Epic comment on the Kubuntu soap, linking the event to Game of Thrones.
Meanwhile, from reading the mails released by Scott (CANT STOP READING), I conclude that this is a case of misplaced anger: Canonical doesn't (want to) deal properly with the community, the community is pissed, the CC is caught in between as they have to mediate. They get hammered from both sides and take it out on the community because they can't take it out on Canonical.
Meanwhile, from reading the mails released by Scott (CANT STOP READING), I conclude that this is a case of misplaced anger: Canonical doesn't (want to) deal properly with the community, the community is pissed, the CC is caught in between as they have to mediate. They get hammered from both sides and take it out on the community because they can't take it out on Canonical.
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+Ralph Janke I stand by my characterisation of Jonathan's behaviour, based on a multi-page summary of comments and statements and behaviours that the CC produced in support of their decision. I believe he has lost perspective on Kubuntu as part of a broader project, and is saying and doing whatever he thinks he needs to in order to move his own agenda forward, and that is bluntly unacceptable in any member of the project, let alone someone we call a lead.
Jonathan's characterisation of money as unaccounted for is incorrect; he simply refuses to acknowledge the use of it to support the build farms and image creation across all the flavours of Ubuntu. He's making inflammatory statements precisely to get people like you wound up, that's just not acceptable.
Finally, the CC is an independent body that makes hard choices. Jonathan belittling members of the CC in public because they don't support his unjustified views on things over which they have no control is unacceptable, period.
From my perspective, KDE in Ubuntu is important enough that we make space for a passionate community to do its work in collaboration with others, just as we make space for MATE and Xubuntu and GNOME. I'm willing to fund big chunks of that work personally. I'm not willing to have members of the CC bullied by someone who is making unjustified and inflammatory statements about them just to get what he wants.
Jonathan's conduct is unacceptable in the Ubuntu community, and that's a final position. What is now open for discussion is how to best have KDE represented in the project. I'm sure people who appreciate what's special about Ubuntu and KDE will step up to that task.Jun 2, 2015
Ant B+3Like Ralph Janke here, I was taken aback by your choice of words used to portray Jonathon. I do not know Jonathon or any member of either KCC or CC. All I have to go on is my reading of all the available discourse I have been able to find regarding the funding and trademark issues.
I came across instances of conflicting and sometimes vague responses given to Jonathon by CC members regarding the technical issues surrounding donations to 'better support flavours'. I also was surprised that the particular collection scheme was apparently put in place without consulting the 'flavours'.
If it is in Jonathon's nature to be deceitful, not be a team player but work to his own 'agenda' as you suggest, Mark, then surely this would not have gone unnoticed in other spheres? Or is it just Ubuntu/CC members who find him routinely offensive, bullying, dishonest/untrustworthy, belittling, and so on. Surely the CC has to have failed to some degree? Even if you accept the scenario that despite things being explained logically, timely and without contradiction to Jonathon (acting unilaterally, and to his own agenda supposedly), he was entirely guilty as charged why where things allowed to be so bad for so long? Surely CC would have obvious legitimate grounds to formally put before KCC which could not be ignored?
You also refer, Mark, to Jonathon's unjustified views. Now, that is not really on because you are portraying the issues he raised as purely his own - and as his views - when we all know he was acting as a spokesperson for others besides himself. Again, I think you are not exercising the level of restraint or courtesy you would seem to impose. You are a relatively powerful and influential person and you should bear that in mind when publicly 'informing' us as to a persons 'actual' character.
You also say "What is now open for discussion is how to best have KDE represented in the project. I'm sure people who appreciate what's special about Ubuntu and KDE will step up to that task." Again, this is a bit much. So, what you are implying then, is that Jonathon was/is not passionate or did/does not care about Ubuntu or KDE, or regard them as special. Come on - that is not funny.
You say to Ralph Janke: "He's making inflammatory statements precisely to get people like you wound up, that's just not acceptable." What do you mean by people like you? Surely you only needed to say people? Are you suggesting that Ralf is an idiot, unable to discern for himself, easily wound/led/trolled? And the same for anyone else who might be 'taken in' by Jonathon and his one-man views/agendas?
To be honest, of all parties comments thus far that I have read, I find Mark's the most disturbing. No more Ubuntu for me.Jun 4, 2015- Please excuse the typo and where I wrote Ralf instead of Ralph.Jun 4, 2015
This is an interesting revelation about culture. For some reason the persistence that Jonathan uses and the associated frustration he has with the lack of progress is seen as negative, lack of warmth. The fact is, the issue is not solved to a satisfactory standard, and I fail to see why the people people cannot acknowledge that fact and leave the personal lack of warmth out of this.
This is volunteered work, but the CC appears particularly thin-skinned and I am surprised that this is not taken with a more professional, but hurt attitude. Is this just (1) an external impression, not having been at the receiving end of these requests, or (2) a cultural difference, or (3) an personal difference?
My two cents from an external kubuntu-user perspective.Jun 14, 2015- The CC has answered Jonathan's questions, and referred him to the authoritative source for the answers they cannot provide where they are not authoritative.
Refusing to accept an answer is not the same as not getting an answer, and under those circumstances, Jonathan's characterisation of members of the CC as failing in their duties, or worse stooges of Canonical, is both unfair and incorrect. His refusal to reconsider that language, and persistence in making unsubstantiated claims about the CC themselves, are a violation of the CoC which has resulted in the CC's sanction.
The CC is within its rights to strip JR of membership in Ubuntu altogether. The path they chose instead is perfectly appropriate.
Finally - the CC are largely volunteers themselves. There is no quarrel between the CC and Kubuntu, the CC have simply taken the view that a person becoming obsessed with an issue and being willing to tar other members of the project with negativity for no good reason is unacceptable. That's the exact job of the CC.Jun 14, 2015 
People, I knew this problem was to come much before it did. So I told you, but you still haven't seeing "it". Perhaps I'm younger than you, but after thousands of hours in training in emotional intelligence I think I have a say here.
The root problem is this:
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And the fix is yet very simple: you change writing long posts on what you dislike, and change them for what are you going to do. You change the "no" for the "yes", because it's different saying "I don't want to suffer" than "I want to enjoy".
So forget about whose feelings are the worst, because that's only excuses.
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