my point of view on the G+ ghost town stories ...

many #journalists are still writing articles about #googleplus being a ghost town ... i used to get very upset about it (cursing them and shouting "are those id**ts completely bonkers or are they all doom-mongers and link-baiters?") ... as always when i spend some time thinking about an issue i become more able to understand the other camps point of view ... the same here ...

of course there are always those among the writing profession who don't even believe in their own written word ... those who deliberately spread lies and half-thruths, because they need to boost their otherwise insignificant journalistic careers with link bait ... those people know, that what they write goes against the grain of many of us and they know that we can't help ourselves, we just have to react to it ... we hurry over to their ill-conceived articles to leave a scorching comment, not realising, that's exactly what they want ... those, i've learned to ignore ... i'm making a point of not even clicking on the links to their articles ... not taking the (link)bait so to speak ...

then there are those who really don't get it ... i don't mean that in a bad way ... i'm not implying they are stupid, but trying to explain that these people either don't want to make google plus work for them (because that would mean they were wrong when writing the article and admitting to be wrong is a difficult thing to do) or don't know how to ... for the former there is no remedy but thorough soul searching, but for the latter there are plenty of helpful people here, who don't mind lending a hand like +Denis Labelle, +Mark Traphagen, +Gabriel Vasile, +James Lawson-Smith and so many others (like myself) and there are a truck load of helpful posts and articles around, explaining the ins and outs of finding your way around the place (you can find most of them under my unique hashtag #jgguides ) ... we also have helpful G+ #communitymanagers like the lovely +Katherine Gramann, +Natalie Villalobos, +Toby Stein and others ... loads of helping hands, for those who want it ...

and then there are those, who either expect to much of G+ or don't really know what they want out of it ... what is it that you (you personally) want to get out of G+? ... as you might know (if you actually follow my posts and as will become clear later in this post, i don't think many actually do), i've had a +Google+ identity crisis myself for just this reason several weeks ago ... i took a leave of absence to rethink what i wanted to get out of G+ ...

i now have my own little ghost town here at G+ ... it is built for almost 3.200 souls (my follower count) and populated by maybe 40 - 50 (no way of telling, but that's the amount of people who regularly or sporadically seem to interact with my posts) ... if you translate that into #reallife you can imagine, that it really looks depressive ... 50 people running through the streets of a town made for three thousand? ... that's no good, right? ... wrong! ... after meditating over my reason for being at G+ i'm quite happy with that ... you see, in RL i live in a town of about 45.000 souls ... i don't know each and every one of them and though i might have seen most of them in the streets at one time or another i don't interact with all of them ... i might have actually met about a couple of thousand of them, but i don't actively socialise with those on a regular basis either ... i interact (to a varying degree) with maybe 50 to 100 ... same thing the other way around ... thousands of people know me (or of me) or have seen me around in my town, but do they all constantly follow me around? ... do they all regularly interact with me? ... no, they don't ...

that is why some call G+ a #ghosttown ... they might have a relatively satisfying follower count like me, but they can't understand, why they are only getting an average of 3 comments per post ... 3 people interact, so the other 3.197 must be inactive on G+, right? ... they only created an account, but they don't use it! ... i often hear "that's different on facebook"! ... is it? ... and if so, why? ...

facebook (with its 850.000.000 members) doesn't look much better ... it's probably true, the same post over there might get a slightly higher response, but mainly because people over there often know each other in real life and it is far easier to get your friends to interact with you, than people you don't actually know and who follow you out of interest in what you post rather than your person (that inspires them to read your stuff, but not to interact with it) ... at facebook you don't get a response from all your friends to all of your posts either ... actually the posts that do get high response rates are the ones that talk about something silly or something private ... it's your friends responding, remember? ... posts that have some meaningful insight into an issue that many people should care about are usually doing pretty badly on FB too ... is facebook therefore a ghost town too? ...

people get upset (i used to too) that posts they believe everybody should care about (either their own or those of others), like good causes or government scandals or what they had for breakfast, get little response and therefore call G+ a ghost town ... how would we see the same scenario in real life? ... let's take a real town of 10.000 inhabitants and let's imagine something is really wrong there ... let's imagine the owner of a huge factory there is doing some kind of scam that will cost thousands of workers there jobs and will effect the whole community to one degree or another ... one active person calls for a protest march in front of the town hall ... the scam effects everybody and everybody should be interested and act, but is that the case? ... will you have 10.000 people at that town hall? ... no, you'll be lucky if you get a couple of hundred to move their bums and do something ... does that mean the town is deserted? ... would you call it a ghost town? ...

G+ it is populated with millions of active people ... it's just, that not everybody constantly interacts with everybody else ... not everybody who follows you, actually does ... they probably unloaded you in a circle "read when you don't have anything better to do" where you are stuck with the vast majority of the people they follow, without ever catching their attention ... and even the people who do read your posts on a regular basis won't respond to them all the time ... that doesn't make it a ghost town though ... it just makes it more like sharing in real life (sorry Google+ for stealing your motto here) ...

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forget all i said in this post ... after all the work i put into this piece of art, all i get is a meager +4? ... G+ really is a ghost town! ... :D ... lol ... only kidding (just in case one of the doom-mongers doesn't get it) ...
 
I do understand your point of view. How ever when i refer to ghost town it basically isnt on the same level as facebook or twitter. I do still feel that people are missing out. G+ is going to be the place to be. Doesnt matter the purpose.
 
i wouldn't know about twitter +Gus Van Der Walt ... i have an account there, but i've never really used it ... as you can see by this post i have a problem with the 144 character limit ... :D ...

as i said in the post though, i don't think facebook is that much different ... i used to be very active on facebook and even published exactly the same posts on both networks, when i first started with G+ (as kind of an experiment) ... the results where that as long as i posted funny pics or stuff about my family and my life i got good response on FB ... when i posted meaningful stuff though i got none! ...

as i said, it depends what you want to get out of your social platform ... i'm more into good discussions and insightful conversations than funny pics ... i feel great here on G+, but that doesn't mean that everybody has to ... each to their own ... ;-) ...
 
I read this earlier on my mobile, started writing a comment but didn't end up posting it.
It was about a hangout I'd had earlier this morning with relatives that are blueheads, no profile data and no posts. I showed them how to do hangouts and that's all they do on G+ for now.
Apart from G+ hangouts I find the whole Internet is a ghost town in regards to connecting to family. SMS and phone works best. I'm glad that to some of them at least, Google+ is free group phone calls with video... and reindeers. Today I was about to play soccer with my son when the hangout notification arrived, so they got to see some jerky video as we ran around kicking the ball and searching for it when it got lost in the garden. We went inside later and they got to see my daughters artwork on the fridge while she explained her drawing.
This is one up on SMS and phone calls :)
 
I've only found 2 people (aquantences) and one former tech savy Professor that I know on Google+. I have over 900 friends on Facebook, so thats why many people call it a ghost town. Not over the fact that people are not responding or following what I post, I can't even get one single follower in the first place. Hence ghost town cause literally no one I know is on here. Social sites like these are only fun and useful to the younger generation if people we know actually use it. IMO. And so far it has not caught on only caught dead.
 
Well Remember it took Facebook a rather long while to get to where it is today. G+ is still young as we said. But the user interface is more exciting. Not only for business but for the average. I just think people haven't spent enough time to realise the true potential behind Google and Google+. There is a heck of lot on offer for the web user and to utilize to the max requires some time understanding it all. Yes for now it may be a Ghost town. But give it time and soon you will see the power this lovely social network has. I personally prefer G+
 
I never saw one Facebook commercial on TV in 2006, I also had about 40-50 friends on Facebook as soon as I joined. It may be better but something is just not making people want to switch. Remember beta tapes were better then VHS, we all know how that worked out. Google+ isn't going to make it/ live up to its true potential or ever rivial the massive Facebook.
 
+Nick Brisson ... the issue you are describing is a common one ... my friends are all on facebook and nobody wants to switch ... when i first started on G+ i had the same problem, probably even worse, because then #googleplus had maybe 10.000.000 members, and believe me, i didn't know any of them ... my follower count now is somewhere around 3.200 (in about 8 months) as compared to about 300 (in about 2 years) at the other large social network ...

facebook and #google + are two pair of shoes ... at facebook you meet your friends, the ones you mostly know in real life too ... at G+ you make new friends, based on your interests ... G+ is not the beta tape compared to the VHS tape facebook ... G+ is the DVD! ... i'm sure there will be a blue ray disc around one day, but for now G+ is the top and believe you me, G+ is here to stay, like it or lump it ... not because it is the better social platform, but because google+ is google! ... facebook is not the massive one here, google+ is! ... google is in the process of incorporating all it's major products into G+ ... in the end most of the google users will be G+ users too ... google has more than 1 billion unique visitors a MONTH! ... if you really have to see facebook and google as rivals, then you are wrong about who the bigger one is ... the giant here is google! ...

i'm sure you have heard all of this before ... these kind of discussions are repeated all over G+ ... i'm sure you also have found posts explaining to you how you can make G+ work for you too (at least if you are serious about it) ... the point is that you have to want to make it work ... i don't want to invest time and energy if you have no real intentions to get the most out of the platform ... i'm sure you are, since you are still here, responding to this subject, but so many people rather moan and whine than do something about it ...

if you are serious about wanting to make it work, let me know and i'll gladly help you with it ... ;-) ...
 
+Jens Graikowski said, "facebook and #google + are two pair of shoes ... at facebook you meet your friends, the ones you mostly know in real life too ... at G+ you make new friends, based on your interests." Exactly! Google+ is about discovering the interesting people you haven't had a chance to meet yet. Facebook is for touching bases with people who you let drop out of your life because you never had much of a relationship anyway.
 
Facebook never seems like "work" to me. I shouldn't have to "work" for a social network, I should enjoy the product I use. So far i have not enjoyed using Google+ and it has not brought any added benefit to my life other then the ammusement of this conversation. I think your mistaken in realizing who the Social Giant is here. Sure more people visit Google everyday but how many have Google+ accounts and how many new accounts are added everyday. From what i've read it seems like not very many. Only time will tell but can you honestly say from what you've seen so far that Google+ will over take Facebook? ehh. no. I don't want to connect with strangers to talk about the latest blog posts on issues like this and other things around the technology world. I think a lot of young people like me feel the same way. We want to talk to our friends about those issues because we care about what they think not about what someone 2000 miles away who's a so called "expert" cause they blog a lot about these issues has to say. "G+ you make new friends, based on your interests" for what purpose? new friends online.... great even more reason to sit at home and chat about things i'd rather just accomplish in real life + isn't this what Forum's are for?
 
To the man with a hammer, all problems look like a nail. Over the weekend several of us have been discussing MBTI and it occurred to me that Google+ is for NTs and Facebook is for SFs and NFs. Maybe that's why I don't see much crossover ever occurring. But I can apply a MBTI model over anything. So this is probably a huge oversimplification.

+Nick Brisson If you want to spend your time discussing things with your friends, that is excellent. And Facebook is your tool. Don't let anyone pressure you into following a trend. On the other hand, remember that some of us have different needs and interests. They are equally valid.

You last line "Isn't this what forum's are for?" makes me think. People are always asking, "So what is Google+ exactly?" I think you have the answer...it's like forums on steroids.
 
i'm happy that you found your place on facebook +Nick Brisson ... just like any other social network G+ is not for everybody ... i use FB only sporadically these days, because when i want to discuss things with my friends, i do it in person ... you see, we all have different expectations of what a social network should do for us and that is perfectly fine ...

on the subject of who is the giant, it is easier to be objective since we are talking about numbers rather than personal preferences and those are easier to nail down ... i never said google is the social giant, but that it is the giant ... two pair of shoes ... google as a company is by far bigger than FB and therefore is the giant ... you are right though to say, that it isn't the soial giant ... yet! ... which brings us to your next statement and your question ...

your assertion, that not many people add google accounts seems to be from entirely different sources than mine ... actually i tried to locate at least one article that states your point of view on the internet and couldn't find any! ... though not all of them believe, that G+ is the best invention since sliced bread, all of them seem to agree on one thing ... each and every article i can find on the subject states that google is the fastest growing network ever! ... which takes us straight to your question can you honestly say from what you've seen so far that google+ will over take facebook? ... if i have a car going faster than the one in front, will that car overtake the other one in time? ... if one network grows faster than the other, will it overtake the other one in time, especially given the huge amount of users google only has to convert into members? ...

but that's not the point anyway ... this has been turned into a facebook vs. google+ discussion again and those discussions are fruitless ... as we said, facebook and G+ have different purposes and therefore can't be compared ... you can't compare apples and pears ... G+ is not just a social network ... that is what facebook lovers still insist to be wrong about ... G+ is already so much more and will continue to grow into something that facebook can't even dream to achieve ... i like to call it the intergalactic google empire ... ;-) ... the question in my post was, is G+ a ghost town? ... no it is not! ... there is loads going on here but it is not for everybody (just like facebook isn't) ... as +M Sinclair Stevens said ... we all have different needs and interests ...

to me G+ never looks like work either ... i do thoroughly enjoy my engagement here ... i'm happy that you are happy at FB and i hope that you are equally happy, that i'm happy here ... ;-) ...
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