Oh dear, then I suppose that Microsoft owns the patent to proper hinting and subpixel rendering then?  Maybe a renaissance or return to CRT monitors might be an option then?  Would taking breaks help with the eye fatigue?
 
Honestly, chrome OS gets too much woos from savvy. Most of my friend use their Machine to go facebook,youtube,tweeter,at most read a pdf and/or write a document. And all of them can be done in chrome. I don't see the problem with this laptop other then the sigh pricetag.
 
This has got me interested in upgrading, for once. The Windows OEM's do make poor machines these days. I'd need Linux Mint to run on this beast.
 
What real OS are you considering to install? Debian or Fedora?
 
Are you going to run Crouton as a chroot or a full blown distro?
 
Not available in Canada yet. Would love to buy one. I maybe a trip to Vegas will have to do then. Haha
 
Personally I like how use metric systems units when referring to mass rather than pounds..
 
+Jeffrey Flowers Re: Touchscreen.. I received my Pixel today and have found one use for the touch screen.  Granted this may not apply to many people.. but my 2 year old likes to play many learning games like those found on the PBS Kids and Starfall.com sites.  She isn't yet able to use the touchpad to play the games.  So when we play the games, she touches the screen and I use the touchpad to click for her.

I thought it would be great if she could play those games on a tablet and just touch the screen.  But since the games are all Flash based, they don't work on the iPad.  And even on the Android Tablets with Flash installed, the touch experience doesn't work correctly (drag and drop doesn't work easily for example).  But on the Chromebook Pixel, she can play the games by touching the screen and drag and drop works fine.

So far, that's been the main use of the touch screen for us.  ;)
 
I think the reason for the high price is that lots of OEM's are coming out with higher end Chromebooks soon and Google wants to give them enough room in the market to thrive. A 300-500$ HP/Samsung/Acer with an i3/i5 CPU would be pretty sweet
 
On most laptops it would be great to have 1080p as most only hit 720p.
 
I'm just glad to see anything released that's better than 1366x768. I have no clue why that res was ever made, let alone why it became the standard for all devices 11" - 15"...
 
It seems like touch screen is unnecessary + increased the price. 
 
$1300 for a laptop without a real OS. Everything is on Google. Why would I buy this?
 
I'd be interested if you will roll your own kernel.
 
Make a chrome book your main laptop? Because of the display?? Ok.... 
 
+Linus Torvalds I have recently brought Acer Chromebook and would like to install some linux distro on it. How can I do that? Officially or may be unofficially there is only ubuntu available for it but I want to try something different.
 
the display is realllllly really nice... 

the keyboard layout and the storage options are what kill it for me though. 
 
This is great news for chromebook pixel owners. linux bugs will get priority squashing if +Linus Torvalds runs it as his main device :)
 
Sure... Until the next toy comes along.
 
Lol, Nice, the chromebook Pixel looks awesome :D
 
These toys are so much better then dolls. =^_^=
 
Linus is probably going to cause a +1 stack overflow at this rate ...
 
so it's not just me ... lots of people hate those stupid wide screens! all this time i was thinking that there must be something wrong with me ....
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Hahaha!!!! Do you know what a football is? Toy?
 
Your approval is all I need go know this will be my next computer :-)
 
I'd still love to know what Google was thinking when they went with the 3:2 format screen rather than 16:10.
 
+Linus Torvalds You'll make this your primary laptop? An i5 dual core 1.8 GHz and 4 GB DDR3 RAM is enough for you ? I find that difficult to believe.  For kernel compilation wouldn't you prefer a quad core with 8-16 GB RAM? And do you ever use the touch screen?
 
Yeah i totally agree with you Linus. 1080p screen is nothing special, but there are still OEMs selling laptops with 1366x768 screens.

Absolutely blows.
 
The kind of review I appreciate, thanks Linus.
 
yes the future is looking brighter for computing
 
I love a high resolution laptop screen.  I'm using a X1 Carbon and man it's so light, but the resolution sucks ass.  I really really enjoy a nice high resolution screen and I completely agree that it sucks that they optimize for HD as they do for external monitors, like all we would do with our laptops is watch movies.
 
+Sean Kelley at least the 4th person to suggest swapping out the SSD on this thread...not an option since the SSD is soldered down on the MB.
 
I really don't understand why laptop vendors don't compete on resolution anymore.  High resolution screens are just fantastic.
 
4:3 is the right way to go. Widescreen is a scam, they only sell those because at 16:9  the screen area can be lower than at 4:3 for the same (advertised) screen size (diagonal) (edit: fixed typo)
 
Lycka till med den nya datorn Linus! Ska bli intressant att följa utvecklingen framöver. Med Pixel så har man verkligen spänt bågen och utmanat alla PC-tillverkare därute.
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+Linus Torvalds I am 100% percent sure, and as you have already indicated, you will be throwing out the Chrome stuff and putting a real distro on it... But just to get your thoughts on this... "What's your opinion about putting 'restrictive' software a powerful PC, and selling it as an appliance?" We all definitely hate locks and artificial restrictions in hardware, but isn't this interesting in its reverse form? :-) Not that they are restricting us to remove it completely, but generally, does it make sense to you?
Whenever I think of this, I tend to get a feel like someone bought a variant of Mercedes, that they can only use for its entertainment system. They are prevented from starting and driving it. :-).
 
+Bernd Paysan It's supposed to be used in conjunction with a data connection to the cloud. I haven't had any media besides my apps on my phone for line 2 years. IF (huge if at the moment) I had all the apps for my PC in the cloud as well, this wouldn't be a problem at all, I have unlimited, fast, mobile data available at all times.
 
Have you tried secure shell extension? If you do a lot of work on remote servers, you may find that you don't really need to have a full Linux distro on Pixel.
 
I got the S3 ARM Chromebook in October. I ran ChromeOS for about a month and then dug in. I now have a fully running Arch Linux ARM distro with Xfce4 and it runs like a champ (up to 9 hours on a single battery charge with the screen cranked down.) Took some tweaking to get it all dialed in, but it makes for a great laptop. I am going to check out the Pixel for sure.
 
Here's for wishing Google will some day release their toys in Finland as well in less than ~5 years of their U.S. launch...
 
+Jaakko Nissi There's nothing stopping you from ordering them online (not from Play store though, but they're readily available on ebay).
 
At this point, I'm thinking I'll take 1080p anything over the Pixel if it has a pressure sensitive digitizer built in. I'm still looking at the Lenovo Helix as the ultimate home/work/play computer. 
 
Manufactures don't think about customer, they are not asking him what customer wants. They will give you and say - "this is what we have, take it or not". Only apple is now creating best notebook and I think they go good way, dedicated OS for HW - and it works. Google -  Bring Pixel to other countries :)
 
Couldn't agree more about the black bars! They worked well enough in cinemas for years and in actual fact, a black surround actually helps makes the picture appear better, because of better contrast or so I heard...
 
Poor displays, soldered ram up to 4gb in ultrabooks wohoo. Unreplacable battery. Or proprietary screws preventing users from repairing their devices. It is all junk out there.
 
+Esa Edvik Yes, but many other manufacturers also do this. There are very few laptops/ultrabooks that are affordable, good spec and are modifiable :(
also, to my knowledge apple doesn't use proprietary screws or solder it's RAM. (I may be out of date though)
 
So is this post serious or pure sarcasm, I can't figure it out
 
+James Fallon Apple uses proprietary pentalobe torx screws, IIRC, everywhere. RAM is soldered as is the SSD. And battery is
Compared to Asus Zenbooks (UX32VD in this case) which got a repairability score of 8, the 2012 Macbook Air got a 4 out of 10.
Plus apple only has one Ultrabook model, most other manufacturers (such as Asus) have close to half a dozen (plus model variants).
 
You can get Ubuntu on Nexus 10 relatively easily since two weeks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install

It has Ubuntu 12.10 armhf repos enabled so anything in those is fully installable. Although, since it's currently still using SurfaceFlinger instead of the Mir thing you don't have any X compatibility yet I think, which limits running actual traditional graphical applications (I'm sure there exists a Qt/QML terminal though...). But in a couple months with X compatibility added I could see it used as a full workstation with a suitable keyboard, and still retaining the new fancy touch friendly Ubuntu Touch UI as well.
 
Ubuntu Touch on Nexus 10 has a YouTube video, I'm happy with the way it is.
 
I would never pay $1000 or even close for a laptop. or whatever that thing is, technology has become so cheap that even us! the working people can afford it
 
We used to have 1400px+ high laptops ages ago. And don't get me started on my Sony Trinitron CRT that had gobs of pixels as well!
 
I don't like widescreen, either, cos I don't watch video on my pc, but people just hv different expectations on their own pc, anyway. 
 
The screen may be fantastic, but the locked firmware and poor battery life are deal breakers (I can look past the price). I would love to see this screen size/ratio in other laptops though...
 
another +1 for crouton, running great on my cheapo $250 ARM machine.
 
I couldn't agree more, +Linus Torvalds. I just got done with a months-long search for a new laptop and ended up ordering a MacBook Air a week before the pixel was released. Which irritates me, but there's always eBay, right?

Originally I wanted a PC laptop to put Linux on, something light, reliable, well built with good battery life and integrated graphics. Finding such a beast was utterly impossible, the closest was the thinkpad X line, but some bugs with the X1 carbon and the x230 being just a little too chunky turned me off.

Everything else is a shitshow right now. Literally everything.

Had the pixel been released a week earlier I would have definitely ponied up for the LTE version and been a very happy man. The Air is a compromise for now, but really illustrates how bad other PC makers have gotten.
 
Hey Linus!  I'll just jump in here, because this is blowing up on Reddit, to say: thanks for everything.  You've helped make my computing life in the last two decades an experience in magic.  I really appreciate your hard work at things that make my life better, every day.
 
For main work a 30" desktop monitor (3840x2400) would be a good solution to start with (later double that, but I don't think a high starting price would help to gain market). That would certainly eliminate the need for awful multi-monitor setups which are half-solutions anyway.
 
+Sonay Yalım maybe, but I'm not much of a multi-window guy :) I like my IDE exploded to full-screen, to have room for its many views and tools. And the "stretch" format is typically terrible for IDEs. On a dual-monitor setup I have the second monitor for the email, browser and other things (most of those don't need a whole screen so I can have a windowed arrangement). But on a single-screen laptop I'm much more comfortable alt-tabbing every five seconds between several apps all full-screen...
 
+Linus Torvalds I like wide screen, I can have some thing work size, like office on one side, and still have a console, fedora irc room, whatever on the other. Things which I can watch casually and pop full size when I give full attention. I treat tiny windows like big icons. Great for sports tv, most of the time a 2in window is fine :-)
 
I've used RDP on it, even over wifi, and it works smooth enough to extend its usability a lot! 
 
I like the wide screen as well. And while it may be nice to have higher than 1920x1080 for my laptop screen, at 15" that's still a fairly high number of pixels per inch compared to what was standard a few years ago. I care more about not having a glossy screen and having LED backlighting than I do about more pixels... The non-glossy screen makes for a lot less glare and the LED backlight makes for better colors (and better looking blacks). So I'm still OK with my 1080p screen, but I agree with you that the envelope needs to be pushed more. 
 
+Linus Torvalds you said about going full distro and I couldn't agree more. I've seen google is trending the same way, writing CrOS. Do you have any real insight to what google intends to do with their distro and do you think there will be a Pixel or another chomebook out there with CrOS installed soon?
 
"Not available in your country"... :-(

Also, small disk (though I got by with similar size on my old PC for quite a time).
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I discover Pixel laptop with this post. Looks like a small revolution in laptop world.
A pity it does not have USB3, eSATA nor Ethernet port. Battery life could be better but it may depend a lot on screen lightness. For me 32Go SSD is far enough for a Lubuntu and my job files.
Maybe I'll wait for a second version or a concurrent model. I'd love a ThinkPad with that screen (hear me Lenovo ...).
 
The issue with high resolution (and I don't think the Pixel is that high compared to what I'd like to see, at least 300 but preferably far higher than that) is that operating systems (or GUI's, whichever, I'll use the muddier "OS" in this context) in general don't know what to do with it. Resolution independence is what's needed, where the OS is aware of both screen size and resolution and can automatically scale the text accordingly so it's constant height regardless of resolution. Ie, on-screen elements get either blurrier or sharper as resolution grows, not bigger or smaller.

But for that you really need a proper PPI to begin with, otherwise the tradeoff from meticulously hand-crafted on-screen type that is made for extremely chunky 100 PPI screens vs resolution independent ones probably become onerous.

It's preposterous, really; I splurged on the best single screen I could find for a somewhat reasonable amount of money and so have a 30 inch screen with 2560x1600. Great, huh? Yeah no... 100 PPI? This is stoneage stuff we're talking about here, we had that PPI a decade ago. Bring on the real screens.
 
cant wait to see it availlable in Canada , my dearest wife is in the need of a laptop upgrade , and i cant stand see her on windows when all she really use are google apps , now granted i still enjoy (and need for things i'd couldn't do on a chorme book , ) my debian laptop , but with an I7 32Gb of ram and 250Gb SSD boot (1 Tb data disk replaced the useless DVD drive) , i'd love to put it side to side a chromebook , this laptop already boots faster then my galaxy tab and GT-I9300 (yes the quad core international version ) 
 
PC manufacturers float with the level of the demand.  Face it,  90% of the market would be quite happy with the $200 Chromebook--you said it yourself, Chrome OS is nearly all you need.  The majority of folks are happy at that point and don't demand anything better.
 
I agree totally about crappy laptops. It's ridiculous you can't seem to find a laptop with even a 1080p screen at <$1000 
 
+Bill Berninghausen People haven't really thought about it, but if you look around and ask people about their vision it's a different story. There's even a term for the assorted issues, "computer vision syndrome". Just because our limited eyes think text on a 100PPI screen looks readable doesn't mean our eyes don't strain with sorting the pixels out. People want great screens - they just don't realize they do.         
 
Does it do anything beyond run Chrome....?  That's one of my major doubts.  I have serious reservations about the idea of a browser-based OS.  It seems too much like the tail wagging the dog.
 
Linus, can you live with only 32 GB of storage or is there a way to expand it?
 
A screen on a computer is not justification enough, itself, to be the reason you adopt a computer as your primary.  Shit +Linus Torvalds that's a lesson you taught us all a decade or more ago.
 
Do you have any comments on the Nexus 10 running Ubuntu Touch and possibly acting as a full distro? I am currently using the 10 but as you say, without a keyboard and/or full distro I too do not feel those pixels are of much use.

Congrats on the Chromebook. Looking forward to hearing a successful install of Linux.
 
Amen on the display form factor thing. Widescreen displays are apalling, I HATE the trend. Barely surviving on a 1920*1200 IPS screen.
 
+Kristian Wrang I like widescreen displays mostly because patching and messing with patches tends to lean me towards having a side-by-side view in my editors. There's not a lot that I gain from having a long screen vs. a wide screen that a smaller font doesn't provide.

+Linus Torvalds I'm curious, if you had an ARM version of the Pixel, and it did the things you wanted to do as fast as you needed to do them, do you think you might migrate to that? :)
 
My old 21" CRT could run 1600x1200. Or better.
 
Hi +Curt Holman first off, so sorry you've been having such a frustrating experience-- I can assure you, your return is being looking at and that you'll hear from us soon. Thanks so much.
 
It is useful to have two windows side by side on tiny laptop screen, so for me widescreen is better. I think that 1080p on 15,6" display is good enough still it isn't standard as it should be.
Andras Ludanyi, I cannot agree with you. It's easier to manage multiple windows on multiple screens than drag all that stuff on one big display.
 
+Bernd Paysan
Is it confirmed that it's user-replaceable and a standard SSD?  That'd be cool!
 
So much fail in here it's painful.  I'd like to address a couple things in particular though:

1) If you like widescreen for putting stuff side by side, then the pixel is an even better fit for you.  You can even more stuff side by side (2560 > 1920), and still see a lot vertically ( 1700 > 1080 ).  Saying you don't like 3:2 aspect ratio because you like to put stuff side by side is completely ignoring the main benefit Linus and others are praising - super high DPI trumps all for multi-tasking.

2) High price.  Not too long ago ALL decent laptops were well over $2,000.  You have to remember that the people who live on their laptops as their primary tool are always going to be willing to spend more to get something super high quality.  This isn't something that's going to get used sparingly and replaced in a few months - it's a tool, and a heavily used one at that.  If you don't understand this, you'll never understand why more and more people are starting to use macbooks everywhere - quality ALWAYS wins in the long run.  You can only use crappy devices for so long before you realize you've wasted your money and your time.  I totally get where google is going with this and I wish them the best of luck, even if the pixel isn't for me (yet). I'm hoping more manufacturers will follow in the 3:2 direction though.. the web was made for square or even portrait-style displays!
 
I just think it's waaay to expensive for my budget. I'll wait a year or two more for Ultrabooks to lower prices.
 
As someone owns mac minis and mac pros and 3 Mint Linux machines. I cannot see why anyone one would pay over $700 dollars for that machine. By the way most webpages are 1024X768
 
+Derek Dickerson : What exactly do you mean by "most webpages are 1024X768"? No website except those created by retards have their geometry fixed in pixels. 
 
+Linus Torvalds This is bullshit.. its not a ARM so battery life is terrible, the screen resolution means nothing given the operating system that it comes with is for 1024X768 web pages. The drive is so small that you cannot store any real data on it. And why need a I5 if it just has a browser for a OS? Nothing about this machine makes any sense like square peg in a round hole! If you spend time getting Linux on this your silly unless google is paying you.

I hope they gave you that machine.
 
I decided to go with the VAIO S13p with Nvidia card over the Pixel so I could check out Steam for Linux, and test out bumblebee, along with my programming. Still a week out from ordering, perhaps another look at the Pixel is in order...
 
I am still rocking an old dell for Linux. I use my real computer for a proper operating system ... Windows.
 
sounds like a good computer but I cant get over how it doesn't play MKV or DIVX, AVI files..
 
MKV & AVI are purely container formats.
 
In six months:  a used Chromebook Pixel for $500 with your choice of Chrome OS or a Linux distro. Now that'll be sweet.
 
Linus, interested to hear your thoughts on why 3:2 is better than 16:10 - just personal preference ??
 
I would really like to get my hands on one of those chromebooks.
 
+Drazenko Djuricic My God, how I HATE 1366x768 - we have to use Lenovo laptops at work and they've gone that way on ALL of them now.

My old 2008 MacbookPro runs Debian 6.3 perfectly well for my use..:-)
 
$1300-1500 for a browser and keyboard.
 
Is this Linus parody account? How can anyone justifying paying $1300/$1500 for essentially a browser and keyboard?

Spending that much you might as well buy a MacBook Pro Retina with better specs and install multiple OS, yes including Chrome.
 
+Jason Diaz
 The retina MBP's are good (although a bit more expensive), they have much more power and you can install what ever OS you like
 
+Jason Diaz +Max Tweddell The 13in MBP retina has essentially the same spec (core i5, Intel graphics, ram, etc.), a lower resolution display (although not by much, still lower), more expensive, doesn't natively support ChromeOS. Clearly the Pixel wins.
Also, who said that you cannot install other OSes on the Pixel?
 
I have one... it's my primary laptop now! (My mac and Windows machines are gathering dust!)
 
Who will be the next manufacturer? with at 2560 x 1700, at 239 PPI
400 nit screen using Integrated Intel® HD Graphics 4000 
 
+Dino Buljubasic I don't think Win8 is the only "other" OS. I don't think Linus (or me) want to use Win8, ever, too. But anyway, since the Pixel allows custom bootloader, you can just install Grub and have it chainload Win8.
 
... way too expensive, even for the aspect ratio. For that money the mac book is way better; dual boot into linux with boot camp.
 
+Max Tweddell pixel has 32GB of storage, sorry Pixel is not intended to host other OS or made to store anything else other than Chrome. It's cloud based.

•$1499 MacBook Pro Retina 13" stocked 128GB SSD, can be configurable to 512GB or 768GB SSD. Yes more than Pixel.

•Stocked with 8GB RAM. Yes more RAM than Pixel.

•Processor i5 2.5 configurable 2.9. Pixel has i5 1.8. Again more speed than Pixel.

Macbook Pro can boot natively Ubuntu, Chrome, Windows [any flavor] and most importantly OS X or if the user so chooses all in the same time. All works with the cloud but not cloud dependent.

Rant: Now the industry seems to be following everything Apple does, there's no new innovation in that. Apple comes with Retina display and then the industry does their ME-TOO which always finds a way to gimp it somehow.

Chrome's goal was supposed to take on Windows dominance with a low cost effective cloud based OS on descent hardware cheaply priced to undercut. Pixel doesn't do that, it's pretending to be a gimped Macbook and the price should be considered an insult and if Apple did a stunt like this for selling a browser and keyboard people would be foaming at the mouth enraged. But somehow Google gets another free pass. Seriously some "Jedi mind meld" going around.




 
+Duy Truong read above ^ there are huge differences between a MacBook Pro and Pixel.
 
+Dino Buljubasic I totally agree. I have been looking around for such a laptop and still couldn't find any. I've been using 1440x900 screen Thinkpads since 6 years ago, and the industry is still stuck at 1366x768. The closest was the 13in Zenbook with 1920x1080 screen (priced at $600 a couple days ago, although it has other flaws). I hate it, but +Jason Diaz was right; it's almost an insult that Apple seems to be the only other company to offer a high-res portable laptop. Doesn't matter whether the Pixel sells or not, I hope it sets the trend so that future laptops have better screen resolution. I don't think an evolution step from lower to higher screen counts as an "innovation"; it's just natural (we were happy with 640x480 before). The "ME-TOO" comment is pretty much Apple-fanboy-ism.
 
yes all of them, really crap. Unless you can spend 1k+. I resigned to a $250.- samsung chromebook and it just does everything (nearly) I really need. Will give it a try and install ubuntu on it and sofar looks really promising!
 
+Linus Torvalds please open it and tell me the SSD is interchangeable - then I'm instantly sold on the Pixel. Because I so totally do not live in the cloud.
I disagree that $ 1.400 is too much for that - quality has always been worth a premium, and not long ago, before Lenovo totally lost the plot on the Thinkpad series, we were ready to pay € 2.000-3.000 for those. Pay less usually equals with buy more often.
 
make a petition to make ChromeOS a full Linux OS (not in the consumer mode): i want tool such Gimp/Python Console/Blender/Libreoffice
 
Totally agree that I don't get the widescreen hype - afterall, how much time are you meant to spend watching videos on your laptop?  Everything else suits a squarer format (including photography - portrait orientation doesn't like widescreen).  I happily use my non-widescreen T60p, and now feel better that there is a modern laptop I can move to.
 
widescreens;not my style,they kinda suck.its good for watching movies n stuff
 
+Linus Torvalds Hats off to Intel for their GPU support under Linux. Every time KWin crashes on my workstation because of the stupid NVIDIA binary blob drivers (unfortunately the corporate-supported distro doesn't support Nouveau), I wish I just had the Intel GPU.

On my X230, we're even at a point where World of Warcraft runs nearly as well with the mainline Intel drivers and Wine as it does on Windows.
 
1080p (or rather, widescreen) is great for photo, video and visual design, but 4:3 or thinner than that are great for different kinds of work entirely, like writing, and the kind that Linus does. I think it would be great if both ratios were to actually be prominent out there, and not just 16:9. Or ultimately, that manufacturers find the best in-between ratio and make the screen easy to rotate to have the best of both (if at all possible).
 
+Linus Torvalds if you havent already, about:flags and enable the high DPI options.
also do give the chromeOS beta a try (settings, help, release)
 
+Linus Torvalds, you can run SSH in a browser tab using this Google-developed terminal emulator and SSH client browser extension: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhechapfaindjhompbnflcldabbghjo  This may mean you can keep using the Pixel for your development work without installing another Linux distribution, as long as you have a network connection to a development machine. There is a lot of smart custom logic in the Pixel's hardware drivers (e.g. for the touchpad).
 
Have you thought about installing Ubuntu touch on your Nexus 10? Android is great but cannot replace a real PC yet. Having Ubuntu and wireless keyboard and mouse make it more usable
 
It must be hard to lug around that laptop....having all that information...in a few LBS....wow....what a trooper... 



Have you heard about these pyramids ? 
 
(I use 16:10 1920 x 1200, debian distro, and also am a delighted Nexus 10 user.) But all these howls about wide screen - why on earth don't you set up two or three windows on your desktop, each with its own sensible non-wide aspect ratio? Why do you max out your windows so stupidly wide, and then cry about how wide they are? Resize them!
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Hey Linus, calling the ChromeBook Pixel a laptop like the ol' laptops is actually comparative.. It's more of a hybrid.. but I agree, crap normal laptops they are.. imho There should be this latest chromebook pix laptop minus the touchscreen hardware and to me that'll get the costs down and reach alot of folks who don't use the touchscreen anyways.. 

lol sorry, I called you Linux instead of Linus.. had to edit that first paragraph
 
I have read through these comments and quite honestly do not understand the tech stuff. I just want to know in simple terms how this works with the idiot stuff I use like AOL, Facebook, Paintshop Pro etc. Would I love the Chromebook more for that than the "crap" laptop?
 
On that "Full HD" comment; I think I'd prefer a 11"-12" with a really good 1920x1080 display over the Pixel. I know for sure I'd rather have a 13" 1920x1200 display.
 
Bring back the WXGA+ screens and such. What a bunch of crap these HD ones are! That is why I have stuck with my Toshiba L305 for so long. I am very disappointed with the laptop manufacturers nowadays. 
 
The bolded words spell out "beautiful that use crap." 
 
+Paul Nolan The Windows Surface Pro doesn't handle the density correctly either.
 
And the wait continues for 200+ ppi displays to be standardised across notebooks.
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Hi there,
Im still wating for revival of 16:10 AR on business class notebooks like Dell Latitude or Lenovo Thinkpad. Years ago i've asked Dell-people on CeBIT Hannover why they go to 16:9 AR like in business class devices and hold on tight: "...customers want it...".
[OT]Sorry Dell: As soon as you don't wake up and sell better hardware i'll keep my Latitude D830 with 1680:1050 display forever. Go die with "FullHD 1080" on business class devices![/OT]
Aaaand a big +1 to Linus as well.
 
2X x 2X  1920x1200 FTW!  ((the last laptop I paid more that $1000 for was 1920x1200... back when Dell had high-resolution WUXGA as a matter of course... a Pentium M))
 
+Andreas Winkelbauer I don't know if the SSD is replaceable but hdpart -t says it reads at 400Mbytes/sec, almost 4X what I'm used to seeing from SATA drives.
 
Does the Pixel have a workspace switcher?
 
I just got this laptop on Friday (64GB/LTE), and I agree with you 110%.  My girl does alot of Adobe PS work and this is the first display no color correction was required at all, wrap that with a touch screen ... amazing .... The other amazing thing is the sound ... Went outside to watch her ride horses and powered up Pandora .... the sound carried ... 

I used Thinkpad's forever, joined a company that I had my choice between a Dell (yuck) or a Mac and was enjoying it ...  I picked up the Samsung version to see if I could actually live with ChromeOS, and when I saw that I had ssh ...  Now if I ever have time from the performance work I have to do ... playtime with Crubuntu ...
 
Yep +Alan Tegel sound is a problem on many laptops; the eeePC 1005HA (netbook)'s sound is so bad you usually have to dial it up to 110%. No kidding.
 
I'd love to have a Pixel, but I'm making do with my Acer C7 Chromebook with Linux (ChrUbuntu) installed...as someone mentioned earlier in the comments, the best of both worlds. :-)
 
Does anybody else have problems with wifi stalls?  My Chromebook Pixel running F19 w/ 3.9.4 seems to stall for 10 seconds at a time occasionally. I notice it especially because it causes synergyc to die and reconnect.
 
WiFi stalls aren't exclusive to the Chromebooks.  Lately I've had the same problem on any laptop running any Linux distro.  I don't know if it's a driver issue, the network stack, or something's chewing up the connection.  It's pushed me back to Win 7 where these sorts of things don't happen.  
Really, between the black screen of death at boot, inadequate or unusable tochpad options, and increasing WiFi issue, Linux distros are getting to be a real pain in the ass.  I think we hit a plateau about two years ago and it's been downhill ever since.
 
The 16:9 format was primarily to play multimedia content, which doesn't require high resolution, per se. I don't really care about the aspect ratio so long as the screen is worth looking at and Pixel is definitely that.  I bought mine new (unused on Craigslist) with the LTE option for $700 yesterday, and I can't wait to put Fedora on it.
 
I can't keep my pixel online with 13.10. It is constantly loosing the wifi connection after a few hours of use. It's two nights in a row now. I'm trying to test with the 3.12 kernel, but i can't even stay online long enough to download it yet.
 
I have the same problem with any of the major distros on my Core i3 laptop.  The build quality has really gone downhill in the past few years...and I'm a big linux supporter and user!
 
+Andrew Carpenter Yes you can. It is just the press of one button (or more precisely, three buttons together).
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