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I'm trying out KDE after a long absense.

It still looks a bit too cartoony, and the default widget/plasmoid behavior with mouse-over pretty much immediately showing the controls for it annoys the hell of me. You can lock the widgets down and they calm down and act normal, but it's some really odd and distracting default behavior. 

But ah, the ability to configure things. And I have wobbly windows again.

I do understand why some gnome people think that KDE may have gone a bit overboard on the configuration ability, though. Because some of the "you can configure everything" things are just odd.

Like being able to rotate those desktop widgets any which way you want. "I wonder what that odd rotation thing on the widget control bar does? Whee - trippy".

As a result, right now my terminal and web browser buttons look like a drunken fratboy has been messing with my desktop. I suspect I'll turn them back to their boring upright position (because that's how I roll - boring), but for now I'm mildly amused by the sheer whimsicality of it all.
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All drunken frat-boys aspire to whimsy.
 
I imagine those configuration options were the result of a bored coder with too much free time during the idle hours of the morning.
 
>dislikes "cartoony" look of KDE
>wobbly windows

That's not to say that I don't adore wobbly windows.
 
Agree pretty much, +Linus Torvalds - But still prefer either KDE or Gnome over Windows and MacOS.   :-)
 
After attempting Unity and hating it, I've started using Cinnamon and really becoming quite fond of it.  ((Cinnamon does make me crave snickerdoodle cookies and chai lattes, I must warn you))
 
I like Kubuntu but recently I discovered Bodhi Linux (which is the Enlightenment desktop on Ubuntu) and I like that even better.
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I agree about the cartoony observation. Otherwise its not too shabby IMO.
Holding onto gnome for as long as i can!
 
Wow. I am still a fan of gnome, KDE is just too weird for me... heheh
 
I went to XFCE for a while because it was the default on Vector Linux.  It wasn't bad.  But it wasn't the same.  When KDE 4.8.3 was available in the SOHO edition, I jumped at the chance. 
 
I never cared for KDE or Gnome.  My initial issues with KDE in Ye Olden Days were more performance/stability, while I just never liked Gnome's look.
 
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I must be in the minority for loving where gnome is going 
 
Interesting. After your frustrated "just use KDE" proclamation over Gnome removing options I assumed you were all KDE4life.

I always keep the widgets locked so the controls don't bother me. If I see them I say whoops, I forgot to lock them again.
 
I use KDE sometimes, and XFCE the rest of the time. KDE is really pretty decent. I prefer XFCE because it is less intense, and also easy to configure.
 
Yep, cartoony was always my first reaction too.
 
Yesterday I started to try "Netrunner", an ubuntu-KDE-based distro, with W7 look... It fooled some people. :P
Still, since it comes with some of the "bloaty" and "confusing" kde-things off, I didn't have to del or loose time with them. 
Nonetheless, no composite window manager works fine for me with dual monitor. :(
 
Huh.  I only think of KDE as cartoony when I install the Buuf icons (which, I love...).  Gnome has always felt cartoony to me.

The configurable options in KDE are awesome, but clearly I don't play with them nearly as much as I should!  Sometimes, my day could use a little twist of fratboy and whimsy.
 
I can see why KDE would scare some people at first with all the customization, and it doesnt help when the KDE devs keep moving configuration items around the control panel lol, which can be confusing. But besides that, its one of my favourite DEs by far
 
It's a purposeful feature to give you that Saturday-Morning-Nostalgia :D
 
I always run a fairly tame KDE, that is after hours of messing and tweaking, but (no offence to those who love it) when I rarely switch to GNOME I feel like someone just yanked the belts on my straight jacket!
 
I haven't tried KDE, but i have wobbly windows in Unity on 12.04.
 
I used to hate KDE, but now i'm in love with it :D

it's more than just a GUI,.. :)
 
I have tried KDE in OpenSUSE and although it carries a much larger footprint than my current desktop environment, I like it. It is a great way for me to introduce certain types of windows users to Linux.
 
Just switched to KDE after months of failing to get Gnome/Unity to work for me.  After a couple of days I find I'm very happy.
 
The K factor stop me using KDE, all the programmes starting with K was hurting my brain.
 
Fortunately, once you lock the widgets, all the control flyouts stop. I'm using Plasma Netbook on my laptop and it's a nice change....
 
+Linus Torvalds, have you looked into a tiling WM, like awesome or xmonad?  They're not "pretty"... in fact their whole purpose is to get out of the way and show the contents of your windows, but once you've lived in them for a while you find they're just incredibly productive.

Well, at least I do.  And not just because I don't spend time twiddling customization knobs.
 
Configurability and stability is what drove us to work with KDE after moving from Gnome2 to Gnome3 to Mate to Cinnamon in the hopes of finding usability.
 
Oh come on... there's the G factor with Gnome.  :-)  They all do it.
 
I use KDE on Fedora 17.  I've found that the Oxygen KDE Firefox Theme http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=117962 does a nice job bringing KDE to the browser.  
As a previous KDE3 user, I find that KDE4 is just as solid as 3, but with a whole lot of extras.  It took it a while to get there (I went to Gnome 2 while it matured.), but, it's very stable now.  Enjoy.
 
+Linus Torvalds Switch it from "Desktop View" to "Folder View".  Close the resulting desktop folder widget.  I also turn off single click in favor of double click.  I do much more, but changing to "Folder View" is a solid first step.

Desktop view is designed around the "widget" metaphore.  "FOLDER view" is a much more traditional desktop with normal behavior.  You can still use widgets.  Desktop view is about widgets. Folder view is about traditional behavior.

KDE is a paragon of simplicity once you get it configured.  Even XFCE seems overly complex compared to KDE once you get KDE configured.  Simplicity is KDE's middle name.
 
I agree, KDE like the kid that just discovered that he can change fonts on his book report, so he uses ALL the fonts. (I'm guilty of having done this.)

I'm still a bit of a WM refugee, but Xfce is the sanest WM I've used yet. I use a tiling WM at work (awesomewm) because I don't think it's a good idea to get too comfortable in somebody else's environment.
 
I'm still very very new to Linux distros. I've been an OSX user for over 12 years, but I've been playing with JoliOS and Ubuntu on an old Netbook and think Ubuntu is pretty great. Easy to go there from OSX.

I was wondering about those spinning icons in KDE. Is that possibly for folks who like to work with their Monitors turned Portrait style. 
 
I'm in similar fiddling mode as I just had to find out why two seemingly similar terminals had different fonts... turned out the letter spacing on the prettier one was decreased, even though there seems no reason for that beyond xft wackiness. Oh well.
 
I try the other de's, and always end up back on xfce. It is my boring, safe zone. Does everything I need, and feels comfortable.
 
I can think of one reason to rotate some widgets, but its a tablet thing (how many people do you know who actually write on a pad with it straight), but yeah sometimes the KDE could also be called EOCDE Extreme Over Configurable Desktop Environment... But its still my favourite.
 
I've never given KDE a fair shake, every time I try it I end up unable to accomplish anything and find myself swapping back to Enlightenment DR17 or XFCE
 
I like how KDE is so much more configurable, but last I tried it was too confusing and I gave up on it. I'm still rocking Gnome 2 on Ubuntu 11.04 because nothing else I've tried (of around 8 desktop environments) has such a high level of both flexibility and ease of use.
 
KDE has been my DE of choice for quite a while.  On my netbook I have been enjoying Awesome with Conky lately, though.
 
I love unity. You don't feel its existence when you don't need it.
 
Yea, wubly windows! I miss that feature...
 
I think this is one of the great weaknesses of every GNU/Linux distro I've seen: desktop interface designers don't have a good sense as to what should be configurable -- what gives freedom -- and what shouldn't -- what unnecessariliy adds complexity that confuses and frightens casual users -- nor do they have a clear idea of what sane defaults look like.

I was hopeful for Canonical, but every release of Ubuntu is wilder than the last.  We need UI experts and artists to develop a clean, consistent desktop if we want to draw casual users.
 
MATE is hopefully approaching usability for all the Gnome 2 lovers, though interestingly I've heard even those who loved G2 say MATE sucks..:3
 
Opposite ends of the scale - Gnome on one hand, KDE on the other. I'm still very much sold on XFCE's simplicity. 
 
I love KDE, just for wobbly windows
 
E16 and 17 have always had a soft spot in my heart. KDE never, I never got. It always felt too heavy.. Gnome I never liked till gnome-shell. 
 
+Linus Torvalds I try KDE about once every year and always decide I hate it and go back to Gnome. Its kind of like the restaurant Chillis. Everytime I eat there, I get horrible heartburn and vow to never eat there again. Once a year I forget that vow and eat there....KDE = Chillis
 
KDE user from the start, aside from a couple years where it really sucked. Gnome feels ancient (feels like win98), unity feels clunky and over simplified. KDE though, once you get a little config out of the way, gets out of the way and lets me get work done. Providing an appropriate level of polish and eye candy when appropriate. 
 
E17 is beautiful, simplistic, and effective.  Problem is in nearly every distrobution, it lacks full integration (such as menu entries, native package management front end, and a good supply of well-integrated applications)
 
At least they dont insert a 200x1024px Konqi.svg on the sidepanel like on 3.x  :P
(im joking!)
 
The biggest downside of KDE, imo, is that QT has horrible, horrible themes. They all are either obnoxiously obvious gradients, or they appear wrapped in plastic wrap. 
 
Nice to see you back to KDE, yes it did go through a rough patch but its pretty smooth now, you can even set mouse actions to have menu on Leftclick on the desktop :)
 
It's still too windowsy for me
 
Android will probably take over as the universal interface.

That is, unless Linus drops kernel development to start a desktop project or something.
 
Woah, I always thought that was a refresh button.

bneko + rotation = haters gonna hate
 
I left GNOME for KDE a while back. After that, I switched to Linux Mint because they had a fully integrated Cinnamon desktop with many settings available that had been left out of GNOME. I am now using Arch Linux and I am currently using the i3 window manager. My current set up is much more involved, but I expect I will get everything to work the way I want it to when I'm done, and then my computer will no longer get in the way of me using it.
 
Finally, there are some sane things being said about KDE! Thank you!
 
Imagine if Linus replaced Balmer. I mean, I know he wouldn't do it, but how cool would that be?
 
I hated KDE the first 10 times I installed it but now that 12.04 is spot on with everything, I can't get away from it. Unity spies on you, Gnome 3 is a friggen nightmare, and lxde/xfce belong in the early 90's. If you can get yourself to stick with it for a month, you'll never want to use anything else ever again.
 
+christian weiss It would be great - the linux community has lots of developers developers developers developers...

+Eysenck Gómez Unity ran like crap on my machine, after trying to replace it with gnome shell using the ubuntu software center the whole machine went to hell and would only show the ubuntu wallpaper on startup - not even a login screen. I'm currently running fedora 17 with gnome shell and it runs very nicely. In other news I dont think I will be going back to ubuntu. Ever.
 
That's the way to do it.  Me I felt a little testy so I plunked down the 40  for that other OS as a test.  Keep in mind it was done as a test and all things considered KDE still rocks.
 
Personally, my favorite is Ubuntu with Unity and I don't care who knows it.
 
let me know if you find a way to replace the classic alt+F2 with the plain "windows" key
 
I'm a KDE fan myself. It works and looks fine for me. Allowed me to drop Windows anyway.
 
I think both KDE and GNOME should have light and night modes built-in. An example: Android. I know there are extensions, themes… But if this could be an option, then it would be great.
 
I tried out KDE earlier this year... and loved the options, but the total lack of polish was horrible. So many good ideas, with configuration scattered around in multiple places with seemingly no consistency, or warnings of what options had dependencies or affects on other options.

In the end, I decided it wasn't worth fighting with to get it working how I'd like, and I went with MATE for gnome2 style goodness :)
 
I'm with those who've tried KDE and it was always like a date where you just don't hit it off and I always ended up back with Gnome - someone I've always gotten along with.
 
last time i tried kde it opened every image on a webpage in a separate program resulting in 100 windows on my desktop,
i never get past 10 minutes in kde.
 
you should have included a screenshot.
 
It is cartoony but I still find Kubuntu an easier switch for long-term windows users, so it is what I usually start converts on...
 
Yeah they went a little overboard, but I'd rather have too much freedom than too little. Nobody said you have to turn your weather widget on its ear.
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What is it that makes wobbly windows such a defining thing?
 
I am a fan of the kde specific apps, like amarok and konquerer.  Being a windows user, KDE is more intuitive and familiar.  
 
I like the fact we are starting to see more UX for better usability. Linux will benefit hugely as did android from apple. 
 
I just can't seem to learn to like KDE. On one hand it looks great and has tons of customization. On the other hand it feels bloated and sluggish. I've been using Gnome, but I miss the old Gnome 2.x. 
 
This is what maked linux so great. You can just change desktops whenever you please.
 
This is why I stick with Gnome 2... the eye-candy I use (ADD support, Compiz cube, etc.) is all functional, and it still handles workspaces rationally (unlike Gnome 3).

Yes, it looks somewhat like Windows, but the parts that look like Windows do so because they work ell and are intuitive (main menu, taskbar, etc.).

It irks me that it is deprecated, but I will use it until it stop working or until something better happens along... and I don't see either happening anytime soon.
 
I use and love ALL the open source desktop environments out there and I wish I could give a $$ contribution to all of them to keep their good work. My question for you all is CAN WE JUST CO-EXIST?
Thanks.
 
Fancy widgets? Desktop? xmonad is all I need :)
 
I thought that you were using Xfce?
 
Xfce and you don't have to reboot every 9 days due to memory leaks.
 
Man, I really think you're being too hard with Gnome. You can use Gnome without using the Shell. Gnome 3 has fallback mode very similar to Gnome 2 or XFCE, why you hate it too? Gnome 2 has the MATE fork too, maybe if you use it, you will contribute to popularize it. Don't forget that both Gnome 3 and MATE was created almost from scratch, so why you don't forgive them? If you always been a Gnome user, remains. Familiarize yourself and just go ahead. Please, think about it fondly ;) Thanks
 
Wow look at Linus actually using a modern desktop environment and only mildly complaining about it. 
 
I popped in a Knoppix live disc earlier today to test if the computer I was working on was allowed on the network, it had KDE as the default window manager.  

Every time I'd close a window, the window would explode into a bunch of little white blocks that would flip a couple times and disappear...  Honestly, that's a little much. 

I honestly don't need that much, I'd prefer something simple over something needlessly complex that just looks pretty.
 
meh, I would use gnome. Hope it works good for ya.
 
I loved KDE 3.5, they moved on to 4 and I went to Fluxbox on one and LXDE on the other.

May consider WIN8 if I get a touch only computer, just some programs that aren't there on my primary (Android) OS.
 
This is the true genius of Linux:  that the man who created it can choose one desktop environment, yet I can choose ANOTHER ONE.
 
Gnome classic on ubuntu with compiz works great, don't know why noone mentions it, I can't live without a few compiz plugins for workspace management.
 
I tried them all... xfce is the only one that isn't broken or bloated 
 
That is the exact reason I use KDE.  It can be anything you want it to be.
 
Seriously, if you control and flexibility try Fluxbox.
 
woohoo! configurability galore is why I LOVE KDE! open dolphin, hit F3 and split the file manager. then hit F4 and you've got the terminal right in your current directory. Lots of files in a directory? Hit control-I and start typing to filter easily and rapidly. All the lovely little things that rock...
 
I prefer simplicity (and simple, reliable functionality with at least some configurability) and in my (admittedly limited) experience, I have found Xfce and LXDE to be the best.
 
Why do you like wobbly windows so much? o_o
Back when I was using Gnome 2 + Compiz, I eventually turned off the effect because I found it distracting and not adding much to the UX. 
 
I actually dislike that you can't set the sizes of the KDE panel to an exact pixel size.  Overall, I prefer Lubuntu.
 
As a gnome refugee, KDE has been my home for a while now. But I agree the over-configure-ability of things can be interesting. but its way better than the alternative. KDE FTW.
 
Desktop environments? I thought GUI's were for phones and tablets...
 
I really appreciated the ability to configure various things the way I wanted in KDE, but just as I had everything mostly about right... it crapped itself and couldn't recover (easily) and I had to start over. This, in my personal opinion, is far worse than having traded that configurability for a smaller testing surface and ultimately a much more stable environment.

I miss things like decent notification behavior in GNOME3, but I appreciate a stable environment in which I can get things done more than I miss those things.
 
dual panels in cinnamon. i loved gnome before and have to say that lookwise is pretty close how i set it up. i'll most likely be sticking with cinnamon for a long time, very stable.
 
Todas esta palabras de Linus, resumen algo que no es descubrir el agua tibia.....KDE sucks!!!! There...I said it! 
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Have not liked KDE since the 4 series. Brighter note: Working on Gnome 2.32 for slackware 14.0 i686. Good luck with that though. :|
 
fvwm is where it's at :P

Kick it old school. 
 
I am a huge fan of unity, absolutely love scopes and lenses, and enjoy using the HUD. Really looking forward to all the possibilities those pieces of tech will bring, the future of information retrieval and manipulation. I have just one wish. If #canonical can spend just ONE release not bringing any new features in and spend ALL their time fixing bugs and performance, ala project butter, then I will be happy penguin. The fact that my none of my #nexus!! devices will mount and copy data through MTP is just unacceptable. I don't care that MTP is not a Canonical managed package, fix the bugs! They are the flagship "OSS" mobile devices, they should work 100%. Never mind all android devices. +Mark Shuttleworth please think about it. I love love love Ubuntu, been using it since the first release, it's my only OS. It's beautiful, elegant powerful and pure awesome but your bugs are running loose!
 
+1 for awesomewm.  One of my favorite things: it uses the windows key for all of its hotkeys.  Once you get used to it, you really appreciate that your WM doesn't steal potential hotkeys from your applications.
 
I like XFCE, how about LXDE? Is it pretty customizable?
 
I was against KDE too. KDE 4.8 and 4.9 are pretty cool. I like it a lot. You can make it like gnome 2.
 
"It still looks a bit cartoony". I felt exactly the same way when I switched to KDE. After about a week of getting used to the whole "everything is widget" approach and initial customization, I was quite happy. At this point, all GTK based WM/DE just look so 80's to me. Also, with every new release KDE is getting more stable and functional. 
 
Have you tried #openbox ?
For those who tried Gnome and KDE harder, which one would you prefer ?
 
How many times can you say "widget" in one article?
 
I just installed KDE for the first time last night on my Arch Desktop. I'm still in the exploratory click on shit and see what it does phase
 
I don't like the newer version of KDE, so I'm switching to Xfce, mainly because of the effects. I prefer a functional desktop rather than wobbling windows or flaming cursor or cubic desktop rotation.
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Complete fragmentation. Lets all build our own desktops using lego.
 
I found the control for icons a lot less annoying when I started thinking of them as the configuration mode and locking them as the user mode.
 
Activate the option: different widgets on different workspaces and you have the most functional GUI ever happened! 
Yes KDE is awesome and so much more stable and fast than it used to be...
 
Wow 186 quick messages telling you what to do.  KDE is ok. not as bloated as gnome.  plays nice with compiz.. kmail is almost allways broken so i never bother.  i usually load up about 10 different WM when i get board i switch
 
I always find myself in the same dilemma with each new release. KDE is maybe not th prettiest, but it always ends up the one that does what i need. I try the others with each *buntu release and en up going back to kde, almost like it is the least annoying of the lot. The last time, i spent a full 30 minutes with Unity before losing my cool. Gnome3 lasted 5 minutes...
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I will agree about the configuration thing. Furthermore, why does kde feel the need to place configuration options in so many places? menus within menus within menus of options and must of the time, the same options can be found five or six different places.
Well, I went back to kde in the end. Its the only desktop that's reasonably consistent that's not forcing the tablet look on me
 
Gnome-fallback with Compiz, its a bit rough compared to the fluid Windows 7 but I like it a lot.
 
Still don't like it bit It's way better than before 
 
And here's me rollin' even more 'boring': I switched from gnome (wich I like a lot!) to elementaryos.org - the luna-prerelease. And I love that even more. And I configured even less. :D Just a few miiiiinor tweaks that I needed to dconf-tool and I was done (Alt+Drag). \o/
But if looking at it from some distance: Picking the desktop that pleases you is the most significant step of "customizing your linux computer" isn't it?
 
No x, just tmux for me. My windows are only wobbly if I have my laptop on my stomach. 
 
KDE 4 is ok, but Fluxbox is better :)
 
That's my biggest issue with KDE: When I use it, I spend more time tinkering with my computer rather than doing work on it.  

The second biggest is all the K-apps.  Some K-apps are better, but some of the ones I really prefer are GTK/Gnome based, and the memory footprint of running both KDE/QT and GTK+/Gnome apps simultaneously is off the hook. 

Not to mention, uniformity.  I do a lot of configuration in KDE, as it allows for such, and I know of no good way to export those configurations to another computer -- meaning I do it at least twice, and none of my computers look or work uniformly at any given time...

...I think if there is such a thing as too much choice, it's spelled KDE, and eventually I just get tired and go back to something that just looks how it looks and does what it does, without requiring nearly as much system load.
 
I tried a lot of GUIs and my favorite is a chromium hands down. I like tile concept in w8, but..windows will be windows. On Linux, gnome 3 is best I tried. It is easy to understand, running fast and uncluttered.
KDE is overkill. Sorry, but normal people don't care for all these settings and get lost in few seconds. It is only environment my wife is unable to use.
 
KDE is too bloated if you ask me. Too bad the e17 enlightenment desktop environment kinda died...
 
I use a bit of MATE configured the same way I had my gnome2 configured a few years back. I know it's relatively old hat, but I feel at home. 
 
People put a lot of time and effort into Gnome 2 to make it competitive with the commercial desktops.  And then Compiz came along and added some crazy (and useful) fun to it.  All while using fewer resources than Gnome 3.  MATE + Compiz is just a good desktop experience, still the best available for Linux, I think.  
 
It is very interesting how people just see things differently; to me KDE has always been pure ugly to the bone, whereas people I respect think the same about Gnome.  
 
Faber X: MATE is basically Gnome classic but with all the features of Gnome 2 available again. You should check it out if you haven't already.
 
I use all of them, except Unity since I don't use Ubuntu, but I have Fedora 16 with Cinammon, Arch with KDE, both are just great/excellent for my needs and likes.
 
+GonzO Rodrigue Settings are there to make DE more flexible and to provide you with ability to fine tune it to your preference. Once initial setup is done there's no need for you to "tinker",  you just focus on doing the work. 

I agree, I sometimes am in need for GTK apps, however, I've never noticed any noticeable increase in memory consumption when running GTK apps (and I'm not sure why would there be any). The only  down side I can think of is that you need to pull and install additional packages required by GTK applications. 

As far as exporting the settings, it is as simple as copying ~/.kde4 directory from one desktop to another. Done. 

And by the way, my KDE memory footprint is less than a Gnome. 
 
+Gimbus Freckles
Thanks for clearing that up with what that Willian Beaman dude. It saved me from a potential retarded net fight because I would've replied to him "What the fuck did you just say?" . I'll just flagg it and consider it a form of spam.
 
i woke up thismorning on the other side of the wal
 
I went through a honeymoon phase with KDE when GNOME went to crap and Unity was introduced. After a year I had enough of KDE and all the bells and whistles and realized I only liked it because its customizable. Old Gnome was more usable. I just switched to Cinammon and haven't looked back in about a year 
 
Welcome Back! KDE acts nicely
- me@Gentoo&& KDE 4.9.2
 
Just type Alt+D, L and the controls on mouse-over will go away (this command locks the widgets). Alternatively a right-click on the desktop shows the menu that can turn on/off the configure mode for widgets, too.
 
I'm all about cinnamon + avant.  Just the right trade offs.  Still haven't found a better dock on any OS.  :)
 
KDE is great when after playing with it. Then you quit the play thing, remove all stupidity and you will then be able to work within a fast and reliable DE. I hope mr. Torvalds that you will contribute to the development of KDE. This might be a pivoting point for many, cause your meaning do effect quite many amongst us. Please tell if you settle in KDE.
Have you tried "terminator"? You can tile multiple terminals within one window. I find it great.
 
+Linus Torvalds Gnome 3.6 is pretty good now, most of the annoyances are gone now, like non removable notifications. And it's fast, to bad many extensions are broken at the moment. KDE just seems i don't know, your description cartoonish is apt. 
 
I like KDE. Been using it until I changed to Ubuntu. I do find both Gnome and KDE cartoony.

 
Well, I was allways thinking, that you like KDE:) so.. what graphic interface do u use?:)
 
WE SALUTE THOSE WHO ALREADY DOING THIS.
 
I just wish they'd turn there attention from toys to more fundamental improvements, like optional automatic tiling for those who want it (Xmonad style).
 
"configure everything" means, you can turn off everything, that annoys you.
 
I know too little about what each offers to make a decision on more than just that Gnome distros favor Mac-like desktops and KDE distros favor Windows-like setups. I'd rather have a task bar and start menu than a global toolbar.
 
Dont Vote for Obama or Anyone else
They are all Retards
 
Sometimes I wake up with a stiff neck, and for a couple of days my head is stuck tilted at an angle. KDE saved me from having to tilt my monitor to match the angle of my head.

True story. :P
 
+Leighton Law  according to wikipedia, linus has too much personal pride to be associated with any political party
 
I love KDE. GNOME's okay, XFCE is good, but I always end up coming back to KDE.
 
Actually I don't understand how is it look cartoony ? I mean, I use Gnome3 and Unity, and KDE still look prettier.
 
+Willian Beaman, contrary to popular belief, writing everything in upper case doesn't make people pay more attention. It makes you look like an ass, and you're sounding more and more like the Time Cube guy with every post.
 
Sacked Gnome and KDE a while ago in favour of Openbox. Worth the upfront time configuring to get a light, fast, simple desktop to maximise productivity :-)
 
There's also the trinity fork. Never tried it personally.
 
In the good old days of DOS, before Windows 3 came along, someone created a windows manager called Quikmenu that was written I think using Borland's Pascal. It was fantastic as you could configure the icons to either open a browsing window, or a command line prompt, to let you concatenate "things" on the command line. Neither Windows, KDE, Gnome nor any other windows manager I've used since were anyway neart as versatile. I'd click on the Acad icon then browse for a drawing and browse further for an acad script... and execute the whole lot as if I had typed a long command line. Now that was cool!
 
I like KDE4. Every try with Gnome & Unity brought me back to KDE.
(But i started my Linux-Life with KDE4 and never used KDE3)
 
when you use the swiss army knife that is krunner (press alt+F2, but configurable if you want other combination) and the 'runners', you'll never look back.. :)
 
I've tried KDE a couple times recently but it always ends up offending my minimalist tendencies.  Too much going on.  Turn it all off.
 
I used KDE on Ubuntu and it was halting constantly. I think it was the machine I used.
 
I hate pulseaudio integration in kde
John E
 
Who gives a fuck? Linux and all variants are becoming more irrelevant by the day.
 
Switched to KDE years ago, and although I tried several of the "shiny new stuff" since (Unity, Gnome Shell, XFCE) I never regretted it. I agree with most of Linus' critics, but those are some issues, nothing big, you can always choose not to play with this stuff. Other than that, looks neat ("cartoon" look can easily be changed thanks to the built-in theme manager, and a lot of themes are readily available from the system), some functions are really powerful, and enclosed apps are often top-notch (Dolphin definitely is the best file manager out there, for example).
 
I don't like both Gnome and KDE. They both are very limited in user experience. For example, I once had driver issues with touch pad. And how do you use Gnome with keyboard only? You just kill it with fire and go to console.

The same goes for KDE - if you don't want or can't use it the way developers intended then you're screwed.

I do understand that people here don't like Windows, but when we speak about GUI Linux has a long way to go.

That said I prefer Linux CLI tools.
 
KDE is the best, in my opinion (can't imagine Slackware without it).
 
I've switched to KDE after Ubuntu started to push that shit we know today as Unity. Currently, I'm on KDE 4.9 with zero regrets. Tried also Unity (sucks), Gnome 3 (Yes, if you have a tablet. A big nope for laptop/PC), Xfce and LDE — neither of those managed to impress me.

So KDE it is... (I wish it would remember the panel and widget positions for different screen sizes, though. When I unplug the secondary monitor, everything jumps on laptop screen. When I plug in the secondary monitor back in, stuff doesn't go back. But even if KDE makes a few changes for improving this, I doubt it'll work for me because ATI has a shitty driver.)
 
I'm also a big fan of KDE - if anything speaks in its favor, it's that my computer illiterare father is happy with his Kubuntu-powered laptop. Linux made simple - and intuitive for a Windows user.
 
In before Linus feels homesick and switches back to Gnome.
 
Meh ... Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Kubuntu - the great thing is to have a choice since we all do different things on our computers.

I know fuck-all about programming and mighty ninja-like computer things like most (I assume) here. To be honest: I suck at it. I use my computers for illustration-work and perhaps games (weee Steam for Linux soon!). Xubuntu works wonders with some of the illustration-from-scratch software out there (Like Krita) so I use it on one of my computers. I don't know WHY it works better - I just know it does. So I picked that one.

Choice - its a good thing.
 
They have bad defaults, but it can be made usable. I stopped looking for better.

I have a Kubuntu based distro that turns off netbook mode, sets double click to open files, and has my other favorite KDE settings set in /etc/skel (or ubuntu's locations).
 
What distro would you recommend for KDE? 
 
The thing is, I hated KDE < 4 but I didn't use 4.x until 4.5 when it had started to calm down. Without a doubt it's the best DE for Linux at the moment.
 
Anyone here who dislikes unity, has not given it a decent try after 12.04. I hated unity before that too, but now I can't use Gnome3, KDE or anything other than unity! Yes, Gnome2 looks like a thing from past now. Agree that the unity needs a "project butter" though.
 
+seb mitchell think it must be the K. Instead people love if an 'i' is in front of every thing. KDE should have patented the concept. 
 
KDE is lost, i have surrendered it forever. I live xfce4 now. GNOME 3 is also good, the change it has brought is acceptable and interesting. Still when working we want fast usage.
 
I gave up on KDE 4.x after I couldn't figure out how to add icons to the panel on the top (like I used to do in Gnome2). Eventually I managed to get one icon there (no idea how I did it), but now I can't move it either!!! And back to my trusty JWM setup where everything just works and nothing is fighting me - the way I like it!
 
+Gordon Freeman  ,  
ALT+May+F12 -> Disable/enable effects.
Disable bouncing icons ->System Settings/ System  Notifications/Launch notifications: No busy cursor.

+Graeme Geldenhuys you have tons of configurations in KDE, you can:
- add the icon task bar(a unity-like bar) and add your current applications http://maketecheasier.com/get-dock-like-taskbar-in-kde/2011/12/28
- In the menu pulse left button in any application and add it to the panel
- Add a plasmoid with the cashew in the left to configure the panel.
- Add a shelf: you can mimic the look of gnome 2 with this little plasmoid if you want.. look at http://maketecheasier.com/easy-organization-with-kde-plasma-shelf-widget/2010/11/10 
eventually, you have 7 ways to launch applications in KDE.. http://www.tavisonline.com/2011/08/launch-programs-kde/

+John McGee  In my opinion: openSUSE, Chakra, Mageia, Kubuntu

KDE is about configure your desktop, everything is possible... don't like it the theme? check bespin or qtcurve, there's a ton of beutiful configurations in kde out there... 
 
KDE confuses me everywhere where I click, only what I like is the settings there.
MATE - FTW !!
 
Fedora 17 with KDE here. I turn off some of the silly effects and now I have a desktop that just works and gets out of my way.
Abin R
 
With KDE from version 4.0.. Loving it
 
KDE, good software design brough to you by C++
 
there was a thread about removing this ability to rotate, but it turns out some people like and use it, and code speaking it was a few lines of code.. so some feature tho being useless it's better to keep to avoid angry users imo..
 
I forgot that have wobbly windows on KDE, they're so nice when enabled :)!
 
Yesterday I installed Window Maker in my netbook and now I'm really happy... I feel much more comfortable working with Window Maker than other window manager :) old days rock!
 
+Linus Torvalds  I wonder, Linus will now blame a KDE team?
I'm using Gentoo with KDE 4.9.2 for now and I think it is better than Gnome and Unity for  user customisations. Except of cource it is bloated and slowness.
 
+Galym Kerimbekov bloated? a default install after boot uses less than 300MB of RAM, which is less than what xfce uses, and it's not slow in any way...
 
I've used KDE for years after abandoning the mess that GNOME has become.  I do think KDE is a bit bloated but since I don't use KDE PIM apps I shut off akonadi and since slocate works for me nepomuk gets disabled as well, which reduces KDE's memory footprint considerably.

I do like having the ability to tweak everything although I also can't abide mouseover dialogs and they're generally the first thing I disable.  I also speed up animations to make things a bit less cartoony but I gots to have my wobbly windows too  ;-)

My own tip is that the best lightweight audio player I've found is qmmp - reminds me a lot of xmms before they broke it and I can run my favorite winamp 2 skin.
 
+Daniel Nicoletti  Maybe you using x86 (32-bit) system where it will eat a small amount of RAM and hardware resources. But it is not so for amd64 systems. Add here also nepomuk and akonadi =)  Or you don't use them, no ?  Xfce uses 128 MB of Ram on my Samsung n150 netbook, KDE used 400 MB. For netbook with 1 GB of Ram I prefer Xfce only.
 
+Galym Kerimbekov first thing I disable :P But on 32bits even Chromium uses way less RAM, but even on amd64 after boot KDE doesn't eat lots of memory.. I have tried unity/gnome, they all seem the same (for speed), except that you can't even change the position of the pannel in unity :/
 
+Daniel Nicoletti 
How much KDE eats on your amd64 system? (Without nepomuk stuff of cource).

Oh, let me guess, about 450 MB, yes ?
 
Running 32-bit Wheezy and KDE 4.8.4 memory footprint is ~180mb with akonadi and nepomuk disabled.  As mentioned above 64-bit systems use a bit closer to 400mb.
 
Gnome2 with compiz fusion and emerald window decorator plus AWN - that is my favourite setup since hardy heron. Tried several other DEs, but nothing compares. I don't like unity!
 
+Matthew Hackler fiddling with the UI settings for hours to get something barely usable is not what I'm calling "speeding up" workloads.
 
Long time KDE user (just because, no real reason), and I always disable the "icons on buttons" option to make it less cartoon-ish.  Also Cleanlooks all the way.
[cannot for the life of me understand icons on buttons?]
 
kde4 requires lots of memory and a very fast cpu not suitable for old PC, instead #XFCE is always very fast and responsive
 
If you don't mind my asking, +Linus Torvalds , what were you using as your desktop before trying out KDE?
 
I like KDE for same reasons Gnome fans don't.  KDE easily exposes the settings so I can set things up how I like.
 
Wonders if this poster ever has anything positive to say....I'm gonna call him Jay Sherman
 
KDE4 "stripped down" on my desktop (locked widgets + hidden cashew). openbox (no DE) on my netbook.
 
Since i have start to install  Linux for people, the first thing I noticed it's the people was interessed by the effects of compiz before the technical, the art remains in the hearts and souls of people, nobody remembers the counter of the kings of France François the first but everyone know his painter and architect of Leonardo da Vinci. The choice of harmony of colors or design are also important than the technical for an operating system even if certains effects can look like stupid for an insider. I prepare a news on this subject "Linux can it kill the window".
 
I stuck with KDE through the 3 to 4 transition fiasco because I don't want to give up kate.  But I don't regret sticking it out.  I've since learned that the key to KDE happiness is turning off semantic desktop.
 
I tried KDE for 15 minutes... then install XFCE.
 
I've stuck with KDE, despite it's issues.  Gnome is too bloated and slow, and all the other options seem to each be missing at least 1 thing that I depend on.  So, I soldier on with KDE, in mild annoyance at it's faults...
 
The way KDE renders its fonts hurts my eyes. I have no idea why. E17 does the same thing to me. I'd use KDE if I could.
 
Hey, if you wanna try out KDE, go for it. I honestly prefer Openbox, Fluxbox, Xfce, LXDE, or MATE/GNOME 2, and I think GNOME 3 has a lot of potential because of the ability to tweak it to your liking, but still, your choice, your move. :)

I've been wanting to try out Unity or Cinnamon lately.
 
The cartoony look doesn't bother me but the widget/plasmoid thing is strange. Activities....what is that all about.
 
The problem I have with KDE and Gnome is all the little services they run, reminds me of that other bloated OS/Desktop from Redmond.
 
+Allen Hazen That isn't really true.  E17 has been continuously developed for years now.  I'm using it at the moment as a replacement to Unity on my Ubuntu 12.04 system.  It's pretty slick.  I've seen it crash once out of 60 days or so.  Desktop icons are now possible as well.
 
I've tried them all, and my current DE preferences are: Ubuntu Unity with custom tuned Compiz (16 virtual desktops, and scale) for everyday tasks, and WMII for work.  Recently tried Awesome and didn't like it.  For me, WMII > Awesome.
 
I used Gnome to begin with, then KDE 3 until approx 6 months ago when KDE 4 became usable again. However the widget desktop thing have never attraced me, I hardly ever see my desktop and icons on the desktop either stay there from installation time or if I put an icon there it'll stay until I change the harddrive and need to re-install the OS... 
Widgets are cool for mobile devices as they give a good view of "things", but for a production desktop environment where I have multiple terminals or fullscreen browser/mail things running, then I hardly ever see the desktop, even with 2 screens and 4 desktops... 
I currently have 3 widgets that I played with in the short period after installation, but I never use them. Last time I used one was approx 3 or 4 weeks ago... and that was the folder icon because I didn't have Krusader installed (terminal filemanipulation is faster than any GUI IMHO).
Welcome back to the configurable desktop +Linus Torvalds :-)
 
I never really liked GNOME, so I use KDE mostly.  I've started back with IceWM though for the past month just to see how that looks and it's pretty solid.  No wobbly windows (or transparent konsole) though.
 
Seems KDE has been taking Microsoft circus UI lessons. 
 
I tried #KDE and "Forced" myself to use it for two days before I went totally crazy and came back to #Cinnamon which is where I'll stay...
 
Linus, welcome back in the real (desktop) productive world! ;) Please let the nice but almost useless plasma widget system away: that's really not the point for KDE to be a really good desktop system...
 
#kde is more desktop-like and I too like the ability to customize everything; however nobody has customized it to look pretty. Compared to osx, all linux desktops look like they are in the stone age. Something we need to fix.
 
Why not to STOP mantaining junk like KDE, Gnome, still xfce and all the stuff that just failed in Linux and do better and modern, next generation (html 5 / javascript based) GUI's like Apple and M$ do in their systems. Tonight I've read that the x server is old It should be replaced for something better?
 
I have also dipped my toe into the Kubuntu...
 
KDE looks and feel like a plastic soldier with some extra plastic. Gnome is like the cool bro, too smooth. But the Unity thing... God, I really hate that thing.
 
Glad to see you enjoy KDE, Linus. The KDE team have really done a great job and they and KDE could sure use more love. I have also recently "rediscovered" KDE myself too and I'm now using it as my main DE on all of my machines (switching over from my custom Openbox/Xfce hybrid setup).
 
I'd rather have the ability to tweak something for which I find no use personally (but someone might), than be constrained by limited choices to the way someone else thinks I should conform.

Unlike Gnome, for example, KDE feels like a wide-open field to me, with every possibility open, though as it turns out I trim KDE down to where it's lean and mean, and does exactly what I want and how I want it. No other desktop I've tried (LXDE, Gnome, WindowMaker, Enlightenment) managed to give me that amount of freedom, which is why KDE rocks my world.
 
KDE really is the best for developers. All of the shortcuts are invaluable not to mention a minimal and useable look and feel.
 
+Alim Khakimov , can you change the font size globally on OS X yet?  _THAT_ is why you use a GUI on Linux (or Windows for that matter).
 
I have tried others and I keep coming back to KDE. I know it and it does things the way I want. That is one of the beauties of Linux, overall.
 
I tried nearly every GUI available... my preferred one is gnome-shell... I'm so used to it ... just love it :-D
 
I like KDE but I had to finally give it up after too many knotify4 instabilities, system lockups and CPU throttlings. And all the semantic desktop stuff drove my crazy, since you could never totally rid it from your system. Some releases have been better than others, but I just couldn't rely on it for day to day work anymore.
 
I have been very tempted to give a try to KDE again, after all changes in GNOME, this thought will be finally come true.
 
I tried KDE several times in the past, but got fed up of the regular error messages / bugs etc. I tried it again when Ubuntu first forced Unity upon us and I'm now a fan. Still find the occasional error, but no more than other systems and it feels like I'm back in control of my PC again rather than the other way around. 
 
KDE is done right in Opensuse, they "calmed" it down, if you will. I still like LXDE better, though.
 
I tried KDE a few times, but could never get use to it. I was stuck with Gnome, until l discovered Xfce... it works very nice out of the box. It's light, highly customisable, and it got all the important features to work with. :)
 
I pimped out my KDE desktop as much as I could. It was fun though, still it's not that bad.
 
What I appreciate about KDE is its ultimately pragmatic approach. It WORKS. Gnome seems to be off on some sort of crusade to achieve some sort of ideal. I want to just get work done.

Linus is right though, KDE offers a stupidly large number of configuration options. Many of them really don't do anything all that useful. I wish they would construct a more coherent way to make the options layered. I only want about 10% of the most 'high level' ones, the rest should be buried deep in some obscure place that I won't ever be tempted to find, but that will be candy for the people that like that stuff... lol.
 
:) Myself I settled for KDE for now, I haven't seen any DE which I really like since the death of Gnome (talking about the original one, not the follow-ups).  There is still things I miss in KDE4 as better multiple monitor support, now I need to run an extra WM like ctwm to get anything usable on the second screen.
 
But hey, Linus, at least you can send a patch against Plasma... and KDE will accept it instead of yelling at you "we will never support adding features to our software, we REALLY want our software to be featureless!"!
 
If we have to use Linux, we need to choose one of the available DEs? Well, KDE still looks to be the better choice - Colorful! Somehow, I am home with KDE - I can say, 'a complete DE'!
 
I've used KDE ever since I started messing around with Linux in 2005 (I use it as my sole OS now, thanks +Linus Torvalds!) and I loved the look and feel of it, KDE 4 threw me off a bit but I eventually got used to it. The whole mouse-over thing that you mentioned does annoy the hell out of me, glad to know that you can turn it off because I always just manually created shortcuts to my things so that they wouldn't have the stupid bar that pops out when you mouse over it. KDE is a little broken at times (apparently it doesn't interact with DPMS well and would constantly put my screen to sleep after a few seconds, even though I had all the power saving settings off) but I love it.
 
Different strokes for different folks.
That being said: I'm on KDE since ages ...
 
I'm pretty happy with my switch to a Cinnamon Desktop.
 
I love GNOME..and terminal...you are - my person :)
 
well i have always been a gnome user, but new gnome it suX , and i dont like KDE. so now im stock looking always how to remove the new things that came with gnome for example the whole plasma dekstop ..!! 
 
I actually like the look of KDE a lot.
Dolphin, Activities and customization are mostly the reasons I prefer KDE over all other DEs.
 
Linux and KDE kills os x and windows crap in every possible way. I just left windows 7, because it was really annoying. Win8 is even more terrible while apple sucks all the time!
 
Almost my exact thoughts on KDE, Linus.
 
Great. Linus using KDE might result in at least some of those few gazillion unresolved bugs getting fixed. Anyway, welcome to Glitch Land.
 
Since switching to i3wm I do not want to go back to a floating wm
 
+Nikos Chantziaras "Welcome to Glitch Land", where many of the inhabitants have left involuntarily after unexpected system crashes and inability to use the desktop.
 
Is it possible to get any usefull work done?
 

Kde is like slackware...

Once configured you just forget about it
 
openbox + tint2 + guake + spacefm + geany|vim
 
All the linux desktop environments just suck. Some of them copy other os's environments, but they do it like amateurs. Some try to be creative and end up with joke like environments like kde, which does not only look like crap but also everything Torvalds criticizes about is true. There's overly simplified desktops and addons, which add candy on the crap.
Why do people copy others? Why won't they think of how things should be done and implement it? What kind of a desktop environment is fun and productive to work with? If it has a crappy copy implementation like ubuntu's "new" icon bar isn't it actually the opposite of what should be done?
Look at Windows' new environment where you can extend the environment by writing html5 apps and script them using easy to use javascript. Of course the speed critical work is done behind the scenes as it should be. Why this wasn't created in the "fast evolving" open source world?
There's still a lot to do in the linux world and I really really hope that, one day before I die, I could use a complete linux desktop environment and think that this is not only the best but this is made just as it should be.

Arch linux user without desktop crap
Message written on Windows since there's a lot people you have not convinced to create proper software for linux and as such I have to use Windows.
 
Yes! KDE out of the box sucks, but it's great with a bit of configuration... I like it better than Unity and Gnome 3, anyway. I like having a taskbar at the top with a Window Menubar and the window controls up in the top using Yet Another Window Control, sort of OS X style. It does feel like KDE bit off more than they could chew... there's lots of "great functionality" and "eye candy" that never got the TLC it needs and as such is glitchy and comes off as amateurish.
 
xfce -- the BEST and is getting the better !!!
 
i didn't until now find any De on linux desktop that i can use as may main DE, G-S is not yet complete, not all offical app (at lass are well integred to the shell with the needed futures) and far from being daily use DE on desktop, kde is good but needs huge work and changes, unity is still new and we need to wait until 14.04 hoping that most of futures will be ready (hope i will be able to can use my PC as on f.s films but that's so far as they are also working to port unity to mobile/tablet/tv/...), pantheon is amazing but still need some futures, innamon, mate and some other DE are based on old standards. And i'm asking about how the DE on other linux based embded systems are good (android, webOS,...) should we port them to linux desktop systems? but, right now i'm using LXDE for most of the time with some little applications to get my work done
realy the Shell(terminal) is the most complete DE if we can named DE, sadly i'm not good at using it :/
Peter G
 
I would suggest trying FVWM - you would have to take some time to configure it to your liking, but once that's done, changing WMs is not something you'd have to worry about. The flexibility and the amount of control about every aspect of FVWM's operation is unparalleled!
 
What DE are you using for your daily work?
 
I've always preferred semi-minimal stuff.  Stuff with plenty of features but minimal eye candy. XFCE and E17 are my two main choices, mostly because both do what needs to be done and then get the hell out of my way.

I've used tiling managers too, they're great for getting work done but a bit too minimal for daily use. They did teach me the value of virtual desktops though, which setting up is now the first thing I do for any new DE I try. Virtual desktops are so useful it stuns me that Windows doesn't have it built-in.
 
I just built a computer for my dad. He never used Linux but lives in the browser for all of his computing. He has only used win xp. What distro does everyone suggest? I am leaning toward Mint Cinnamon.
 
Have you noticed that with every new post Linus makes, there is a new word to learn? (today it's "whimsicality").
 
It's nice to know that there are serious people out there using these features also. My colleagues use to act strange if they realize my drunken icons and  wobbly windows. Now I can retaliate with your fame. And I started it before it was cool!
 
I really enjoy kde4, it can give you hours of fun playing around and setting the desktop up exactly you want it, but once you're done playing and want to get some work done it gets out of the way and gives a really slick feeling interface
John m
 
Gnome or KDE all not good. there are not a good desktop for linux.
 
2012 the year the Linux desktop died. XD

Seriously though +Linus Torvalds, I thought you were pretty happy with XFCE, did it let you down or are you just playing around with KDE?
 
I always love switching from gnome to kde, and eventually windowmaker sometimes. good to know you can choose
 
KDE, Gnome, xfce... something for everyone. Linus, you gave people freedome to choose, and proof that the best things in life are for free! THANK YOU!!!
 
I happen to love gnome 3. The only thing I like about KDE better is the widgets. Other than that, Gnome 3 is nice and smooth!
 
It is definitely possible to turn off the things that glow and grow and annoy, and auto-hiding panels work well enough again to keep a clear screen with full access to the widgets you desire... but the 3.5 days are still gone. File manglement and printing configuration still hasn't recovered. Pulseaudio configuration is still organized by people who don't actually use the tool and also don't code all day, and I fear that Plasma Active will further derail the build-out of KDE 4 to the KDE 3 principles of customization and functionality.
 
+Phil Schaf Constructive Criticism is too much effort and rants are so much more fun! :P
But one thing I do remember that irritated the hell out of me was the file manager. I just love the Nautilus style. Guess it boils down to preferences. :)
 
Unity? That's even more reason to avoid Ubuntu.
 
Final! KDE has missed you. The lack of configuration on other desktops drives me crazy.
 
+Linus Torvalds Since you are already loading kdelibs, try out Yakuake terminal. I think you might really enjoy it.
 
Pablo beat me to it but yeah, yakuake is super badass. And why having so many configurations available is such a problem is kinda funny 'cause you're using Linux! If you want to feel trapped in a box use a Mac ;P
 
XFCE best of the Best! Simple, easy, light and fast.
 
All DE's tend to suck. I think LXDE sucks the least, because it is light and still does everything one needs.
 
Been using the KDE4 line since 4.2 and it is the best DE on any OS IMO. Bar none. Just stick with it till you settle down, finish your tweaking and get comfortable. You won't leave. KDE is what a modern desktop should be.

To all those talking about bloat, check Phoronix's performance benchmark tests comparing all major DE's KDE comes out on top. That, and my mom uses it on her netbook.
 
I do fancy making the move to KDE on my Arch box once from XFCE. I wonder how more usable it is than the latter, because I usually get pissed if lightweight isn't written all over it for nothing, even on my high end rig. :D
 
Well... I prefer KDE than Unity. Thats why i use Kubuntu
 
KDE is awesome.  But, if you want really awesome looks, I suggest you try oxygen-transparent, with just a tiny hint of transparency.  Makes the entire desktop look great while still feeling very sophisticated.
 
Maybe I'm a minority here,but vim + csope under gnome is the combi great enough for what I do. It just feel homie. For the past 5 years I've been trying to convince myself to switch to KDE but had not much of persuasion.
 
Unity is almost perfect, doesn't rob vertical space, and it's minimalistic. You don't need to navigate any "start" menus and you don't need desktop icons, that's so old school.
 
KDE has got way too ... heavy for me. My FluxBox still rocks and there's no way i can let it go that soon
 
p.s if you want to see configurability check out E17's options. 

There are so many options (and so many ways to break you desktop) it could take you a month just to check them all out.

KDE has the right level of configurability imo, E17 takes it far to far...
 
I'm a dinosaur...still on e16. Love it.
 
The futur of linux is in ElementaryOs Luna !!
 
Screw the mainstream - just use xmonad or i3wm or herbstluftwm.
 
Wait.. You ACTUALLY use wobbly windows? I thought it was just there to show off to our windows friends how nice compiz is...
 
Fluxbox! Tabbed windows, simple taskbar, fbrun. What more do you need?
 
Cinnamon!  Cinnamon! Cinnamon! :D KDE is too heavy for my computer...
 
KDE is nice, but the desktop effects are a tad heavy in my experience... maybe that's because i am an amd/ati freak
 
KDE is the best desktop about but you don't have to have widgets and activities unless you really want them.

I have upgrade the K menu to Lancelot and removed all other widgets. I mean how long do you actually spend on the desktop? I tend to never go there as I am too busy using other apps.
 
So Linus develops a great, fast, lean kernel to install bloat on top of it? o.O #XFCE
 
+Linus Torvalds KDE is not the best choice IMO but it's really great there're so many options to choose there in Linux.
 
Exactly my kind of problem with KDE. It's still too cartoony. :-( 
 
Another #XFCE user here. Either way, it doesn't matter which DE you use as long as it works for you and you like it.
 
Welcome back, +Linus Torvalds , I hope you like KDE. Give it time to adapt.

A few month ago I decidided to switch Gnome-Shell to KDE. Gnome-Shell is an useless environment for developers of any sector and I ended up sick of it.

My adaptation to KDE Plasma was a little hard, but with the passage of time it convince me.

As Bruce Lee said, be water, my friend.
 
Is this some kind of Windows 8 Metro App? this KDE?
 
Intereating I'd always found old gnome to be too cartoony or os9y. I like KDE 4.9 + Mint Debian
 
I used to love kde3 (and, before that- 2 /shortly/).
unfortunately, its getting less and less usable those days. it's not really developed any more. kde4, from the other hand- far too shiny, far too many options. i much more prefer gnome/unity/xfce.
 
Yep, very Fisher-Price. I prefer Arch with Openbox but then, I'm a hardcore minimalist. 
 
I miss the days of fvwm when everything was easy to change, configure and make work the way I wanted...
 
Was it installed from source? Installed from packaged polished binaries on a certain distribution? Come on +Linus Torvalds details
 
Yes Max and Ivan, please tell Linus how he should use his computer. He probably hasn't considered any other options, and probably has no idea how he wants it...
 
I've been tracking both Gnome and KDE since version 0.x, and I never managed to overcome my dread of the ziliion configuration options available in KDE. Mind you, I never use the default configuration of any software, but KDE is just too much.

As for Gnome with gnome-shell, I think version 3.6 is very good and eminently usable, provided we install some extensions. People are under-estimating Gnome 3: it's ability to have Javascript extensions is an awesome feature. Though I really miss Compiz, and I'm really hoping extensions that emulate some of Compiz features do show up for gnome-shell.

My Gnome 3.6 desktop, with some extensions:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B5oSuBeQeY4DSzRrWmpSLXJSVlE
 
The best app on KDE IMHO is the original Konqueror with KIO slaves.  The ability to split the window connect to basically any file server/media/compression type and drag and drop between them is the most convenient thing I've ever used.  Dolphin is a joke comparably.
 
The problem with the widgets handle that appears on mouse over is that it needs to be easily discoverable: sometimes we have to introduce some annoying defaults to make things easier for new users.
On the bit cartoonish side I would like to say that KDE is looking for new artists, we would really love to see new styles, themes and artworks.
Anyway KDE developers are happy to receive any kind of useful feedback from users, we really need feedback to improve our software.
 
For my older Dell laptop, I like Lubuntu.
 
The most important things of KDE: Dolphin and Krunner. If you don't like how oxygen theme looks you can install other great themes like Caledonia.
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Nice, still prefer unity as
my main desktop and XFCE for the old stuff

 
I'm using KDE now. just GREAT,quick ,can make it anything you want 
 
looks linus lead us to a 'which is the best DE war' KDE is highly configurable ,and some QT software is really great . I feel KDE is gorgeous and gnome is just lame
 
KDE, the only Linux desktop left that's actually usable.
 
I am looking in the KDE direction too now. In Gnome 3.6 they managed to break such a basic thing like keyboard layout switching shortcuts. You should either disable gnome-settings-daemon and use sane tools, or live with ~1 sec per layout-switch, which is unusable.
 
Interesting to hear Linus is only now giving KDE a real try. I hope you get  long hard look at the QT libraries too.

It's a nice idea, but has just become too bloated and convoluted over the years. would be nice to spring clean and get a mean, clean version of QT.
It always felt (and yes, i know, thats by design) that it tries to hide too much of the OS and duplicates often redundant things.

I really wish we could get all the QT MOC stuff and the Gnome C++ stuff in a bar together, get them drunk and come up with ONE perfect runtime....
.... but then we'd just relive XKCD: http://xkcd.com/927/  ;)
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+Linus Torvalds Welcome back for KDE!
Please, develop some patches for the widgets. Thank you!
 
I really like Cinnamon... it's all you need in a desktop env... ;-)... But I'm still thinking.... after all these years and with so many talented people around the world ... Linux already should be have at least one amazing (with no comparations) desktop experience ... maybe some day ... :-)
 
LXDE... simple... does what it says on the tin... and you can still use your favourite KDE and Gnome applications... :)
 
i prefer xfce + nautilus as icon manager (to have gnome 2.x taste back!) , but kde , imho, is still the most graphically-granularly-configurable DE ever, especially made for eyes candies lovers ^.^
 
KDE is Windows Vista for Linux. Bloooaaated as hell, but buggy also.
 
Using KDE from version 1 still a Good DE..
But now Xfce a better choice
 
on the "cartoony" front, I think I can help and have been helping, the iconography as been getting more and more serious over the years, but we have to remember that KDE had one of the first modern icon-sets that at his time redefined part of the design landscape talking about crystal icon set, that design trend left a mark on what kde look like to users and since I'm not a fan of abrupt changes alot of that feeling was transmitted to Oxygen. over time we have made the theme more and more serious.
About Plasmoids, its not like any one as to use them right?
 
After using Unity since it's beginning I tried GNOME and KDE. GNOME was easy to get the hang of. I have tried to like KDE over and over again but it reminds me of why I can't stand windows, so much is not intuitive and user friendly, and the activities thing, what is the main purpose? but I plan to try again one of these days.
 
Unity is good, GS too, but they are not the most conservative desktops out there. KDE is a bit laggy on my PC, but it is way more costumizable.
 
The real question seems to me, is what GUI toolkit do you like.  Glade for GTK (Gnome) is really clunky.  I thought Qt was going to tank when I read about Nokia but it seems KDE is reaffirming its committment to Qt source.
 
Try to stack two control-panels in KDE4. Fail!
 
Fortunatelly we don't do KDE as Linus likes but as we like.
 
Now days KDE is more awesome than GNOME 3 and  much more awesome than Unity. It's just desktop that really works and do not distract you from doing usual tasks.

All you need to do, to simplify KDE is:
 - remove additional actions (leave only one)
 - reduce number of desktops to 2 or even 1
 - use KDE classic start menu or Lancelot instead of default star menu.
 - if plasmoids borings you - than change deskop to show content of the ~/.desktop folder
 
Vt220 terminal from d.i.g.i.t.a.l. is the real thing.
 
I'm using KDE specifically Kubuntu as I was a convert from Ubuntu from 2008 till 2012.  So far I like Kubuntu 12.04LTS better than Ubuntu 12.04LTS.  KDE is much more stable and less resource hungry than both Gnome and Unity (with the exception of Xfce and LXDE which is very less resource hungry). I choose KDE over both Gnome and Unity it's because there are tools that works well than the other 2 DEs.  - From Philippines.
 
The sorry state of the Linux desktop...most of them now wanting to look like a smartphone or tablet....Unity, Gnome 3 / Shell, KDE. I miss the old days of the classic desktop...now I use Cinnamon or Mate...call me old-timer, I don't care :-) 
 
KDE doesn't look like a tablet. It UI become similar to windows 7 even before windows 7 release :)
 
I'm between a power user and an average person.  For me any UI will do as it is functional, stable and reliable it will work for me.  As of now I prefer KDE because Gnome and Unity are having problems with several programs that are not working properly. Also Gnome and Unity are resource hungry as compared to KDE of course with the exemption of Xfce and LXDE which uses way less hardware resources.
 
I've used KDE off and on.  I think I'm about to switch back.  I've been using lxde and I like it, but it takes too much work to get it looking and acting how I want. 

Also, a lot of the complaints I see about KDE sucking are actually just complaints about what the default settings are for KDE on the distro you tried.  With all the options in KDE if you don't like the look or functionality of somethign it can be changed. 
 
Agreed,,, and it really bugs me how I can change all these things, but I'm all like "I want to line up these three icons and make them all the same size" and it's just like "NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT!" heaven forbid if I want two separate widgets to be uniform... Although I like things to be weird if they're really weird so to make up for my lack of OCD perfection by turning my desktop folder widget upside down
 
"Cartoony", you mean feels like a fake Windows 7
kinda thing.  But I like it and is way more elegant
than gonome. IMO
 
I use (Trinity)KDE3 which is still the best
 
I've stuck it out with KDE since KDE3 first launched, and although KDE4 launched in an unusable form, I stuck through it, and I'm glad that it's finally what it is today. It's the tinkerer's desktop environment.
 
+Linus Torvalds, you don't have to manually do all that. You only need to set the desktop to "newspaper" and all the widgets get firmly arranged. :) Other than that, KDE is a fking bloat. I'd rather stick with Fatdog64 and JWM >.<
 
Linux is not for mainstream sever , my friends and me use Linux in my PC and KDE gives us 'FULL CONTROL' or 'FREEDOM' what is seriously missing in gnome 3.  In India , several offices are using Linux and they prefer KDE Plasma Desktop but not Gnome 3 to compete against colsed source OS and Applications. I afraid that Gnome 3 loses  its importance in the most populated country of the world. Gnome 3 coder , Be practical ...
 
I really want to like KDE but there are two things that I find really horrid:
+ the menu navigation
+ the icons
 
I can understand why you dislike KDE, especially the new 4x version. But to me, KDE is really awesome and much easy-to-use than Gnome 3 or Unity (from Ubuntu - worst thing ever).

Btw, it's a pleasure to know that you're still working and contributing to the opensource world. Thanks, Torvalds.
 
anyone tries $p€©ia£ (d)effects out once a time :) but then you suddenly realize all-that xmas tree makes you damn slow & it's very reason to return minimalistic desktop to perform tasks on daily basis. however, i consider kde as great environment.
 
sorry, but I never had a so damn fast desktop experience like in gnome. The concept how you're able to control the whole desktop is unique. In very rare situations I have to use my mouse. Otherwise I only use my keyboard. If you're an enthusiast of classical DE it's ok - but gnome is really great and you should try it! NO MORE GNOME BASHING :-) Have great day all!

The only thing i miss in gnome - something like compiz. But I can live with...
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