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facebook vs google+ ...
this post was inspired by a post by +Shamil Weerakoon ( http://bit.ly/HSJA0g ) ...

» the purpose of each platform
it is often said, that #facebook and G+ fulfill different purposes ... facebook connects you with old friends, G+ with new friends with the same interests (in a nutshell) ... bullocks! ... due to its circle system G+ could easily do both ... it is by far the more sophisticated platform ...

nobody ever writes about how wonderful facebook is as a platform ... what people like about the network is, that they find their friends there, not how wonderful the tool itself is ... even discussions on facebook itself usually revolve around all the short comings of it ...

G+ could take over all of facebook's roles ... though there are plenty of things that G+ can do and facebook can't, there is nothing, that facebook (as a tool) can do, that #googleplus can't ... due to the fact that we can arrange our followers in circles we could easily carry on using G+ as a #communication device for people with the same interests, but we could also use it to stay in #contact with our mates and family ...

» facebook's advantage
the thing is, G+ doesn't have the user base (yet) ... that is facebook's only significant advantage ... this will change! ... with the integration of all major google products into G+, google will eventually pull almost all its users into the network ... G+ will become #google with its more than a billion users ... then facebook will have lost its only advantage ...

» i want my friends and family here
i still hope, it'll not go the way of myspace (and i don't believe it will) ... even the ingenious guys here at google need a bit of competition to keep them on their toes ... ;-) ... i just hope that my friends and family will eventually join G+ ... so many people say i don't want my family and friends here ... i could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong ... i want my friends to experience the awesomeness of G+ ... i want my family to communicate with me through hangouts ... i want my mates to use the magnificent tools here ... i want all this for them, because they are my friends and my family and i want only the best for them ...

let me know what your take is on this and as always, thx a bunch for any +1, comment and reshare ... ;-) ...

greez, +Jens Graikowski

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+Jens Graikowski you definitely have the better graphic. I couldn't think what to put for mine but didn't want to be sans visual.
 
What I miss here are also the groups. In Facebook, I have a page where I see only the messages my best friends shared within our group.
 
+Kellya Clanzig I think we need public circles that you can subscribe to. That way you get any post that is posted to that circle. It would function similar to a group.
 
+Kim Kröger I agree it does do all of that. However for those who already have FB the friends and family isn't a selling point for G+.
 
if pages had the ability to let every follower post on it, rather than just admins, we'd have a solution for the problem +Kellya Clanzig ... google could easily make this option available for the page founder at set up ... or +Cliff Roth's solution with public circles ... i'll send some feedback to the googlers ... maybe you should too ... the more they here about it the better ...
 
my post might have the nicer pic, but yours is so much more eloquent +Cliff Roth ... i'm not very good with words, even less so in english ... :-/ ...

the only selling point for those already at facebook is numbers ...
 
I have 11 of my Facebook friends on G+ but only 1 of them uses it. The other 10 had a look and have never come back. I always telling my Facebook friends to come and sign up and see what its about. No matter what I say they will not. because of this I have to spend more of my time on Facebook. Also I put posts up on G+ a lot and I almost never get any come back from the people that follow me. So now I just find my self just reading what other people are saying.

The fact that I hardly never get any come back from the posts I put up is for me the biggest problem with G+. Its seems the only way I could get any come back would be to get more Facebook friends on here. But then why bother if I can already chat with or interact with them on Facebook. For now I will just have to chat on Facebook and just follow on G+.
 
+Mark Deacon I find interacting breeds interaction. Most of my posts barely get any attention either, but that is ok.
 
+Cliff Roth We will just have to keep trying to write interesting posts. Just hope I don't get feed up trying.
 
+Mark Deacon and interact with others like you are now (of course you might already be doing a lot of that). Having lots of interaction can have a down side such as when you intended to do something else and end up spending several hours replying to comments.
 
+Mark Deacon ... please don't be sad, that it looks like nobody is responding to your posts ... i know, how frustrating this can be (been there, seen it, got a t-shirt) ... i wonder if you'd mind if i offer some advise? ... i don't like doing it unsolicited ... with advise it is a bit like with salt, you should only hand it out if asked for it ... let me know if you are interested! ...
 
+Cliff Roth Yes I do do that a lot and that is good. G+ for me is starting to get better and I'm sure it will build up. Just with I could get more of my Facebook friends to come over and start using it. Which is what this post is about.
 
+Mark Deacon what benefit do you get from that, you already have a place to interact with them? I used to try and get my FB friends to come over too but for them not me. i think many could benefit but that is their choice to make.
 
+Cliff Roth Just been reading your post (Google Plus is NOT a Social Network). Very good post and very interesting. Nice work.
 
there are several benefits i would get from my peeps moving over from FB, +Cliff Roth ...

the first one would be, that i could finally quit it for good ... that would save me splitting my time between two networks (though i hardly do anything on FB nowadays) ... i'd rather spent all my time here ...

the second benefit would be that i could finally communicate with my mates and family via hangouts ... i live more than 3.000 km away from were i grew up (and i grew up 650 km from where i was born and where most of my family lives) ... even most of my old friends now live quite a distance away from each other ... if i could get them to embrace hangouts, we could all see each other regularly ...

all my finswimming friends i only see about 1-2 times a year on european or world chanpionships ... with hangouts we could meet throughout the year and organise seminars and conventions (as you said in your post) ...

if i now add the coming integration of other google products to the mix (youtube to exchange training videos, google calendar to organise events, google docs to exchange information, etc.) i won't even be able to list all the benefits anymore ...
 
Now G+ have improved the chat option that might help me get more of my Facebook friends over. The chat on Facebook works very well. Another thing Google should do is advertise on TV about G+. Don't see any of that over here in England. I'm sure that would help move more over from Facebook big time.
 
See +Mark Deacon I think they broke the chat feature ages ago when they integrated it with their messaging system (FB I mean) the two shouldn't be connected. A message is a message like email while IM chat is just that instant. Connecting the two was a big mistake.
 
i never liked the chat at FB +Mark Deacon ... i'm not really a friend of the chat here either though ... the real advantage of G+ over FB is hangouts ... there will be more later on, when they keep integrating more of their other products, but for now its hangouts ...

the same mistake that G+ made with PM system +Cliff Roth ... a PM is a PM and a stream is a stream ... the two don't mix ...
 
the decision to include PMs here at G+ into the general stream, was the biggest cr** ever +Surbjit Singh! ... the guy who came up with that should be fired on the spot! ...

first, it's an accident waiting to happen (and it has happened plenty of times already) ... i don't even want o know how many people forgot to delete the public in the recipients field, before they sent of a private message ...

second, all PMs disappear in the steam and are impossible to search through at a later date ... i try to make up for that short coming with unique hashtags i attach to my PMs but why should we have to work with a work around at a sophisticated platform like G+? ...

there's few things i don't like about G+, but the one thing i really hate is the PM system ...
 
The best thing to do when sending a PM is to 1st before you even write the message is make sure its only going to the person you want it to go to.
 
obviously you are right +Mark Deacon ... nevertheless accidents have happened (the most famous is probably the one involving steve yegge's rant) and will continue to happen ... why? ... because google wants to be different? ... because the feel the need to reinvent the wheel? ...

apart from that, PMs just disappear into the stream ... i've had people not getting several of mine because the merged with the rest of their notifications ... it also makes it impossible to search through them at a later date ...

let's face it ... the PM system here is cr** and it's about bl***y time google does something about it ...
 
+Jens Graikowski I will send them feedback on it. I'm sure you and many others have already though. Why is it that only some people have the little envelope to send a PM to them next to the circle you have them in at the top of there profile?
 
because everybody has to allow messages in their settings first ... they are set to disabled by default ...
 
Just seems stupid that its not up there all the time. Easy way to send a PM. No point in it not being there when if not you can still send a PM from the stream. I will have to look at my setting to make sure I have that turned on.
 
+Jens Graikowski that is why you need to plus mention the one you are pm'ing in the post. Though I agree the situation is less than ideal.
 
the problem is not that the post won't reach it's designated recipient +Cliff Roth ... the problem is that it might reach everybody else to ... one little mistake and you'll plaster it all over G+ (and the rest of the internet) ... it has happened to me ... in my case it was only funny ... in other cases it can be very embarrassing and have even further implications ... again i ask why? ... so google can say they are different? ... i still have to hear a sensible explanation for this ill-conceived Pm system here ...
 
as far as i can see, yours are off +Mark Deacon ... go to our profile, click on edit profile and then on change contact settings! ...
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