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Bucky Fuller: 42 Hours of Lectures

+joe breskin :
"I have a friend who followed Bucky Fuller around for the last 5 years of his life, taping every lecture on Betacam. To the best of my knowledge (last time we talked about it) he tapes are/were still sort of safe in a couple of footlockers, waiting for the emergence of a wet-pass machine to digitize them. This archive may motivate him to get started."

Buckminster Fuller: Self-Disciplines
http://bfi.org/disciplines

Conversation, Adaptation, Exaptation and then some...
+Adam Black 
Three wheeled Car didnt pan out... -New Revolutionary idea: Convince humanity to walk with only 1 leg!

+John Kellden
 And an even more revolutionary idea, learn how to walk gently, feet touching ground, on this planet Gaia. :)

+Joachim Stroh
7. Seek to reform the environment, not the humans. I am determined never to try to persuade humanity to alter its customs and viewpoints.

[rel] https://plus.google.com/u/0/100641053530204604051/posts/AKCnBFgTUva

+Adam Black
That doesnt make a lot of sense.

+Kevin von Duuglas-Ittu
"Pollution is nothing but resources we're not harvesting."
-- B. Fuller
- mental as well as physical

+John Kellden
+Adam Black it can be seen as the "person in the situation". People typically resist change, yet most of us adapt fairly well, if and when our environment changes.

Good connecting the dots +Joachim Stroh .
 
+Kevin von Duuglas-Ittu that's a good B Fuller. It reminds me a bit of the sanskrit "sarvam annam" - everything is food. If we are sufficiently aligned and attuned to our own ecosystem, it typically provides.

+Adam Johnson is our resident expert in this community with regards to options for reframing waste and pollution.

+Joachim Stroh
Thanks, John. Something related to what you said: http://davegray.looplogic.com/change-tool
How do you influence without control?

+Kevin von Duuglas-Ittu
I think Fuller wrote that quote in his book A Critical Path (man, that's a LONG time ago for me!), and somewhere around where he introduced the idea of there being no such thing as pollution he made the beautiful observation that when you hear a loud snap explosion in firewood on a fire that's a particularly sunny day (week) from a long time ago releasing itself. This kind of process thinking helps us get away from oppositionalism, super helpful in my O.

+Adam Johnson
These are beautiful. Each is almost a koan on its own. I especially like 7, in effect change people by changing their world. 
 
Thanks for the nod +John Kellden. I like the line +Kevin von Duuglas-Ittu quotes, and am reminded of a quote along the lines that waste is resources we are not smart enough to use. Perhaps it's from the "waste = food" of Cradle to Cradle by Braungart and McDonough (may have his surname spelled wrong).

Fuller is incredible in his thinking. Sometimes it seems that only now is his systems thinking understood. Other times it seems his thinking is not understood yet. But I think it is expressed in some of the more interesting environmental work around abundance and regenerative design. 

+Adam Black 
I like Fuller, but Pollution-which-harms-life exists. And Human beliefs and customs that permit it, are what must change.

 +Adam Johnson 
+Adam Black Of course pollution-which-harms-life exists, but it does not exist in the same way as a tree or a rock exists. It exists as the product of a series of design decisions, and that is what I understand by the quote +Kevin von Duuglas-Ittu refers to.

Pollution, like waste, is resources in the wrong place at the wrong time. It is not inevitable. I think that reframing the materials that make up pollution as resources that can be used creates the framework within which a design solution can be derived. In fact, it drives that solution.

Yes, human beliefs and customs need to change. Again my understanding only, but I read Fuller to say that the most effective way to change human beliefs and customs is to change their environment around them. He speaks as a systems thinker, and would prefer to do clever design changes than a perpetual struggle to change people within an otherwise broken system. I also prefer Fuller's approach - it appeals to my sense that design thinking can make a difference.

+John Kellden
Great comments by everyone. +Adam Johnson a perfect example of how a Design Attitude is far superior to a Decision Attitude.

+Luis Galarza
Great post +John Kellden. Let me tell you that the "thinking outside the box" approach save my restaurant businesses and actually turn them into a marketing beacon for new ideas and experimentation. 

+John Kellden 
+Luis Galarza hi, this is good to hear, and an important additional context, how social business ideas, digital networks, can augment and improve local, traditional businesses! In this regard, you are one of the leading pioneers.

+Luis Galarza 
Thank you +John Kellden, at my establishments I use social in an inverted way. Which so far have been very successful to generate positive conversations about my brand without my participation.

+Joachim Stroh 
Just occurred to me this morning that #7 is about adaptation, not about adoption. The former is more evolutionary (changing the environment > people adapt), the latter is more revolutionary (changing the people > people resist). This would help explain some of the misguided adoption strategies in social. Just a thought.

+John Kellden 
+Joachim Stroh an important difference! Timely share, was reading about adaptive innovation.

 +Kevin von Duuglas-Ittu 
+Joachim Stroh Perhaps an important word/concept here is exaptation: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIIE5cExaptations.shtml - The reason why social adoptions fail is that social features fail to be re-purposed. Human behavior change should feature exaptation, not "revolution", imo.

+Joachim Stroh 
Adapation & exaptation, excellent suggestion, Kevin. I'm trying to come up with some examples for both. I can see an individual coping with information overload by aggregating & filtering content or a collective coping with incomplete/inconsistent information through collective sensemaking as examples for adaptation (there's also an iterative aspect in the use of methods and technologies, increasing "fitness" as we move along). 

What about examples for exaptation?
There is no way to predict what 'Darwinian Pre-adaptations' exist today, what can be exapted to new functions, in some cases existing affordances only become visible once they are seized - that is after the fact.
-- +John Verdon 

I may have one example via +John Tropea : email isn't just a communication tool, people use them as knowledge maps and archives

+Kevin von Duuglas-Ittu
I think exaptation is everywhere, proliferate. All forms of invention use it. Sometimes it is conceptual as in things like "The brain is like a computer" (analogical thinking), and sometimes it is behavioral/conceptual, for instance how Pinterest has created a dynamic scrapbook just when scrapbooks were nearly extinct. I think key here is that when you want to bring about behavior or conceptual change you need to find (usually with intuition) existing cultural analogs to graft them onto. The automobile was a "horseless carriage" before it was an automobile proper (one reason why the engine was in front). Most of these occur in inspiration, but I think they can be strategized as well.
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I like it, (it being the resharing of a conversation within a different post). It read clearer to me that a collection of quotes. Would that it were threaded was one of my initial thoughts, but on second thinking - digging for the truth of it, I'd rather prefer a distilled version.

What's the morality of cherrypicking a threads comments?
Is that editing, or passing a value judgment on everything everyone had to say?

I balk at the positive reinforcement being included. i.e. "excellent point whomever"

- It feels sort of that the inclusion of just the point in the child product is positive reinforcement enough in the new post 
- the existence of the positive reinforcements (great point, fella) in the original thread are serving the purpose of sustaining the original discussion, but lose value when repeated in the product. 

While I really really love conversations resulting in recognizable offspring, this seems to have too many chromosomes or something, pushes tl;dr and makes it difficult to know what to comment on the child conversation. 
 
From where I sit, it's rich context, out of which opportunities to learn more about both ourselves and others.

Heh, too many chromosomes, this reminds me of the Supreme Being, The Fifth Element...
 
That joke is funnier now ( that I forgot ) then when I made it
 
This is a fantastic resource +John Kellden, and thank you for the memory one of a good conversations about the impact of the social web for traditional businesses.
 
It would be seriously cool if Google would allow us to search and find the good stuff hidden away in comments...
 
I've wanted comment search since Day 1...
 
I've wanted more fulfilling means of feedback since Day 1. :)
 
Great pattern, John, to resurface some of our content in the stream. Made me re-think a new chart on adoption, adaptation, and exaptation. 

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How wonderful to have something to share with kids who missed him the first time 'round.
Fuller, in a lecture I attended, told us how he developed the ideas. Kids need to know that they don't pop from the brain full-fledged... they need development and experimentation, and failure to arrive to the genius we finally remember.
 
Fuller - mind versus brain/Bohm- consciousness versus thought. Did anyone else notice the similarity in speech pattern between Fuller and Bohm. Methinks perhaps the perceptual wavelength and view each expressed may originated from a common source/frequency/wellspring. . .
 
+John Kellden +Joachim Stroh +Grizwald Grim Is motivation/intention as element or ingredient of conversation separable from ego and judgement, as a driver of exchange, aggregation, synthesis, and emergence of commonality of understanding - through the Fuller lens of conversation as experience versus transaction? Is, as Fuller suggests, our innate gravitation toward the synergistic sufficient to promote and facilitate conversation, or is some personal individual pull-based motivation or catalyst a contemporary requirement?
 
actually I think we are modeling the answer to that question guys....
 
+Doug Breitbart I would say that what we determine to be a 'promoted and facilitated' conversation will be dependent on the expectations we bring into it.

My more recent preference is to allow things to develop as they will without worrying about the direction they're going - then trying to appreciate the direction they ended up going in.
 
Digging through some Fuller quotes, I came across this gem (1928):
There will come a time when the proper education of children, by a glorified system of spontaneous education of choice, similar to the Montessori System, will be made possible. Children, as well as grown-ups, in their individual, glorified, drudgery-proof homes of Labrador, the tropics, the Orient, or where you will, to which they can pass with pleasure and expedition by means of ever-improving transportation, will be able to tune in their television and radio to the moving picture lecture of, let us say, President Lowell of Harvard; the professor of Mathematics of Oxford; of the doctor of Indian antiquities of Delhi, etc. Education by choice, with its marvelous motivating psychology of desire for truth, will make life ever cleaner and happier, more rhythmical and artistic. 
 
+Joachim Stroh I sometimes refer to it as the witnessing mind. My experience is, it can be allowed to emerge, through mindfulness. A Bohm thread to develop this further?
 
Fuller predicted Coursera and Youtube 1928, that's impressive! :)
 
Personally, I believe Tea House Sequences can be used, since they scaffold structure-preserving transformations, eg the smallest necessary change. Related to both catalysts and trimtabs. Although to me it's more like verbs, practices - catalyze, trimtabbing. Experience co-evolving with deliberate play.
 
+John Kellden maybe you can help us step back with those "broad view eyes" of yours John...I got lost awhile ago...it all seemed so simple....can't wait to view the Bucky talks
 
Susan, you figured it out already, modeling through role-modeling. :)
 
Ridiculously happy with the sixteen reshares. Carry on, as you were...  :)
 
+Susan Cox +John Kellden I agree with the modelling is the message concept. I also appreciate the mindfulness references +Joachim Stroh and +Grizwald Grim. Part of my reason for raising the question is my chronic preoccupation with the 90/9/1 reality that results in a 1% active participation, 9% response based participation, and 90% lurker participation. To me the greatest challenge/opportunity to release the true potential of the collective mind is to figure out how we engage and activate the "9%" and the "90%." Since generally the vast bulk of the resistance or disinclination to actively engage is likely attributable to competing demands on attention, one of the questions becomes, "how do we generate the pull to lift engagement in these kinds of conversations on their priority scale." Underlying that, the drivers to my mind are colored by the elements raised in my initial question, I suspect; although I am open to a different interpretation or view of human nature. Any thoughts. . . ?
 
+Doug Breitbart  I think the more we quantify it the more frustrated we become...we can't control where people are on their path...I think the 10% who get something are where we should focus....they may comment and share and touch 10,000 people. This is true in EVERY learning situation...and in life. In my 2 day SEESPEAk experience (The art of changing behavior and Influencing others) I always remind then...you can lead an adult to learning but you cannot make them learn. Isn't that the joy of the work. I am a catalyst and that feeds me.Just a thought.
 
40 and I still got no round-house!
Dang, Fuller was all idea and no Followthrough.. 
 
The conversation is the work, the shared understanding is the resolving. Very often we unnecessarily complexify things, by turning them around:

Conversation is Sufficient Divergence
We frequently come to a conversation with a too convergent agenda, at the risk of failing to gather around the table, not listening to what part of the wholeness and scenius wants to unfoldm out of a sufficiently diverse and sufficiently generative conversation.

Shared Understanding is Sufficient Convergence
Sometimes we also fail to resolve through understanding, instead producing individual fragments of individual understanding, then resorting to all kinds of clever persuasive communication protocols and strategies and whatnot, to influence others to see things our way, while they try to do the same.

+ConversationLab Shared Understanding Tea House Sequence:
Gather, Diverge, Emerge, Converge, Prototype

Most human communication is still trying to do the Hammer, Nail approach:
PseudoGather, Converge through Tacit Agenda, SkipEmerge through Authoritarian Leadership, Diverge, Stuff made of Plastic

Which is why Unlearn is often a good place to start.
 
+John Kellden oh goodie we have a follow-through officer and a new word...complexify thanks John!
 
+John Kellden maybe they will...we just have to articulate it...who better than you John??? I am NOT being facetious here)
 
+Joachim Stroh ooooooo that is a gem...this environment so lends itself to  process like that
 
+John Kellden now that we have journeyed through some conversations I finally GET this comment John.
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