* Is University of Florida choosing football over science? *
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- http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/devin.pope/research/pdf/Final_SEJ_Paper.pdf and I'm not entirely convinced it conveys the message you were intending. In fact they specifically state on more than one occasion that "Whether or not the expenditures required to receive these indirect benefits promote efficiency in education is certainly not determined in the present analysis". Oh and it's kind of a pain to have to dig through 45 pages of your "evidence" to find out that it has nothing to do with your argument.I read the link you postedApr 23, 2012
- "Coach's salary is determined by how much money his team generates, instead of how much money the academic department is in short of. It's just simple like that"
That statement is patently untrue. As I pointed out to you there are only a handful of profitable athletic programs in the country. If most programs are losing money (or rather, being subsidized by student tuition) how are coach's making anything at all?Apr 23, 2012
- You are grossly misinformed about how college football coaches are paid. Only a small fraction of football coachess salaries are paid by the AD. The vast majority is paid by private boosters and contracts for things like speaking engagements and endorsement deals.
Let me set a very simple example. You can easily check how much did Nick Saban get paid from UA, out of his 4+ million income.Apr 23, 2012
- Ah, you mean this contract:
That states the in 2012 the University would pay him "$3,975,000" for "rendition of personal services", plus a measly $275,000 for coaching, plus incentives for winning (why he needs that I don't know, thought his job was to win) 50,000 dollars just for having a dismal grauduation rate (even by SEC standards). Then on top of that he can get paid for his own endorsements, books, a speaking fees. Now, he may be getting paid out of the athletics budget which is supported by advertising and ticket sales but then again Alabama is one of those rare cases where the program actually turns a profit. But even in 2011 nearly five million dollars of the athletics budget came from allocated revenue. Guess where allocated revenue comes from. If you use the NCAA's information they state that allocated revenue "comes from student fees directly allocated to athletics, direct and indirect institutional support, and direct government support." So students and tax payers are on the hook for a successful athletic program. What does it look like at schools that don't have successful programs?Apr 23, 2012
- I know it's gone too far away from the topic, but I guess I can still kind of elaborate on how football, in my mind, bring more benefit to university than what most people think, and why calling out UF football is nonsense.
1 First of all, the advertisement university get from football is not included in dollars measured in AD budget at all. Football games are broadcasted by many of most watched networks, like ESPN, ABC, CBS, etc. This advertising potential is very apparent both historically and in the present.
For example, when George Denny took over as president of the University of Alabama in 1912, there were only 652 students. Denny used Alabama’s triumphs in the Rose Bowl to help grow the University to over 5,000 when he retired in 1936, or 11 times the number of students at the university when he arrived, and he also increased the faculty by a factor of almost six.
A 1994 poll taken at Alabama (and broadcast during the Georgia game) showed the football team was a major contributing factor in 74% of the students decision to attend the university.
Another example, TCU, which has only 4,500 students applied in 2000, experienced a record number applicants in 2011, which is 19000, because of heightened national recognition due to TCU's football victory.
2 Every university needs various sporting events to attract students, or in another way, to offer better education quality to students. While sporting events are very expensive affairs, football programs across the country allow these events to take place becuase of revenue provided by the football team. Without the funding provided by the football team, these other sports will probably take funding away from education, which is what you guys are fearing here.
3 Back to topic a little bit. UF's athletic department is funded by a separate, non-profit organization called The University of Florida Athletic Association. Their $2 million increase is unrelated to the university's actions involving the computer science department. UF football team is a net profit producer and supports other non-profitable sports. They have more than $6 millions incoming in last year in the whole AD, so what's wrong with $2 million AD budget increase here?
Again, I have no interesting arguing over "whether a football team is good for university or not". It's a far more complex topic than I can handle and more importantly, It's not my call, and I guess people made their choice already. I'm saying that the title of this article, and this post, are both misleading, and not true at all. If you disagree, show how UF football team affect the destiny of its CS department.Apr 23, 2012
- There was a question mark in the title Is University of Florida choosing football over science?. I agree that I do not know much on the running of US universities, but what I observe from outside is that the reputation of these (and other) universities may become more based on the international success of their distance learning programs than on their football and sport activities. We are observing a trend to move from on-site teaching activities to on-line learning. When we observe some remote lectures offered by some well-known universities with several thousand attendants, we can imagine that the contribution to the reputation of the universities may be shifting from campus-based sport success to the influence of their distance learning programs (measured by their e-reputation) and to the successes of their research teams (measured by their influential papers, tools and other discoveries).Apr 24, 2012