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Elven Ranger Bow: Finished the Siyah Design. Took some inspiration from the Mirkwood Elves weapon and armor in LoTR. "Blade" area will be painted to look like a stressed gold/bronze. I have also included the Bow illustration with the finished design siyahs in place. I think I am going to use laminated pieces of Ash to make the siyahs.
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Hehe I figured ;). And yes, even though I'm only up to the Passage of dawn, but just recently (yesterday) i kind of spent a couple hours reading the wiki and learning what happens to a lot of characters lol. It almost wasn't my fault though! It was spoiled for me within the first 2 sentences of a character bio, so I said screw it and kept reading. I'll still read the books though. 
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Elven Ranger Bow. Design after research and input from Adam Meade and Kurt Hamblin. Thanks Guys! So after researching some more and reviewing Nick's video on his Elven Bow, I found that the design is really based on a Mongolian Horse Bow. So I made the necessary adjustments in reflex and deflex, made some alteration to the siyahs to be more inline of where the string bridges should be as the are on the Mongolian Horse Bow and I think I'm pretty darn close. I'm showing it both unstrung and strung. This is starting with a 42" PVC Schedule 40, and 11" siyahs, 3" inside the pipe and 8" outside. Tip to tip unstrung would be around 52", target weight is 60#. Comments welcome. 
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+Kenneth Henderson That isn't with PVC, and the 90degrees thing isn't a hard rule, especially with static tips. I've made a number of bows with a decent amount of reflex, some with static tips, and some with working tips, including some of very similar design to what you are doing. I've made force-draw curves for all of them. As a result, I've built up a pretty good understanding of what the curve is going to look like based on the bow design for pvc bows. For example, this bow: https://plus.google.com/103669557145071686523/posts/boddxXrc5gB

It's got 44" of pvc and an additional 6" on each limb to the string nocks due to the siyahs. It's starting to stack some by 27", which is fine because my wife has a short draw.

You don't have as aggressive of string bridges, (compare the kink in your string at the bridge at brace height to mine) so your initial hump will likely not be as large, as I don't get string lift-off until 18 inches.

You can see a some pictures of the drawn bow here: https://plus.google.com/103669557145071686523/posts/9bJf8bzNerP

She's got it pulled to around 25 inches there and though the angle between the siyah and the string is nowhere near 90 degrees, the angle between the string and line drawn from the knock to a tangent point on the limb is getting close to it, which is why I would expect it to start stacking soon.

With your limbs being a bit short I expect it to start stacking a bit earlier, probably at about 25". I may well be wrong, which is why I'm curious about it. I would be very surprised if this draws to 30" without a noticeable increase in added force per inch of draw length occurring. If that doesn't occur, I'll be copying your design with another inch or two knocked of the length and have an awesome new compact bow to shoot. Awesome look and that sort of energy storage would be tough to better.
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Thoughts on Elven Ranger Bow. How does more or less reflex effect bow speed? For instance, taking my original profile of the Elven Ranger Bow and putting less deflex on the limb and angling the ends up with more reflx adds an overall 4.5" reflex instead of the original 3.5". Between the two designs would give better speed, maintain poundage and give a good accuracy?
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The first image is exactly what I was talking about doing in my comment on your other post. Both forms here look like they're well within stable limits, but the first would be faster. Because the braced limbs will be under more tension, though, it is more likely to take some set, though I don't see it developing into string follow.

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Worked on the design for my Elven Ranger Bow Siyahs. As per Adam Mead's suggestions. 11" total length, 3" inside PVC, 8" outer length set at a 45 deg angle from the limb. I've designed it to have a shape similar to a scimitar blade, giving it a very elven/asiatic look. The profile will be very narrow, thinner at the ends widening towards the "V" shaped string bridge. I have some red oak that I may use to make them unless someone has a better suggestion.
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Silver paint is usually based on banana oil. Spray the wood silver and let it dry well. Then overspray with clear acrylic. The acrylic interacts with the banana oil base and smooths out the silver paint to look like steel. Old theater props master technique.
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Good morning! I am thinking of making a PVC Hunting Bow. I want to hunt deer with it. I am trying to decide the best design and style. I want it to be around 55-65#, quick, efficient and quiet. Any suggestions? I'm thinking of a Maygar, or Ottoman Turkish War Bow style. I also love Nick's Elven War Bow. I'm think wood siyahs would be good. I'm an artist also so I will want to make it look elven ranger style. Suggestions or ideas appreciated! Thanks!
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Go to my plus page...you can see all my bows.
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Elven Ranger Bow - final design. Alright, I have it all planned out. I will start building it in the next few weeks. Just need some time to get out and have some dedicated time to build. I'm showing here the profile unstrung, strung and drawn to 28". From what I can see, with the siyah at the 45 deg angle like it is, we should see no stacking. The string at 28" draw looks like it could still draw another inch or two before reaching stack. I may make some practice builds first before going for the final. I am going to name this bow "Taulmaril the Heartseeker." ;)
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+Kenneth Henderson
Absolutely.
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More or Less extreme reflex/deflex thoughts. Ok, just trying to wrap my mind around this. Might be helpful to show some extreme between the two. What would be the benefit or not of the right limb compared to the original left one? 
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The limb on the right seems pretty impractical, as the extreme reflex right off the handle is pretty much negated by the immediate deflex that follows, thus the position of the nock remains relatively unchanged. The only benefit of that shape would be that it allows you to control where the forces will be greatest and could make a more stable bow in some cases. Honestly, the limb on the right looks likely to fail at full draw. The relfexed portion is still very round and will not want to flex much at all. This means that the outer half of the limb is going to be forced to bend backward at the apex of the slope. That bend is already approaching 90 degrees and at full draw, it would be extremely acute and, I think, likely to snap or collapse. If I were wanting to increase relfex, I'd use the general design of the limb on the left, only when it slopes up from the handle, don't make it slope back down as much. That portion of the limb is already the thinnest (and, therefore, weakest), so it will naturally take the most flex. You'd only want to start adding deflex if you observed a hinge or weak spot during tillering. 
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Here's the profile I have come up with for my Elven Ranger Bow. Comments welcome.
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Beautiful design. I can't wait to see it when it's finished!
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OK. Here's my latest design, based on Nick's Elven Horse Bow, with 62" tip to tip unstrung, wood siyahs added 2" more recurve in the siyahs. I have a 28" draw. Thoughts?
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Love the profile and the colors

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