That was a really fun event with some fascinating ideas. I'm making notes and following up. I hope we can do this again.
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- Mike MessinkOwner+1Thanks so muchand for Hanging out!
Very lively, and thought provoking discussion :)Dec 20, 2012
- Christian GruberModerator+1I'm glad to have been invited. I wish more people had joined the active speakers, but I admit to some guilty delight to having a very small group discussion with two bright and wonderful collaborators. But please, let's get more people out there.Dec 20, 2012
- I really enjoyed tuning in, and will definitey join in in the future!Dec 20, 2012
- Dec 20, 2012
- Mike MessinkOwnerI will be adding the description and other notes tomorrow.
I am exhausted tonight.. :)Dec 20, 2012
- Christian GruberModeratorSadly, G+ messenger is only available on the mobile G+ clients as far as I know, and it's separate from GTalk, which is what you get on the "chat" window in G+ and GMail desktop web.Dec 20, 2012
- Christian GruberModerator+3By the way - I feel a bit bad for popping in late and not introducing myself at all, but I felt like the discussion was ongoing and I didn't see a good opportunity to un-awkwardly introduce myself, so I just left it.
For those who care, I'm Christian Gruber, and I work for Google as a software engineer on mostly open-source projects these days, but spent a good part of my career doing IT technical consulting and project work in the Finance sector with side-trips into the manufacturing, telco, and other sectors.
My background in austrian economic thinking is a long road through a principle religious left-ish, but decentralized view with a concern for a just society. Over time I shed the religious aspects, kept the small-group community development and alternate institutions development. I had always been fairly uncomfortable with central control and authority as a legitimate concept, and my assumption that the state must exist, and therefore we should control it for niceness instead of evil was my default, but a reluctant default position. Then I started reading books that questioned our nature as aggressive, pathologically violent animals, re-evaluated primatological evidence for inherent hierarchical modes of human interaction, and started to recognize that anarchic and grass-root self-organization may actually be an evolutionary strength.
Then I met a full-on voluntaryist nearly two years ago and she helped me recognize that the state was not a given, it was an unnecessary social construct... and helped me get past the mistaken belief that the state can be controlled. Between conversations with her, reading the first 10 chapters of Human Action, Bastiat and massive re-interpretation of my intellectual frame, I realized that far from being our friend, the state is the enemy of those very things I sought - a fair opportunity for the little guy. Since then it's been over a year of podcasts and treatises and articles and discussions and honing my thinking, understanding more and more how voluntary, mutual beneficial exchange between acting humans constitutes the very core of the kind of diverse, active, exploratory, opportunity-rich, opt-in society I want for everyone.
Sorry - that went longer than I intended, but that's the expurgated version. :DDec 20, 2012