, I will give everybody who asks for it my technical
opinion on Upstart, and that's my right. Other than that I don't really care about Upstart, and don't spend much thoughts about it.
systemd is a suite of things, very little of which is "subsumed" by PID 1, as you claim. And you guys know that, since you actually include at least two major components of systemd in Ubuntu by default (systemd-logind, and systemd-udevd). Also, we never "copied parts" of launchd, that's just an allegation you made up and which I will just ignore for now.
I try to keep the Upstart folks up-to-date about what we do, for example at Debconf, where we talked for an hour so, just to make sure they know what we are working on in the context of kdbus and things. We did this, because we thought it might be useful to you. Also, at conferences like the Plumbers Conference a few weeks ago in New Orleans we invited the Upstart guys to talk, since we want to make sure everybody can hear their side of the story too. All in all, we try to be fair to them, we try to keep them updated, we try to get them out of their little Canonical bubble, so that they communicate with the outside on where things are going, and they understand what other people do.
All in all I'd call that a maybe cool, and distanced, but somewhat fair relationship with them. It might have been more heated years ago, but today, it's really just a boring, maybe uninterested and certainly uneventful relationship with them.
Regarding the topic of Mir: I had to google today to figure out whether I ever said anything publicly about Mir at all. Turns out, I did, on the day it was first announced, where I made a joke about the name on Google+ and drew a comparison to some other Canonical projects, and that's it. I never fought it, I never wrote any other public line about it, I really don't care about Mir a tiny bit. I never "critisized the Mir team" as you say. Display servers are not my area of expertise, and I couldn't care less. I don't publically comment on things I have little knowledge of, because, well, I don't like looking like an idiot, you know...
So, I am really not sure what makes you so angry at me. I was kinda happy with our relationship to the Canonicals, but now you pick me out for a fight, but I am pretty sure I am the wrong person, since our relationship to the Upstart guys is actually boring, and regarding Mir I am really the wrong guy to complain about, because it's not my personal playground.
Also, let's note for a fact that you just did
go around, and thrashed me, in contrast to what you write in the same comment of yours.
Anyway, with behaviour like yours, and calling me names, all the goodwill from my side that might be left (or well, has regrown in the years) is really at zero now (again). You did an awesome service to your "upstream relations".